Dreamfinder Returning??

[jedimaster1227]

I'm not really calling for the buildings to be knocked down. I miss the Horizons building something fierce. I just mean the whole insides need to be gutted out and started over.

Well, the past shows that sometimes gutting the building and putting in something new isn't the best option. Though, the new attraction planned for the old Horizons building could have been great!

 

[wannab@dis]

the only problum i have with the kocking buildings down is you start to forget the ride that was once there. That's the problum i have with mision space.

The parks are supposed to change and they NEED to change. Living in the past will not make Epcot a good park. In fact, things should have been knocked down a lot sooner. If they had been, maybe the demise that took place wouldn't have lasted as long.

Let the attraction live in your memories, but change is necessary in the parks.

 

[dxwwf3]

Let the attraction live in your memories, but change is necessary in the parks.

That's true, but I don't think it's completely right. To me, necessary change is necessary in the parks

I also pretty much agree with hakunamatata's post above as well.

 

[comics101]

The parks are supposed to change and they NEED to change. Living in the past will not make Epcot a good park. In fact, things should have been knocked down a lot sooner. If they had been, maybe the demise that took place wouldn't have lasted as long.

Let the attraction live in your memories, but change is necessary in the parks.

could you imagine a new energy ride not being in the UoE? they desereve to be there.

 

[wannab@dis]

could you imagine a new energy ride not being in the UoE? they desereve to be there.

Deserves? :veryconfu

If a pavilion works for a new attraction, use it. If not, start over from scratch.

 

[CaptainMichael]

Deserves? :veryconfu

If a pavilion works for a new attraction, use it. If not, start over from scratch.

Exactly! I'd definitely rather a super cool new attraction in a new building than a mediocre one squeezed into an existing building.

 

[comics101]

Deserves? :veryconfu

If a pavilion works for a new attraction, use it. If not, start over from scratch.

wrong word. i just don't know. i guess i'm more of a old school epcot fan because back then it actually was the future. i don't like change because of it and wish it would stay the same. i just have a problem! :lol: lol

 

[jedimaster1227]

wrong word. i just don't know. i guess i'm more of a old school epcot fan because back then it actually was the future. i don't like change because of it and wish it would stay the same. i just have a problem! :lol: lol

Am I the only one that noticed that all of the new versions of old rides and pavilions are going to become easily obsolete within the next 15-20 years except for maybe Mission Space which I give 25 years.

That is the thing I see as a problem for Disney. Everything is going to lose momentum and become outdated, so much so that they will start over again. That will put us in the same situation we are in now.

 

[HoW]

Am I the only one that noticed that all of the new versions of old rides and pavilions are going to become easily obsolete within the next 15-20 years except for maybe Mission Space which I give 25 years.

That is the thing I see as a problem for Disney. Everything is going to lose momentum and become outdated, so much so that they will start over again. That will put us in the same situation we are in now.

I think that's part of the plan, to never stop changing, so that there is always something new. I love to remember what made my early trips to WDW great, but I can't change what's done.

Most things in life become outdated at some point, look at computers these days, you buy one and it is almost obsolete by the time you get it home. The way technology is improving in leaps and bounds we have to except that sometimes things are going to be as good as they could be. But that is part of the beauty of a continually adaptable environment, you always know it won't be too long before the next Mission Space or EE comes along.

 

[comics101]

I think that's part of the plan, to never stop changing, so that there is always something new. I love to remember what made my early trips to WDW great, but I can't change what's done.

Most things in life become outdated at some point, look at computers these days, you buy one and it is almost obsolete by the time you get it home. The way technology is improving in leaps and bounds we have to except that sometimes things are going to be as good as they could be. But that is part of the beauty of a continually adaptable environment, you always know it won't be too long before the next Mission Space or EE comes along.

Walt said Disneyland would never be complete, i asume the same thing goes for WDW

 

[jedimaster1227]

Walt said Disneyland would never be complete, i asume the same thing goes for WDW

We can only hope...

 

[Hakunamatata]

Walt said Disneyland would never be complete, i asume the same thing goes for WDW

Walt wasnt really concerned about the MK in WDW. E.P.C.O.T was his pet for florida.

 

[CThaddeus]

Walt was for change, but I think he was also about keeping things that worked and just plussing them when he could. Look at the Jungle Cruise or the Mine Train Thru Nature's Wonderland. He just kept adding to them to make them better, year after year. For the most part, he really only bulldozed attractions when they were something that wasn't working (Disneyland Circus) or something that was done as a stopgap measure to begin with (Hall of Chemistry and much of the rest of the original Tomorrowland).
At EPCOT, we've lost just about everything that was originally designed for Future World. I think the only two attractions that haven't been seriously altered are Spaceship Earth (an instance of plussing in the Park, in my opinion) and the Living with the Land attraction. In one case I think the major overhaul was actually a good thing - Universe of Energy. I rarely use emoticons, but this one says it all in regards to the original UoE - :snore: And, unlike most of the new attractions, it includes an element of the future in it. It asks where are we going, what can we do to improve the future, etc. These are questions almost all of the original Future World attractions asked at some point - Horizons, World of Motion, The Living Seas, Spaceship Earth, and yes, even the original UoE. The new attractions seem to be more of an appeal to the so-called MTV generation - short, quick rides, instant gratification, and a lack of plot. Call me an old fogey, but I honestly prefer attractions like Horizons, World of Motion, and the original Journey Into Imagination that take 15 to 20 minutes, educate me, entertain me, and actually leave me feeling awed and inspired. Maybe that's what it all really came down to for me when I first visited Future World - Awe and Inspiration. I hope EPCOT gets to that point again someday (if we can dream it, then they can do it), but for now it just doesn't hold the appeal for me it once did...not that I'll go there any less (Spaceship Earth and American Adventure still exist!), it just doesn't have the one little spark it used to.

