Epcot: Finally feeling the love?

BigNorm

Member
Original Poster
In the last twenty-one years, Epcot has gone from Disney's vision of a World's Fair type park to an out-dated vision of tomorrow to what now seems to be a somewhat thriving theme, almost thrill, park, based on the successes of Test Track and Mission:SPACE. So where do we go from here? We're getting our very own version of Soarin', awesome, and the possibility of a Nemo rehab of The Living Seas, long over due. Plus there are still other rumours of other Project Gemini, this is a "I'll believe it when I see it" situation, floating around the internet. So is Epcot finally feeling the Disney love? If so, with Future World getting all these new, supposedly great attractions, when will World Showcase get some love? Share your thoughts.
 

DisneyFan 2000

Well-Known Member
This isn't love to me, just a cheaper way to go! (excluding M:S and TT)...

Soarin' over California? Hello, we are visiting Florida *hint*! It should have been placed at the American pavilion!

Nemo???? Belongs at MGM/DAK/MK! Epcot is unique!

And the whole theme change is plainly being cheap! You heard me Eisner! CHEAP!!!!!!!!!
:fork: :fork: :fork:

Will someone please kick him out? Roy?

Next thing we know it'll be a good idea to put California Screamin' at Epcot because it's close to Boardwalk! :fork: :fork: :fork: :fork:
 

General Grizz

New Member
As far as I know, look for these changes:

(1) Wonders of Life to sit empty for a few years
(2) Spaceship Earth to exist a few more years before an extensive Rehab
(3) A new thrill ride between the Living Seas and The Land
(4) Finding Nemo to be splattered all over the Living Seas
(5) A ride to be dropped on the Land from DCA (Soarin')

Progressively, EPCOT has become weaker and weaker. I mean, compare the World of Motion to Test Track, for example.

"Motion" was detailed (and no, not random props everywhere - true detail and artistry). It was a comedy, yet a history lesson - and it spoke Disney. Now, a quick thrill ride about testing cars replaced the attraction. (1) What does this have to do with Future World? (2) The post-show is filled with modern-day ads, and the theme music is "Like a Rock?!" EPCOT is a Disney park and should live up to Disney standards. Compare the dozens of takes of Fun to be Free and compare it to the large clashing and banging of Test Track, with little educational worth.

Test Track paved the way for the future EPCOT: a dismantled park of random subjects. OK. A whole new major attraction about flying over California. Right.

This pavilion right here shows Disney's abandonment of pure quality attractions. They just don't care. Their goal is strictly to bring in the guests with a "brand new attraction" - the focus on originality and park support has gone down the drain with current Disney management.

All they can see is green. (Money, that is. And, who knows. That may support the rumor of adding trees everywhere!)

Most of these ideas were outlined in Jim Hill's (credible, but changing) map for Gemini. Those plans were real and truly discussed by Walt Disney Imagineering. Luckily, many of them (Rainforest Rollercoaster or Junior Autopia) seem to have been dropped.

Still, the future is slowly being taken away from the park. Why? Because Disney doesn't want to spend the money to update it.

Look at the Imagination pavilion. How is this a Disney memorable classic? A new attraction with zero wait and lame cutbacks. This is symbolic of EPCOT's new image - weak and cutting back. Where did the sets go? Where did the animatronics go?

We've lost show. We've lost heart.

I'm all for changing EPCOT. But, unfortunately, it seems to me that with random, cheap budgets, there will be no more "Future World" worth note. A random mess called "Discoveryland" seems to be in the works.
 

CTXRover

Well-Known Member
I am not a fan of Nemo "taking over" the Living Seas. Placing the character somewhere in there tastefully while keeping the whole Sea Base alpha thing is ok, but I just hope it doesn't become too Nemo oriented.

