El Rio Del Tiempo vs Grand Fiesta

aladdin2007

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Prefer the original, and miss the original themesong. I wouldnt mind gran fiesta so much if they had properly kept the atmosphere. By that I mean the ride through in front of san angel is now lit with horrid flood lights, whos bright idea was that???? and the entrance tunnel no longer has the fog or black lit hieroglyphic walls, its nothing but empty and unfinished now all the way up and and you can see the whole room/ceiling thanks to the bright blaring cartoon, which can also be heard while dining in san angel by the way. Lousy on Imagineerings part. (Was this the same team that wrecked the SE descent?) And of course the tacky cheap stage in the last room with a cartoon on it, that part is the most lame for me. If they had gone about it in a better way I wouldnt mind as I love the three cabs. That final room now seems so small since they took away the mirrors on the left wall that use to double the fireworks on the ceiling. Also the plastic margarita glass in the night scene that you can get at any dollar store is about as low as Imagineering can go.
 
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FettFan

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Fun fact....El Rio was Joe Rohde's first project at WDI.

Also, my favorite part of the ride was the original corridor in the temple...as your boat moved forward there was a stone wall in front of you....as you moved towards it, the stone would disappear and a Mayan Chief would be standing there with a bit of dialogue to welcome you to the attraction.

Simple effect using scrim and backlighting...the same that makes the ceiling disappear in the Haunted Mansion.

Given how Disney likes to build over things (ex: Food Rocks still partly intact behind Soarin') I can't help but wonder if the old Chief is still there behind the video screen.
 

Goofyernmost

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El rio de Tiempo*(Op if you wanna have a conversation ya gotta get the title right my friend) While I agree the music is fun and energetic and I am a huge fan of the 3 caballero's I don't feel they adequately represent mexico simply because Panchito is labeled as Mexican. If anything he is a negative stereotype and the ride ends up showing little or nothing to do about the culture and richness that mexico has to offer. What it is instead is like a post card that one could find in walgreens that says mexico on the front, nice and organized shot of someplace famous but gives you little or nothing about what is actually there. Also as a narrative Rio had way more going for it than the current version which is the same ride just with Donald and the gang slapped up in there.
I'm OK with either, but speaking strictly of classy, the first one bets the second to bits. World Showcase with all the hype is billed as a mini worlds fair. If that is true then the Mexican Pavilion is there to lure tourists to Mexico to see it's cultural heritage. The song was yet another of the WDW tradition for one that you couldn't get out of your head. It always reminded me of a Mexican Small World. The scenes depicted real life encounters in Mexico. Three cartoon animals with sombreros is just ridiculous in my mind. On the plus side it is brighter and sometimes funny. Other then that, I so no real redeeming qualities.

By this logic Test Track 1.0 and Test Track 2.0 are the same ride.
Other then colors, that is exactly what it is. The whole ride, either way, is just there to give you something to look at up until the door opens and you are outside on the loop.
 

Bairstow

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I always thought that Rio del Tiempo felt like an old advertisement for a Mexican vacation.

It was. All the World Showcase pavillions are supposed to be exactly that.

I really liked El Rio Del Tiempo, particularly the first couple rooms where you're still in a flooded temple, listening to echoes of native American music before seeing strange visions astral of Aztec dancers. It was so unlike anything else at Disney World, even Maelstrom.

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Every single thing about the Fiesta Tour overlay is wrong.

...except for the concept. I'm all for trying the ride in with the old Three Caballeros movie, but it needed to be done in a way that actually made sense within the context of the ride- or even the ride's name, ie. have Panchito give a tour to the other two birds (and us). That's not what happens.

The biggest of the ride's many flaws is that there's a complete disconnect between the ride system and the videos you watch while on it. It's a slow-moving, peaceful boat ride in which you pass by movie screens showing very short, frenetic cartoons. Unlike, say Splash Mountain, or Maelstrom again, there's no rapid speed or darting turns to help us feel excited about what we're seeing. It's just a lot of noise that disturbs what otherwise would be a nice little boat ride.

