Eisner, what did he do???

[jodez21]

Re: Re: Re: his issue

Originally posted by DisneyFan 2000
You're a shareholder, right? ....

It's sad that even Disney fans think buisness wise only, and can't remember the true meaning of Disney!

sorry im not a shareholder. wake up to the real world, there wouldnt b any disney if it wasnt for business. dont get me wrong im not all for the money and taking out the magic, im just saying theres alot of people here that are only one sided. like you havto take a look at the big picture and relize, u need money to make magic! people quit being so one sided, like give him a chance

 

[jodez21]

sorry about being a jerk about this, but it just agrivates me when alot of people are just really one sided on this and there only reasons for not liking eisner is that "supposibly" hes not very nice. if you have good reasons for it, dont get me wrong, i do respect your opinions. also, about him not being a disney, yes it does irritate me 2, but ya no, as they say... thats life and im sure wen mr. disney passed away people were having the same arguements as we are now.

 

[raven]

Re: Re: Re: Re: his issue

Originally posted by jodez21
... u need money to make magic! people quit being so one sided, like give him a chance

A chance??!!! Um, he HAS been given the chance. That's why he's there now. But look at the nose-dive that has happened over the years while he's been in charge. I think the chance is over now.

As far as making money goes, I agree. But you also have to know how to play your cards right and put the money into things that people want. from a guests point of view (and CMs as well), we see nothing but cheap product coming out of the ideas there. Euro Disney, Tokyo Disney and DCA is struggling, the Disney Stores are closing and over 300 animators in florida were let go. DCA is an example of a park being built so cheap. He has cut back so many jobs, ideas and funding for attractions yet HIS salery gets higher and higher. People are seeing this and it doesn't make them happy.

I can see how you can agree to some extent and I do believe everyone is entiled to their own opinion, but please be careful not to insult other members on these boards. They have lots of great ideas and we are all friends here.

 

[Tim G]

Originally posted by grizzlyhall
Yup..SaveDisney is a great resource.

No, it isn't... It's not objective... it's one sided...
Roy was last 10 years, very busy with everything EXCEPT Disney..

The things he loved?
Grand Openings...
Movie Premieres...etc. etc...

Always nagging, had always something on everyone, always could have done it better, but he hasn't done ____*T.
ie. In 10 years, he showed his face once, ONCE ! ... in WDI / R&D, the place where it's happening, and where almost everything has been/is born... While it's almost practically around the corner...

To be honest, my personal opiniion? I'm glad he's gone...
Now he comes with a loud mouth about Eisner...
Eisner this, Eisner that... Just trying toe get the public along...
It's soooo easy to comment on other people... he, himself never did a innovating thing for the Mouse... Except his name, Disney!
If it was for him, there wouldn't be a Mission:SPACE, there wouldn't be a Expedition Everest, a DCA and Nemo, etc. etc.

I do agree WDC needs a Disney name on the boards, and alas he's the only Disney available...
But see him, the next CEO... I think, I'm gonna file bankrupt for them the next morning...

I never said anything on the Forums about this... But the whole thing gets a bit blown up, and comes out in Eisner bashing, which Roy enjoys...

I really have to admit too, that Eisner has to go... but absolutely NOT because of Roy... but simply because the company needs young blood, a new young guns.

Bonuses... Eisner got alot, a Whole lot...
But don't forget, Roy almost gets the same... (out of the fund) (for doing nothing, simply for the name)
Eisner's objective was to make the company profitable again, in which he succeeded... he did what he was hired for.

And the bonuses were agreed by contract when he was hired, they... (Roy too) knew what was coming...

Compared to these figures my bonus was a tip...

Today is one of the worst operating environments Disney could possibly be in, not because of Michael Eisner but because of he combination of a difficult economy and the fear of travel because of terrorism.

I'm not starting an argument what-so-ever... but think about it...
Go into the archives... look what Eisner has done in 10 years and what Roy has done for the last 10 years...

I respect everyones opinion, I hope you respect mine too...

 

[jodez21]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: his issue

Originally posted by raven
A chance??!!! Um, he HAS been given the chance. That's why he's there now. But look at the nose-dive that has happened over the years while he's been in charge. I think the chance is over now.

As far as making money goes, I agree. But you also have to know how to play your cards right and put the money into things that people want. from a guests point of view (and CMs as well), we see nothing but cheap product coming out of the ideas there. Euro Disney, Tokyo Disney and DCA is struggling, the Disney Stores are closing and over 300 animators in florida were let go. DCA is an example of a park being built so cheap. He has cut back so many jobs, ideas and funding for attractions yet HIS salery gets higher and higher. People are seeing this and it doesn't make them happy.

I can see how you can agree to some extent and I do believe everyone is entiled to their own opinion, but please be careful not to insult other members on these boards. They have lots of great ideas and we are all friends here.

1. eisner hasn't even been in charge for a year yet, so i really cant see how the company has nose-dived for the many years he has been in charge.

2. cheap merchandises: couldnt agree more there, but they were there when roy was incharge aswell. but something should be done there. theyre selling little plastic junk out and selling it for like 50$.