I am a fan of Soarin' coming to the Land though even with its CA theme. Why? Because it is not removing a major attraction to do so but will rather be a great addition to the pavilion. (Yes, food rocks will go, but it isn't that big of a loss, cute show, KK was better, but not something to make me come to Epcot for). Also, CA has one of the most diverse landscapes in America and they could have easily disguised the CA part from people who didn't know. However, I am surprised they are actually keeping the CA name.

As for TT and MS. I think these are perfect new pavilions. WOM and Horizons were also perfect pavilions and I wish they were still there. I think TT is just as educational as WOM but not so "pushy" in its education, if that makes sense, and why I think TT is a much more popular pavilion among most guests. I wish TT had the detailed sets and props WOM had, but TT is one of my family's favorites even though it replaced my parent's favorite ride, WOM. So I'm happy with the replacement.

As for WOL closing, I've said it before, good riddance. The pavilion is so outdated in its look and scope that it is almost embarrassing to keep it open even seasonally. It would be better to completely re-do it, but Disney doesn't have an unlimited wallet despite what some might think. With the millions upon millions being spent resort-wide right now, WOL will have to wait. If they were just closing it and nothing new was being built anywhere, then I'd be more upset. But each park is getting a new "E-ticket" attraction (Stitch may or may not meet this requirement though).

I am also a fan of Discoveryland over Future World. Why? Because it is near impossible for a theme park that builds multi-million dollar attractions to have them become outdated in 3-5 years and need a re-haul. It is foolish from a financial point of view and a guest/fan point of view since it never allows time for the attractions to gain a fan base and word of mouth. To me, Epcot has always been more about Discovery of both technologies and the world and less about the future. From what I remember, WOM concentrated more on the past and history of transportation and less on the future of transportation. Horizons was probably the only pavilion that really fit the Future World theme to a T, but as a Simpson's episode once poked fun at, it was like "the future of the 80's as people saw it in the 70's " :lol: (or something to that effect). Don't get me wrong I loved Horizons and could never go to Disney without riding it, but it needed to be updated too often to stay with the future theme. TT, MS, LS, Land, Energy, etc. really are more about discovery than the future anyways.

Imagination! is a disaster and I still wonder what Imagineers thought when they decided to gut the original ride. What was the incentive? What was their purpose? Why did they think the second version would be better? The most recent is ok, but again nothing to make me come to Epcot for. I do it if there is time, but I'm not running over there to do it like I was with the old Imagination theme.

I think Epcot is still trying to identify itself after 21 years. That worries me that a theme park that is so wonderful still can't seem to get into its groove. Is it a theme park, is it a world's fair, is it a textbook turned into three-dimensional world, etc? Combining WS and FW under one term: Discovery has helped, but there are still those who think Epcot is a "boring" park, believe it or not. But even ads all the way up here in PA for MS has got some of my classmates talking about Epcot and I think the park is taking a turn to be more "hip".
 

imagineer boy

Well-Known Member
Grizz, test track does fit Future World's theme. Which is about innovation and technology to make a better tomorrow. Which Test Track is like. It shows how cars are tested and improved to provide better transportation in the future.

I hope we don't get Soarin Over California! Have somthing like Soarin over the world instead! Nemo does not belong in the living seas. Even though he is a fish, it does not fit the theme of Future world!!!!! The Living seas is about preserving the oceans and making a better enviroment for the creatures of the sea using new technology to help us in our quest, not disney characters!!!!! And one more thing: Don't keep WoL closed for an indefinate time disney! do somthing with it!!!! Come on!!!
 

General Grizz

New Member
Originally posted by imagineer boy
Grizz, test track does fit Future World's theme. Which is about innovation and technology to make a better tomorrow. Which Test Track is like. It shows how cars are tested and improved to provide better transportation in the future.

The fact: Testing cars enhances the future.

Where is this even discussed in the attraction?

And even if it is mentioned, it cannot be compared to the vision of the future that was in World of Motion. I mean, future cars, future cities. That's the future. That's the inspiration AND imagination.