The screens themselves are, of course, awful. There were almost as many screens in Rio del Tiempo, but their use originally was as windows to an outside world, making the space of the ride feel larger. Other than the peddler sequence, none of the people in the film loops tried to get our attention, and the rider could glance from "window" to window at her leisure. Now each screen competes with each other one for attention, blaring its own audio track and trying to get across some kind of gag every 3.5 seconds. Moreover, the little vignettes shown on the screens just aren't that good. The animation is smooth enough but moves very quickly, superimposed on top of live action footage that is also often moving very quickly, while the riders' viewpoint is also constantly moving. It's just not that fun to watch, especially when it's basically the same gag over and over again.

The use of screens here is bad enough, but there's just nothing special done with them here. No transparent eyeliner screens, no projection effects that allow the characters to "leave" the screen, just plain, small movie screens. It woudln't be so glaringly obvious if they hadn't left so many of the nice 3D props and animated dolls in the ride. This really emphasizes the flatness and cheapness of the screens, and makes you wish they had sprung for a set of Panchito and company as actual animatronics, if only for the finale, which had an absolutely perfect circular space to install them.

And then, to add inconvenience to insult, the ride always ends with a 4-minute wait in front of unload since they perpetually keep too many boats in the canal and they back up at the station.
 
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Cmdr_Crimson

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makes you wish they had sprung for a set of Panchito and company as actual animatronics, if only for the finale, which had an absolutely perfect circular space to install them.

Makes me still wish that they could've reused the AA's of them from the Mickey Mouse Revue and get them updated to have been used for the finale rather than the animation.
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Bairstow

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They would probably need all-new AAs.
The figures for the Mickey Mouse Review were all extremely cheap and rudimentary, even for their day...
....what am I saying!? They'd fit right in!!


Nice picture, by the way.
 

75disney

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I have to admit, I like both versions. I miss the market scene from the original. But I love Donald; he makes me laugh and so does the ride.
 

aladdin2007

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Makes me still wish that they could've reused the AA's of them from the Mickey Mouse Revue and get them updated to have been used for the finale rather than the animation.
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That or something like that would have been great for the finale scene, but no TDO went the cheapest cheesy route possible.
 

ajrwdwgirl

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I actually like both. I was prepared to hate the 3 Caballeros version, but I left think it was cute. Could more be done with the ride to enhance it....yes. But I'm also thankful to have a ride/attraction so many of the countries don't.
 

THEMEPARKPIONEER

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Original Poster
Well, at least Hurricane Eisner didn't effect it as much as it did allot of the other attractions. And Tropical Storm Iger seems to be leaving a majority of things alone.
 

Marc Gil

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El Rio was an good ride. It was cute, and a good break from the humidity and the heat of Florida.

Grand Fiesta is mostly the same as El Rio, but cartoonified.

I personally think El Rio identifies with the culture and spirit of Mexico more than Grand Fiesta. Sure it was a little corny and that darn song will always be stuck in my head, but it will always live in my heart.
 

Chrononymous

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It's interesting to watch both versions back to back like that.
It's a hard call, because I like parts of both.

We used to refer to the original as "It's A Small Mexico After All" because it reminded us of another attraction...and that's not a bad thing. There is a kind of majestic feel to the Rio del Tiempo (especially at the beginning) that was nice...although some of those grainy films needed serious updating even when they first premiered. And I agree with MarkTwain...that scene with the merchant always left a bad taste in my mouth.

I do really like the Three Cabelleros. It's a fun (and ridiculously psychedelic) film. And they do bring a fun lightness and energy to the attraction...but the pacing seems so manic and fast. I actually thought that the boat was moving faster in the second video...even though looking at the time on both, it's clearly not.

Where the original had a relaxing and slightly mysterious travelogue vibe, this one is all gags and bright colors and seems to be made for people with the attention span of a fruit fly.
Still...the film doesn't look dated, and that's a plus.

I dunno...both have their pros and cons. Like most things Epcot, I think the original attractions are always better...but this one doesn't suffer too much from the new overlay.
 

The Empress Lilly

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El Rio Del Tiempo was a charming ride that was a perfect blend of Small World and If You Had Wings. A lovely tribute to America's neighbour. With a dash of genuine artistry, telling the history of Mexico through dance.

The current version stinks even more than cartoons burping chili dog in your face. A screen based cartoon ride for undiscerning a-cultured customers. An affront to Mexicans, whose culture is apparanty unworthy of a WS attraction.

Bring back a creative ode to Mexico, and release a Cabelleros cartoon app for the ADHD crowd that goes on a theme park vacation but hasn't the patience to sit through a four minute ride.
 

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