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Electric Vehicle charging at Walt Disney World

ddrongowski

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Just a question, do you work on your own vehicles? I am only asking because I have been working on automobiles since 1978 and have fixed everything from A to Z on a car, including transmissions. This picture you references is not really how it works as the diff would get messed up real fast. But it is a neat picture, just overly simplified for the masses.
 

ddrongowski

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Yes, it is one part of many in some automatic transmissions. But compare the Volt's single gear set with a typical automatic transmission and all its parts, that slide, move connect and disconnect, etc:
http://www.repair-transmission.com/automatic_transmission_diagram.html
Where is the sliding part in that picture. Could you tell me what number(s) show the sliding parts?

Now if you taking a manual transmission, yes there parts.







good visual for those whom want to really know around the 1:15 mark

 
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reptar77

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I have contacting disney about this before. They do not intend on installing charging stations at this time. The Hyatt Regency near downtown disney does have a charging station. I think this is only for their guests. I believe there in another resort on property but I cant remember the name.
 

flynnibus

Premium Member
I spent a couple of years managing a Jiffy Lube so I am intimately familiar the maintenance schedules listed in owners manuals. The recommendations typically list the oh so ambiguous "normal conditions". "Normal conditions" only really exist in a lab and are almost impossible to apply to any real world driving. That being said, the 3k recommendation is overkill for 95% of the cars out there. Most cars under most conditions can go around 6k between oil changes on conventional oil without any problem. However, once you start hauling a trailer, all bets are off. Towing even a small trailer kills your average vehicle. Live on a dirt road....better buy a K&N filter because you are going to be cleaning or changing that sucker every 2 months.

My Pony's manual actually doesn't give a milage but refers you to the engine management computer. Kind of crazy from a guidance point of view.. but that's what they do :) The computer 'calculates' a remaining oil life based on usage.. presumably more than just milage too.
 

flynnibus

Premium Member
It's a planetary gear set. Look it up, that is NOT a transmission. A transmission shifts to different gear teeth to get different drive ratios to handling different amounts of torque and speed - a planetary gear set does not, and does not incur the complexity and wear that a transmission does.

And just because you are ignorant about the Volt and I'm informing you, does not mean I'm the one "sold on the pitch". Rather it sounds like you've been subliminally sold on the "pitch" (tar, oil, get it?:)) by Big Petroleum controlled media interests...scary, isn't it?

blah blah blah. Yes, the car doesn't use different gear ratios.. but if you want to subscribe to the idea that isn't a transmission or gearbox because it only has a fixed ratio.. more power to you. The rest of us engineers will continue in our world.
 

Master Yoda

Pro Star Wars geek.
Premium Member
My Pony's manual actually doesn't give a milage but refers you to the engine management computer. Kind of crazy from a guidance point of view.. but that's what they do :) The computer 'calculates' a remaining oil life based on usage.. presumably more than just milage too.
The real determining factor most of the wearable components in oil is actually a factor engine running time and engine stress. Millage is simply and easy metric to measure. Theoretically, a modern day car computer could calculate all of that quite accurately and give you a true oil life reading although I would suspect that the calculation would be rather conservative to avoid any liability on the manufacturer.
 

matt9112

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I don't think there are any premiums, at least with a good dealer. I negotiated mine to below the sticker price.

No doubt a Cruze would save you money on gas over your mini-van, and cost less to buy than a Volt (but not less to fuel and maintain!) But a Cruze is not a comparable vehicle to a Volt in terms of performance, handling, ride, and tech features, so you pay less and get "less". Some things are priceless, like driving past a gas station in bad weather or a dangerous neighborhood at night because you've got plenty of charge.



Few people need a Level 2 charger for a Volt. I didn't get one for home, and don't use one at work. After almost a year and a half, I still see no use for one. Just regular outlets. I commute 68 miles round trip, no gas. I charge at night from when I arrive home at the SLOWER 8 amp rate and usually done charging by ~3 AM. At work I charger at the faster rate from 8 AM and it's done around 2 pm. I arrive to work/home with 15-20 miles range left, so my Volt has an estimated battery range of ~50+ miles.

On longer trips and vacations (150 to 500+miles) I have gotten between 191 and 69 miles per gallon, just by plugging in overnight at the hotel/motel or using the occasional Level 2 station.

Or just drive it like a regular car, only charge overnight at home, and you'll still be amazing at the savings and mpg.