Test Track shows us where we are. World of Motion showed us where we were, where we are, and where we are going.

(And, yes, Soarin' over California is on its way. )
 

CTXRover

Well-Known Member
Originally posted by grizzlyhall
The fact: Testing cars enhances the future.

Where is this even discussed in the attraction?

Why does something have to be obvious for it to be educational? I don't think TT really shows how testing cars enhances the distant future anywhere anyhow, but to say TT is not educational seems far-fetched. The educational level is mixed in with the ride more than WOM was. In WOM some felt like the educational aspect was being spoon-fed to them. That doesn't mean it wasn't good, its just that a lot of people didn't want to come to a theme park and be educated. I always compare WOM to Pirates. Both were/are beautiful, detailed dark rides. But why does Pirates survive to become so popular among generation after generation? Its because it is fun, its meant to be fun and adventurous and to get you out of the real world. WOM was like a 3 dimensional textbook that some loved (like me) but others found boring, unfortunately, since they saw it as just about education and not the fun and adventure that Pirates is.

Now TT comes along and educates people without them even realizing it, like you grizz, if you know what I mean. I'm sure there are a lot of people who don't know what their cars (or at least prototypes of their cars) go through before they ever drive them. TT teaches us that. It teaches us what types of tests are run, the pre-show tells us why those tests are run and the queue shows us many other tests. It isn't future-oriented, but it is quite educational and yet another reason why I could see why some Imagineers have considered the name change to Discoveryland from Future World.
 

General Grizz

New Member
CTXRover, you hold some very good beliefs - and there IS an educational component to Test Track. But, although it's not spoon-fed, the education that DOES exist is different and far less valuable.

In essence, Motion was chopped up, and only cars were kept.

If World of Motion could be more like Pirates, for example, with less spoon-feeding, that would be welcomed with an additional Test Track addition with the Transcenter, a VERY strong pavilion - if not "the ideal pavilion" - would exist in EPCOT.

There is just a difference in quality . . . in catering - and it repeats itself over and over (Horizons/Imagination/Kitchen Kabaret - and now possibly Spaceship Earth). In 1995, I could not imagine such a transition from a "home" pavilion of beauty to a greasy, noisy pavilion. But that became a reality.

The reason I'm not too nervous about Nemo concerns the fact that the main pavilion will remain intact with the same theme.
 

CTXRover

Well-Known Member
Originally posted by grizzlyhall
CTXRover, you hold some very good beliefs - and there IS an educational component to Test Track. But, although it's not spoon-fed, the education that DOES exist is different and far less valuable.

The reason I'm not too nervous about Nemo concerns the fact that the main pavilion will remain intact with the same theme.

I can definetely agree with you on the overall quality of the two attractions. WOM had more quiality and prestige than TT does, but I think TT overcomes that with its excitement and its level of fun. I think we can all agree that both are quite different and both have their strengths and weaknesses, but I guess it comes down to what was better for Epcot. For theme, probably WOM. For quality, probably WOM. For getting people to come to Epcot: probably TT. For getting people to go home and talk about Epcot and encourage friends/family to go there: probably TT. For adding energy to Epcot: TT. It makes it seem like TT was built on the motivation of getting people in Epcot for $$$. But it is also just as, if not more, likely that TT was built to help Epcot find itself and separate it from the notion that it was a "boring" park.

Well, I'm glad to hear about Nemo not taking over the whole pavilion. Ever since I first heard this I was worried. LS is a wonderful pavilion. I love the whole theme of sea-base alpha and I didn't want it turning into us going underwater with Nemo or something and losing the whole research aspect of the pavilion. LS needs something to energize it and Nemo might just do it as long as they keep his level of presence in the pavilion to a tasteful level. Do you have any idea just how much Nemo will be involved? Possibly just in the video before going down to Sea base alpha?
 

General Grizz

New Member
I didn't mean it was going to be light - Nemo isn't going to be sprinkled. . . it'll be more like. . . the Nemo attraction (ala Ellen).