 

[tirian]

Walt wasnt really concerned about the MK in WDW. E.P.C.O.T was his pet for florida.

More likely than not, the reason he was more interested in Epcot is that he had already "conquered" the Disneyland project. Don't misread this to think he didn't care about the MK; on the contrary, Florida's Magic Kingdom was redesigned to fix Disneyland's flaws (tunnels, wider walkways, etc.).

 

[dxwwf3]

Walt was for change, but I think he was also about keeping things that worked and just plussing them when he could.

:sohappy:

 

[jedimaster1227]

Walt wasnt really concerned about the MK in WDW. E.P.C.O.T was his pet for florida.

True, but he needed the success of MK to make sure the community surrounding it approved. He wouldn't build something that he knew would flop.

 

[Empress Room]

Walt was for change, but I think he was also about keeping things that worked and just plussing them when he could. Look at the Jungle Cruise or the Mine Train Thru Nature's Wonderland. He just kept adding to them to make them better, year after year. For the most part, he really only bulldozed attractions when they were something that wasn't working (Disneyland Circus) or something that was done as a stopgap measure to begin with (Hall of Chemistry and much of the rest of the original Tomorrowland).

I don't think it's prudent to hypothesize about what Walt did or did not believe in when it comes to changes or additions for the parks. Don't forget, at the time of Walt's death in 1966, Disneyland was only eleven years old - a very young park indeed. In those eleven years, Walt did make changes to the park - both new additions and extensive "rehabs." Those changes may have been made to address the old versus the new; however, they could also have been made to address the general evolution of this new creation/entity known as the theme park.

It's simply not fair to guess what Walt would have done with older attractions should he have lived long enough for any of his park's 50th anniversary (like Disneyland) or 24th anniversary (like Epcot).

 

[comics101]

Walt wasnt really concerned about the MK in WDW. E.P.C.O.T was his pet for florida.

i'm not talking about one individual park. Maybe Epcot was his "pet" for flordia, however that doesn't mean it's ever complete. and both Epcot and MK will and shouldn't ever be complete. I know that's hipocrytic(sp?)of what i said earlier, so sorry.:lookaroun

 

[jedimaster1227]

I don't think it's prudent to hypothesize about what Walt did or did not believe in when it comes to changes or additions for the parks. Don't forget, at the time of Walt's death in 1966, Disneyland was only eleven years old - a very young park indeed. In those eleven years, Walt did make changes to the park - both new additions and extensive "rehabs." Those changes may have been made to address the old versus the new; however, they could also have been made to address the general evolution of this new creation/entity known as the theme park.

It's simply not fair to guess what Walt would have done with older attractions should he have lived long enough for any of his park's 50th anniversary (like Disneyland) or 24th anniversary (like Epcot).

Actually, you are right to say that we shouldn't say what he would or wouldn't do. But we do have the right to chat about what we think he would do or wouldn't do.

On that note, what do you think Walt would have thought about MGM and AK?

 

[spectro0294]

Walt was for change, but I think he was also about keeping things that worked and just plussing them when he could. Look at the Jungle Cruise or the Mine Train Thru Nature's Wonderland. He just kept adding to them to make them better, year after year. For the most part, he really only bulldozed attractions when they were something that wasn't working (Disneyland Circus) or something that was done as a stopgap measure to begin with (Hall of Chemistry and much of the rest of the original Tomorrowland).
At EPCOT, we've lost just about everything that was originally designed for Future World. I think the only two attractions that haven't been seriously altered are Spaceship Earth (an instance of plussing in the Park, in my opinion) and the Living with the Land attraction. In one case I think the major overhaul was actually a good thing - Universe of Energy. I rarely use emoticons, but this one says it all in regards to the original UoE - :snore: And, unlike most of the new attractions, it includes an element of the future in it. It asks where are we going, what can we do to improve the future, etc. These are questions almost all of the original Future World attractions asked at some point - Horizons, World of Motion, The Living Seas, Spaceship Earth, and yes, even the original UoE. The new attractions seem to be more of an appeal to the so-called MTV generation - short, quick rides, instant gratification, and a lack of plot. Call me an old fogey, but I honestly prefer attractions like Horizons, World of Motion, and the original Journey Into Imagination that take 15 to 20 minutes, educate me, entertain me, and actually leave me feeling awed and inspired. Maybe that's what it all really came down to for me when I first visited Future World - Awe and Inspiration. I hope EPCOT gets to that point again someday (if we can dream it, then they can do it), but for now it just doesn't hold the appeal for me it once did...not that I'll go there any less (Spaceship Earth and American Adventure still exist!), it just doesn't have the one little spark it used to.

I too, feel this way about current Epcot. Don't get me wrong though, I do enjoy M:S and TT and all that good stuff. And I realize the parks need to change; but it is true, for me anyway, it doesn't have what it used to. It was attractions like SE, Horizons, and the original JII that made me love Epcot.