You don't typically use all the battery in your Volt before recharging, unless you have a mega-commute, so the ~9 hour charge time is exaggerated worst case. You always keep it plugged in when at home, top it off like a cell phone. Just doing that, it's not hard to do 60,70 or more miles in a day all EV, especially in your climate (I live in hilly chilly New England!), more if you happen to run in to a Level Charging station while out.

Your electric bill may go up ~$30-35 a month, per 1000 miles a month. Yes, that's really cheap, 3 to 5 times cheaper than gas.

You sure you don't work for GM? Sketchy
 

flynnibus

Premium Member
The real determining factor most of the wearable components in oil is actually a factor engine running time and engine stress. Millage is simply and easy metric to measure. Theoretically, a modern day car computer could calculate all of that quite accurately and give you a true oil life reading although I would suspect that the calculation would be rather conservative to avoid any liability on the manufacturer.

What is suprising is the lifecycle it estimates... close to 7k in my case. But the manual refers to the computer's calculation.. so you can't say I'm not following factory recommended service :) They use a syn-blend as the OE oil.
 

flynnibus

Premium Member
Um. Ok, carry on then. You're free to make up your own definitions of things from here on out. :)

"Webster defines transmission as an assembly of parts including the speed-changing gears...a type of gearbox that can be "shifted" to dynamically change the speed-torque ratio"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transmission_(mechanics)#Multi-ratio_systems

If you are going to quote wikipedia.. you should at least read the rest of the article and not just the one sentence you want. Enjoy your completely maintenance free car! :rolleyes:
 

matt9112

Well-Known Member
Sketchy how? What I have said that is sketchy? You are funny, but no, I don't work for GM. It's interesting how as soon as someone tries to correct faulty information about the Volt (and EVs in general), out pops an accusation of working for GM. Shows how strongly people have been programmed by anti-Volt propaganda into believe that the car just couldn't be so good that owners would love it like they do.

Here's my car:
http://www.voltstats.net/Stats/Details/1502
There reason my lifetime gas mileage is so "low" (~650 mpg) is because I just took a 400+ mile trip to Vermont, followed by a 500+ mile trip to New Hamphire, and then two more ~150 mile trips.

There are lots of others in the real world. Like this impressive one (just lost the "Most Driven" title though):
http://www.voltstats.net/Stats/Details/474
93k miles, 50% on battery (46k miles). Lifetime average of 70 miles per gallon.


The reason I jumped up and said that was the fact you only had 15 posts on the forum all of which seem to localize around a singular automobile....on a Disney website. Something a great screen will pick up. So you came on here to look at Disney stuff and saw something on your fav car.

Ps my 96 Honda civic got 50 on the highway with no battery in sight....I could drive from Atlanta to Daytona beach on a little over half a tank. But your right the car company that legally should not exist right now is the leader in innovation. Your right that the only thing that even makes the volt a conversation is a tax credit collection. So I get to pay for your dog and pony show with my tax bill whilst you feel better about the environment whilst the Chinese single handily offset your carbon footprint....simply cooking dinner. So I apologize if I don't buy into a car company that builds crap.....I mean really a ton of crap every car they make is bested by fords comparable the only exception might be pick up trucks.
 

Master Yoda

Pro Star Wars geek.
Premium Member
What is suprising is the lifecycle it estimates... close to 7k in my case. But the manual refers to the computer's calculation.. so you can't say I'm not following factory recommended service :) They use a syn-blend as the OE oil.
7k is not all that uncommon. Like I said earlier, the 3k/3 month recommendation is really overkill for most people. Mobil 1 has a oil that they claim 15k worth of life and Amsoil has one that claims 25k. Personally, I would never run an oil that far, but 7k is totally possible. Right now I run full synthetic in both my vehicles and we go about 5k-6k between changes.
 

thomas998

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It is very green (ironic that is the capitol for a state that tries to be as un-environmental as possible). Pretty much fights with Portland every year for the title "greenest city in the US".

The i3 is going to be a plugin hybrid similar to the Volt.

Well, I don't know if I would say it is green unless you subscribe to the limousine liberal version of being green. I've been there a bit on business, heard all sorts fanciful tales of how they are doing this or that... and yet I have never once heard of a single person giving up air conditioning in their home... I notice that in every place where I hear people talk to me about being green... It is always something to do because the media makes people think it is the right thing to do, but not once have I ever met a greenie that took to heart what they were talking about and given up air conditioners... And lets be honest air conditioners aren't a necessity, I grew up where summer temps were well above 100 and had friends and family that didn't have air conditioning.