3. good point on the cuts + his salery getting higher. if he made cuts and was lowering his salery, then maybe id attempt to back him up there. (btw im not sure if wat your saying is true, but im gonna trust you on this one)

 

[raven]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: his issue

Originally posted by jodez21
1. eisner hasn't even been in charge for a year yet, so i really cant see how the company has nose-dived for the many years he has been in charge.

He's been the CEO for years now.

Originally posted by Corrus
I really have to admit too, that Eisner has to go... but absolutely NOT because of Roy... but simply because the company needs young blood, a new young guns.

I believe this too. He is a good business man but I just feel he has had so much power that his original intensions are getting lost. But that also would be easy for anyone in that position to have happen to them. It's time for new ideas.

As far as Roy goes, I don't believe he wants to be CEO. He just wants the company to be run the way it Walt wanted it to be ran. He knows Michael is not doing it and wants to get him out of there.

If we could only breed Disney blood. Let's get some DNA from Walt's grave and clone a new Walt!

And I do respect everyone's opinion. :animwink:

 

[jodez21]

A Walt Clone, wow that would be the day eh! if only.. lol! but yes i can see where you're coming from with eisner getting power hungry or watever its called. some young blood would be great to tell you the truth. Someone who would take it back to basics, and try and get a bit more quality in there. i really don't know how theyd do it, maybe sell abc and espn or somthing (i think they own them, but im not 100% on that), id run, but im only in gr 10:hammer:

just to get things straight, im not really eisner supporter and a roy hater, im just not an eisner hater! im pretty much in the middle of the fence.

 

[cherrynegra]

This topic always seems to get the masses up in arms for either camp. However, I don't think the anti-Eisner sentiment is something that sprang up overnight. I believe this is a situation that has grown over the years and has gotten much stronger in the past two. I believe that since the sentiment has gotten not only stronger but much more vocal among the Disney lover community, than it cannot be denied that there is a general dissatisfaction with the direction the company is headed. And I don't think the anti-Eisner camp can be pigeonholed as well. As one can tell from the posts here, that camp is made up of a lot of varying people with their own varied opinions about why Eisner should step down. Some of them I agree with, and some I don't. But the general consensus is that Eisner, as CEO, must step down due to his mismanagement. (And that comment can be argued into oblivion. I'm sure.) Afterall, a fish rots from the head down.

 

[raven]

Originally posted by jodez21
Someone who would take it back to basics, and try and get a bit more quality in there. i really don't know how theyd do it, maybe sell abc and espn or somthing (i think they own them, but im not 100% on that)

You are right! Disney owns ABC and ESPN.

Besides the parks that we all know of, Disneyland, DCA, Magic Kingdom, Epcot, Walt Disney Studios park (Paris), Disney's Animal Kingdom, Hong Kong Disneyland, Tokyo Disneyland, Tokyo Disney Sea, Disney MGM Studios, Disneyland Resort, Walt Disney World resort, Disneyland paris, and Downtown Disney.....

...Disney also owns Disney Channel, Radio Disney, Toon Disney, Interactive Disney, Disney Adventures, XGames, Disney on Ice, Mouse Works, Walt Disney Television Animation, Walt Disney Feature Animation, Buena Vista home Entertainment, Walt Disney Television International, Walt Disney Parks and resorts Online, Walt Disney Records, Disney.com, Walt Disney Art Classics, Walt Disney Internet Group, Disney Theatrical Productions, Disney Auctions, Disney Store, Disney Cruise Line, Disney Consumer Products, Walt Disney Imagineering, Disney Vacation Club, Disney Magazine, Hyperion Books, Touchstone TV and Films, Hollywood Records, Mammoth Records, Hollywood Pictures, Dimension Films, Family Fun Magazine, Buena Vista Music Group, Soap Net, the Mighty Ducks, Movies.com, Lyric Street Records, Miramax Films, The Baby Einstein Company, Discover, Buena Vista Television, Jump in the Sun, as well as all of the other ABC and ESPN affiliates (ABC Sports, ABC News, ABC News.com, ABC Radio Division, ABC.com, ABC Daytime, ABC Family, ABC Kids, ABC Enhanced TV, ABC Radio Networks, ESPN News, ESPN 2, ESPN Classic, ESPN Radio, ESPN.com and ESPN the Magazine).

Whew! Believe it or not, those are all separate divisions all under the corporate Disney umbrella.

As you can see, the CEO has a lot of power and responsibility.

 

[TURKEY]

Originally posted by Corrus


I really have to admit too, that Eisner has to go... but absolutely NOT because of Roy... but simply because the company needs young blood, a new young guns.

Bonuses... Eisner got alot, a Whole lot...
But don't forget, Roy almost gets the same... (out of the fund) (for doing nothing, simply for the name)
Eisner's objective was to make the company profitable again, in which he succeeded... he did what he was hired for.

And the bonuses were agreed by contract when he was hired, they... (Roy too) knew what was coming...

Compared to these figures my bonus was a tip...

Today is one of the worst operating environments Disney could possibly be in, not because of Michael Eisner but because of he combination of a difficult economy and the fear of travel because of terrorism.