First, hints of Nemo will be added around the pavilion. And merchandise. Small little bits and pieces. Phase two will include changing the preshows. Phase three will involve changing all of those films (which no one really knows about :lol: ) and perhaps images added around the different exhibits.

At least, that's what I've heard.
 

CTXRover

Well-Known Member
Originally posted by grizzlyhall
I didn't mean it was going to be light - Nemo isn't going to be sprinkled. . . it'll be more like. . . the Nemo attraction (ala Ellen).

First, hints of Nemo will be added around the pavilion. And merchandise. Small little bits and pieces. Phase two will include changing the preshows. Phase three will involve changing all of those films (which no one really knows about :lol: ) and perhaps images added around the different exhibits.

At least, that's what I've heard.

Oh, well, I guess I will just have to wait. I thought the Ellen change was good, but I hope it doesn't seem like Nemo "invaded" the LS. Having him in the pre-shows is cool. Kids will listen more to Nemo about the ocean then anyone else. Heck, I might even be more inclined to pay attention :lookaroun :lol: I'll keep my fingers crossed that it is a tasteful addition. If you're not to worried grizz, I'm not too worried. I've been around here long enough to know how you feel about theme, show, quality, etc. at Disney, so your opinion matters alot ;)
 

General Grizz

New Member
LMAO! Thanks! :lol:

I'm not worried because. . .

  • Compared to what I've seen (JII/TT/etc), this doesn't seem as bad (immunity!)
  • Finding Nemo isn't obnoxious (unlike Tiki Room rehab)
  • The basis for the attraction will remain (ala Energy)

I'll be sad if the flavor is lost, but compared to other things I've heard about Future World's future, this is MUCH more welcome.
 

Expo_Seeker40

Well-Known Member
One of the problems I have with Epcot right now, is its name. It's supposed to be EPCOT, but since it was never going to be the actual city, it should have been EPCOT Center, meaning the center of the EPCOT imagination in a world's fair setting. EPCOT Center "EC" has destroyed the meaning of a world's fair. It was so much better in the 80s, reason being, world's fairs are meant to only last for one to two years, so you don't have to worry about the changes over the decades. The idea of a world's fair has now either confused the public, or given the wrong impression to the younger generation that a world's fair is just about a few "cool" rides, and the rest a boring education. Not the case with any world's fair. There was already Expo 2000, and now there's going to be Expo 2005, so world's fairs are not at all a by gone era.

"EC" should always have Future World and World Showcase. Eisner has created such a hole in "EC" that it feels we need to scrap Future World for Discovery Land. Not the case. What needs to be done at "EC" is go through all the current rides and attractions and figure out how the public sees them fit. I think there should be a World of Motion. If they could have done it right, they should have reworked the original transportation attraction which could be used for small children, families, and others who don't want to, can't, or have already been on Test Track. So while it would be the World of Motion Pavilion, it would have one ride: Test Track, and one attraction: Transportation. They should also bring back the icon symbols for the original pavilions, and create new ones for the new pavilions. Remember those?

Horizons was a mistake. The only thing that was outdated was the color scheme and certain 80s vision of the future. That could easily have been fixed. Oops nope guess not, now that it's gone. They could have saved the pavilion, atleast the front. Gutted out the back and inside and give it a new paint job and features, but nope they didn't. So now we only have a mission space ride.

You probably get my "jist". As far as the land pavilion goes, call it the land pavilion, give it it's icon symbolm repaint and give the place better features, the ride should be soaring over florida, it's just a lame marketing scheme to ake people travel to disneyland, and the attracion would be living with the land.