As to putting in charging stations, I find that to be a silly waste of resources. Where I live there are super markets that have charging stations situated up near the store, never in my entire life have I ever seen a single person plug up to one... so why waste money on something no one would use? Wouldn't that be the opposite of being green?
 

Master Yoda

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Premium Member
Well, I don't know if I would say it is green unless you subscribe to the limousine liberal version of being green. I've been there a bit on business, heard all sorts fanciful tales of how they are doing this or that... and yet I have never once heard of a single person giving up air conditioning in their home... I notice that in every place where I hear people talk to me about being green... It is always something to do because the media makes people think it is the right thing to do, but not once have I ever met a greenie that took to heart what they were talking about and given up air conditioners... And lets be honest air conditioners aren't a necessity, I grew up where summer temps were well above 100 and had friends and family that didn't have air conditioning.

As to putting in charging stations, I find that to be a silly waste of resources. Where I live there are super markets that have charging stations situated up near the store, never in my entire life have I ever seen a single person plug up to one... so why waste money on something no one would use? Wouldn't that be the opposite of being green?
Aside from its energy use, what is so un-green about A/C?
 

thomas998

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Aside from its energy use, what is so un-green about A/C?

The energy use.... Of course there are also the refrigerants, and even though freon is being phased out the replacement for it may not damage the ozone, but it is a much worse greenhouse gas than CO2 as a tone of it is equal to nearly 12,000 tons of CO2... So yeah I would say there are reasons even beyond energy use that say A/C isn't green.
 

thomas998

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To motivate behavior you must make it viable. That means doing things before the demand is there.. if you want to stimulate the demand.
True. But until the local malls and shopping center put in charging stations there is no point in Disney being a first mover. They are a once or twice in a year destination for most people or even less... their having or not having a charging station will not impact demand.
 

Master Yoda

Pro Star Wars geek.
Premium Member
The energy use.... Of course there are also the refrigerants, and even though freon is being phased out the replacement for it may not damage the ozone, but it is a much worse greenhouse gas than CO2 as a tone of it is equal to nearly 12,000 tons of CO2... So yeah I would say there are reasons even beyond energy use that say A/C isn't green.
Correct, R134a is a pretty gnarly greenhouse gas, but it is also not supposed to be just released into the atmosphere. It is supposed to be reclaimed. In the same token sewage is incredibly harmful to the environment which is why we handle it properly.
 

wdwmagic

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True. But until the local malls and shopping center put in charging stations there is no point in Disney being a first mover. They are a once or twice in a year destination for most people or even less... their having or not having a charging station will not impact demand.
I just had a look at a few charging station maps and I see Florida Mall, Walgreens, Pointe Orlando all offering them. Disney would not be a first mover, although with Epcot and GM I think they should have been.
 

MichWolv

Born Modest. Wore Off.
Premium Member
Would be nice if Disney stepped up with charging stations. They can't be all that expensive, as seemingly every parking garage in downtown Chicago is installing them. It'd be a nice incentive, and a nice show, if Disney put a couple dozen charging stations toward the front of the lots of the theme parks. Not too hard to make something of an "exhibit" out of it as well, and it would fit in great with the theme of technology in Epcot, conservation in DAK, etc.

As for cost of electric vehicles, there are some pretty big incentives right now. In Illinois, I think the total incentive for a pure electric is $11,000 (combined federal and state). That covers a lot of the difference in price, but certainly not all.

Biggest problem for the non-hybrid version is range. Tesla is actually building a network of "quick-charge" station along major interstate highways that is designed to address that to some extent. The idea, as I understand it, is to build them at exits where you can pull off, plug in for 1/2 an hour while you get lunch and stretch your legs, and then hit the road for another 200 miles or so.
 

Mammymouse

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I would love a car that has no pollution output and is economical to run and I would love to have power for my house, etc. that has the same attributes. But our scientists have not found the magic to make that happen - yet. I don't see the electric car to be that car or solar panels to be that power. Neither come close to what fossil fuels can provide as far as easy functioning, convenience, durability and availability. And as much as I don't like rising gas and heating oil prices right now, they are still cheaper per gallon than milk, a pound of hamburger, chicken, pork chops, steak, fish, good ice cream, a large Starbucks coffee, a 24 pack of Poland Spring water............ And until that magic is discovered, which not even Disney Magic My Way has been able to implement, I plan on using gasoline powered vehicles and heating oil. The Power companies will be selling electricity no matter what and will be using fossil fuels or nuclear (although uranium scares the be-Jesus out of me) to power the controversial electric cars.
 

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