I'm not starting an argument what-so-ever... but think about it...
Go into the archives... look what Eisner has done in 10 years and what Roy has done for the last 10 years...

I respect everyones opinion, I hope you respect mine too...

I agree more with your position. Having Roy leave only has made even more people start to speak out against Eisner.

 

[Tim G]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: his issue

Originally posted by raven I believe this too. He is a good business man but I just feel he has had so much power that his original intensions are getting lost. But that also would be easy for anyone in that position to have happen to them. It's time for new ideas.

Right!!!
When in 1984, Michael was hired as CEO, his top priority was fixing Disney's film and TV businesses, which he did.
Roy couldn't even cope with his own department...
In other words, cleaning up Roy's mess for example as well...

As far as Roy goes, I don't believe he wants to be CEO. He just wants the company to be run the way it Walt wanted it to be ran.

The catch is, because he is á Disney, he wants the company to be run HIS way... (he wishes)
He never wanted to be CEO, that's why it, so easy to comment for him. he couldn't handle it, never!
He could'nt even run Disney Animation Studios properly...
He's acting (always has been) childish... you know how is with these guys...
He thinks, because he is a Disney and needs to be in, in EVERY dissision, but alas that's not the way the Mouse works... wishfull thinking for Roy.
He was never satisfied with his job... and that's his problem, that frustrated him...

If we could only breed Disney blood. Let's get some DNA from Walt's grave and clone a new Walt!

WAUW!! That would be the day!!! In Walt's days anything was possible... but that's really out of time...

And I do respect everyone's opinion. :animwink:

Thanks!!

 

[barnum42]

Originally posted by dadisneynutter
Where do I get ahold of one of these bloody bumper stickers, mate?

I thought we British were the only ones who used the word "bloody". Are you an ex-pat?

 

[General Grizz]

Well, based on his vision (as seen in the extensive "one-sided" savedisney.com), I'd argue that he should have more power - - as far as company ethics and direction goes.

I'm sure Eisner's treatment towards him didn't help his dissatisfaction. I know I'd be displeased if I was kept away from my own meetings.

Even if Mr. X from the street ran SaveDisney.com, I'd commend him. It's not that he's Roy Disney. . . it's that he holds the Disney spirit. Let's not put down the "child" factor!

 

[Tim G]

Original tear line by grizzlyhall
What part of FAMILY doesn't Eisner understand??

You should know.... He hates corner stones... :lol:

Walt Disney Company Annual Meeting: March 3 in Philadelphia

Í'll be there, for shure........ (I guess)

 

[bluesnut]

Re: Re: Re: Re: his issue

Originally posted by jodez21
[ roy wants his job back so he'll probably pull every dirty trick in the book to get it back. thats some more business for ya. If roy was soo good, then y did the company choose eisner instead of roy?

The company didn't choose Eisner over Roy. Roy choose Eisner to start. Second Roy RESIGNED he wasn't REPLACED. There is a difference. And yes Eisner saved WDW. Heck Eisner saved Disney period in the 80's and 90's. But as a shareholder Disney has been going down hill and it has been loosing sponsorship and it has been loosing clout. And yes it is a business and businesses change direction. Eisner is like the coach of a hockey team (please don't bring up the Ducks that is a whole different subject.) He makes the decision of who goes on the ice and what they do. Then those people make the decisions based on what the coach wants. When the people in the head office, (the board members and the shareholders) start to not like the outcome it is time for a change. That is also BUSINESS. And if you don't understand hockey substitute any sport you want it still works.

 

[FigmentJedi]

The corruption of Eisner started when Frank Wells died in a helecopter crash. Anyone have a time machine?

 

[Mr. Tom Morrow]

Actually the corruption of Michael Eisner started long before he joined The Disney Company. You have to go back, back before he was with Paramount; go all the way back to when he was with ABC! Hmmmm back when he was with ABC, and now Disney owns ABC, a strange coincidence?

Actually back in 1984 the only way Michael Eisner would be accepted by the major shareholders to run the company was if Frank Wells came to the company as well. And it’s a good thing he did to. It was Frank Wells who kept the Disney boat pointed in the right direction, not Michael Eisner. In fact, if it wasn’t for Frank Wells, Michael might have buried the company by the end of the ‘80’s. There were a number of decisions that Michael made that could have ruined the company, the biggest probably being Euro Disney (now Disneyland Paris) a mess that Frank got the company out of. The good that Michael was able to do during that time was because they were both in the company. Since that time Michael has been on his own, and it shows. If you would like a good read, try reading ‘Key’s to the Kingdom’ its very interesting!

 

[DisneyFan 2000]

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Originally posted by Corrus
He never wanted to be CEO, that's why it, so easy to comment for him. he couldn't handle it, never!
He could'nt even run Disney Animation Studios properly...
He's acting (always has been) childish... you know how is with these guys... QUOTE]

He's childish? Wake up! Eisner practically spied on him because of his management obbsesion! If Roy doesn't know how to run Disney properly why is Eisner so afraid of him? And why hasn't he commented about the issue yet? If Michael realy believed he was doing the right thing he would have said something!