In all, rename the place EPCOT Center, repaint and give the current features of today without completely destorying the pavilions, but saying goodbye to 1981. Rework how your pavilions will work, one intense ride, one mild attraction. Oh and take that damn wand and arm off of Space Ship Eart, it could be torched and burned to ashes in some illuminations show. EPCOT Center has so much potential, and needs so much improvement right now that it is currently going down the wrong path. It can be retained with very familiar looks it had when it first opened up, and yet it can easily appeal to today's standards without destorying the original intentions.

P.S. Notice how the original model of EPCOT is sitting in a 5 second ride by in the tomorrowland transit authority, I guess Eisner forgot about it, or didn't care about the history and intentions of EPCOT.
 

DanMan

New Member
I love the changes Epcot is making. Each decision thus far has been a move in a positive direction.
First of all, a continued topic in this thread revolves around quality. Have you been inside Mission Space? That whole pavillion, inside and out, is beautiful. So is Test Track. Both are such innovative ways to present the intended themes. I think they are great.
Soarin' will be awesome. Whether its over California or where ever, who cares? It will be an exciting ride that will lure people to that side of the park. I will miss Food Rocks, but, Soarin' will be soooo much better.
Concerning Nemo? There should be no problem with that either. Do you guys have a problem with Simba in the Land? There, a character is not the overwhelming theme, yet adds to the presentation and understanding. Don't forget, Epcot is not only about education, its also about fun. Maybe that's why I love Ellen in the Universe of Energy. She is sooo hilarious! Anyways, if Nemo is put in, he will be used as a guiding force for the pavillion, just like Simba.
So, plant more trees, put in the Rainforest Rollercoaster, shut down wonders of life, gut Spaceship Earth, and rename futureworld "Discoveryland". Times are changing and its about time. Epcot is my favorite park, but lets be honest. It has lost steam, alot of it actually. It has to be appealing to everyone, not just the "old-schoolers." You guys have to be willing to bend a little. A new generation is emerging and they need a fun park to go to too. Its kind of disappointing to see old favorites go, but its time to move on.

By the way, I may as well put the final nail in my coffin and say that I love the new Imagination Ride too!:lol: :sohappy:
 

DisneyFan 2000

Well-Known Member
Anyone notice Soarin' is Epcots first big clone? :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

And I thought at least Epcot was safe!

Cancel Project Gemini!!! PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :zipit: :cry:
 

General Grizz

New Member
Heh. It's funny you say "first." ;)

Yes! Let's gut Spaceship Earth...and do anything with it! :lookaroun

Here's a letter that was sent to me in my PM Box:

As a regular EPCOT guest for over a decade, I have long been enthused by the positive potential of the future and the creation of innovative solutions to our everyday problems. Through fun, enlightening and heartwarming experiences which always manage to reflect the times, EPCOT has even helped shape my own future aspirations; the vibrant Wonders of Life exhibits and the agricultural laboratories of The Land have, in a uniquely Disney way, inspired me to pursue bioengineering as a rising college student. This noble tradition appears to be continuing with the eye-opening Mission: SPACE, which I have had the privilege to preview, and The Land’s own promising version of “Soarin’ Over California,” which could convey the delicate relationship between man and earth while providing sweeping vistas of our terrain.

To continue showcasing first-hand encounters with the future is an exciting, but by no means easy, task. I have gradually learned about plans to revitalize the park under “Project Gemini”; although aimed to boost attendance and awaken more guests to EPCOT’s message, I fear that some of these changes will encroach upon the park’s core values. Spaceship Earth has long stood as EPCOT’s flagship attraction, inviting us to examine our roots as a dynamic people before propelling us into the creative branches of EPCOT. The painstaking research process is evident in the ride’s historical, artistic, and sensory detail, as well as in the use of Audio-Animatronics to immerse guests in a three-dimensional, deeply moving tale. According to journalist Edward Prizer, “You are there, living, with the animated seamen and scholars, [witnessing] this crucial chapter in the drama that made the world of today what it is.” This attraction, featuring the highest Disney standards of showmanship, has served as EPCOT’s “prologue” with dignity. And though it needs updating, I am concerned about a replacement ride which relies on less compelling means of storytelling, possibly implementing screen technology in the stead of intimate, Animatronic-based scenes. Spaceship Earth is the last ride-through of its breed, and I hope that any new attraction will stir just as many heart-strings and inspire more guests to “chart our earth’s course to tomorrow and determine our destinies.”

Like Spaceship Earth, all EPCOT attractions have demonstrated concern for technological uniqueness and progress, the inspiration of park guests, and harmony with the surrounding environment. Keeping these values in mind, I am disturbed that a themed roller coaster may be erected on Future World West. Such a ride would attract thrill-seekers, but it would contribute little to the integrity of a park which stands a head above the others in its mission. As a part of The Land, this ride would dilute the messages long conveyed by the pavilion, as well as take away from the area’s beauty and dignity. Future World showcases a high quality of life, conveyed in its pensive, serene atmosphere and ingrained simplicity, something futuristic in its own right. An outdoor roller coaster would disturb these ideals. By breaking up the buildings that form Innoventions Plaza, the park would become even more complex and stray further from its traditions.

I have also sensed that EPCOT’s greatest tradition, showcasing visions of an achievable future, has been fading from the park. EPCOT’s founding purpose, as well as Walt Disney’s vision for his innovative community, focused on the sharing of advanced ideas and the display of idealistic visions for ourselves and our world. These visions should lie just beyond our reach; yet, with an enhanced awareness of the roots of human progress, guests would be inspired to carry these ideals into the working world. The questions about living in space which the warm, welcoming Horizons raised do not find their due place in the rather cold Mission: SPACE; and many other pavilions no longer pose the questions, “What can we aspire to?” or “How can we bring about positive change in our lives?” With the technology available in today’s theme park industry, EPCOT could continue to revolutionize our hopes and dreams for domestic and working life. Yet the transition of Future World to “Discoveryland” would only confirm the loss of this vital thread of EPCOT’s mission.

It is a difficult, demanding job to herald the coming era in EPCOT. It requires imagination, genuine heart, and even sheer genius to create the enchanting songs, endearing characters, and captivating stories which communicate EPCOT’s message to all of humanity. It takes a shrewd sense of humor to revitalize the lighthearted, yet informative Life and Health pavilion, a feat more daunting than shutting the pavilion for good. And it takes great vision and spirit to maintain the delightfully indescribable feeling and optimistic mindset that guests experience before leaving the turnstiles at the end of the day. This quality has earned EPCOT the top slot on Consumer Reports’ guest satisfaction report, testifying to a sense of fulfillment far outlasting and more deeply penetrating than the jolts and whizzes of a theme park thrill. I trust that Walt Disney Imagineering and EPCOT Management will rise to these challenges and continue in the grand EPCOT tradition, achieving something far greater than change or modernization: genuine progress.
 

Lee

Adventurer
I don't know why, but I always find myself sucked into this topic.
Random thoughts:

I'm sort of on the middle ground about Epcot. I am all for the changing of Future World into Discoveryland, so long as the changes are done with quality, by which I of course mean that they are given the proper budgets with which to deliver an improved pavillion. For example, a Mission:SPACE makeover, not an Imagination! makeover.

Both Horizons and World of Motion left for good reasons. The sponsor of WoM wanted a change, and Horizons had major structural problems. Both pavillions have seen an increase in attendance since their changes....unlike Imagination. I can honestly say I have visited both pavillions many times both before and after their changes...and I am perfectly happy with their current state.

I am totally against a heavy educational theme for Future World, I simply have no interest in that. What works for me is a fun sort of look at progress, innovation, and possibly the future. Picture Paris' Discoveryland. That sort of vibe. They learned their lesson with Tomorrowland. The future simply won't work as a theme.

-Soarin....I love it. Perfect move.
-Rainforest coaster...not happening in that form.
-Nemo at Living Seas...can't hurt. The pavillion as it stands is a
total disaster, although moderation will be the key. I like the
Ellen comparison.
-Wonders of Life...same as Seas. I can not support closing it
down without immediately getting to work on a replacement.
Closed attractions are serious bad show. Look at DL.
-Spaceship Earth...hurting for an update to it's show, ride system,
and AAs. Give it a few years.

As for the satisfaction rating for Epcot...it's misleading. A vast majority of the positive comments concern World Showcase, not Future World. The people with the highest satisfaction are adults who like World Showcase. It gets much lower ratings from kids and teens. It's the opposite with the MK, where kids and teens rate it very high, and adults less so.

God, I'm tired of rambling.
I should have just said "Give me Gemini"....sort of.
 

imagineer boy

Well-Known Member
Originally posted by Lee
I don't know why, but I always find myself sucked into this topic.
Random thoughts:

I'm sort of on the middle ground about Epcot. I am all for the changing of Future World into Discoveryland, so long as the changes are done with quality, by which I of course mean that they are given the proper budgets with which to deliver an improved pavillion. For example, a Mission:SPACE makeover, not an Imagination! makeover.

Both Horizons and World of Motion left for good reasons. The sponsor of WoM wanted a change, and Horizons had major structural problems. Both pavillions have seen an increase in attendance since their changes....unlike Imagination. I can honestly say I have visited both pavillions many times both before and after their changes...and I am perfectly happy with their current state.

I am totally against a heavy educational theme for Future World, I simply have no interest in that. What works for me is a fun sort of look at progress, innovation, and possibly the future. Picture Paris' Discoveryland. That sort of vibe. They learned their lesson with Tomorrowland. The future simply won't work as a theme.

-Soarin....I love it. Perfect move.
-Rainforest coaster...not happening in that form.
-Nemo at Living Seas...can't hurt. The pavillion as it stands is a
total disaster, although moderation will be the key. I like the
Ellen comparison.
-Wonders of Life...same as Seas. I can not support closing it
down without immediately getting to work on a replacement.
Closed attractions are serious bad show. Look at DL.
-Spaceship Earth...hurting for an update to it's show, ride system,
and AAs. Give it a few years.

As for the satisfaction rating for Epcot...it's misleading. A vast majority of the positive comments concern World Showcase, not Future World. The people with the highest satisfaction are adults who like World Showcase. It gets much lower ratings from kids and teens. It's the opposite with the MK, where kids and teens rate it very high, and adults less so.

God, I'm tired of rambling.
I should have just said "Give me Gemini"....sort of.

Very well put! Great Ideas and thoughts!:wave: Although, I'd rather see Discovery World, not Discoveryland.
 

Maria

New Member
Originally posted by BigNorm
So is Epcot finally feeling the Disney love? If so, with Future World getting all these new, supposedly great attractions, when will World Showcase get some love? Share your thoughts.


I agree - when is WSC going to get more publicity? I hate when people say that WSC is boring, but it has a lot to do with the publicity made about it. We read a lot about FW and not about the rest of the park which is beautiful too and has a lot to offer.

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I would hate to see Nemo in The Living Seas! I am not fond of having movie characters into attractions, of course, if the attraction is not about the movie.


EDIT.- on the other hand... I just read Lee´s comment about it and it could be true... the pavillion is almost dead now and Nemo could probably bring some life to it... I guess I will have to get used to Nemo as the new "fish" character. :animwink:
 

DonaldDuck

Member
I don't really mind any of these changes, except about Spaceship Earth. I would hate to see it gutted and completely gone. It's one of Epcot's last original rides. I go on the ride every time I visit Epcot, and I just absolutely love it. Sure it's slow, but not every ride can be fast. If the ride was taken out of SSE, only a few dark rides would be left in Epcot. Plus, I don't really know if SSE could handle another type of ride. A coaster might be difficult since SSE doesn't have a large amount of supports touching the ground.

:xmas:
 

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