Don't expect to have a magical time using a Electric car

[violet_yoshi]

If you need to use an electric car in Disneyworld, don't expect to have an easy time of it. First of all I told people for example, I could transfer from my electric car. They acted like I didn't need to use the car, so it was reasonable for them to harass me and give me dirty looks. I am talking about the Cast Members.

Not to mention things like, asking you to try and navigate the lines with your electric car, which I found difficult and I've been playing video games since I was 6 years old. All they have to do is appoint a cast member to take the cars from the front of the ride to the exit. Or here's an idea, how about letting them use the handicapped door! Or is that only for "real" handicapped people who use wheelchairs?

I never realized until today all the trouble people who are disabled have to put up with from others. It really is like you do not exsist. So I'm planning to volunteer to help disabled people from now on. I do not know how someone could stand to use an electric car in the parks without from the stress from other people. I mean, you would think if a let's say 50 pound vehicle was coming your way, you'd move right. Nope, it doesn't happen.

I also forgot to mention these people laughed at me when I hit the bar for the line to Mission Space with my car, and the cast members just stood there and did nothing. Is being able to laugh at the disabled considered Disney Magic too? I mean, I could decide not to use the electric car, I guess people who can't just learn to put up with people being cruel towards them.

I mean fine, ok I'm going on a thrill ride and therfore must not be disabled and not entitled to use the car. Ok I can understand someone being a jerk about that. You know, there are people who simply can not walk through the parks, for whatever reason, and yes being obese might be a reason. And no, walking through the parks isn't going to magically make them thin and therfore acceptable to society and entitled by thin privelage to use a electric car. But that is another rant for another time.

They have you pay to use the cars, that alone should be reason enough for them to not make it a miserable experience to use one. I don't know if it's Disneyworld just doesn't want to bother making time to teach people how to handle people using electric vehicles, or even common courtesy. Or that they hire people who are from countries, which do not require by law that people treat those with disabilities like human people instead of trash. You would think of all people, Disneyworld would abide by the disabilities act.

They don't.

Using an electric vehicle instead of a wheelchair, doesn't mean your less disabled, or that you need to look disabled in order to be treated with respect. Unless I'm mistaken, I don't see someone making a person in a wheelchair navigate the main line. You have to be an idiot to think someone without previous experience in an electric car, or even someone with that experience, can make hairpin turns. That takes eye-hand cordination, which I don't see someone older having.

I'm done ranting. I just really, I feel like I have no right to complain compared to what disabled people go through. I also forgot to mention the elevators at The Living Seas did not work. And people do joke about handicapped people getting to go first in line ect. It's the least they can do, for all the trouble they put up with daily.

 

[Jerriko]

To start...I'm sorry to hear you had just a horrible experience at Disney World.

I just need some clarification on what you mean by Electric Car? When I hear electric car I think of a car that drives on the road, but using electrcity to go instead of Gas....are you meaning an electric wheelchair?

but anyway...My father is in a powered wheelchair and everytime he has been to the World, he has been tried exceptionally well...

again sorry for your bad experience and possibly some clarification about what you are refering to by Electric Car?

Chris

 

[Monty]

I'm sorry you had a bad experience.

I [thankfully] don't yet need an ECV, but I most likely will at some point. I do have a disability and for the most part have not had issues at WDW.

If I may, it is very difficult to "train" employees [or anyone] to handle being confronted with all of the wide variety of disabilities 'well'. Most people, even the best-intentioned, don't always feel comfortable when dealing with the disabled, it's not always cruelty, sometimes it's awkwardness and concern that they'll say or do something offensive that ultimately leads them to say or do something offensive. In my experience, very few were deliberately cruel, though often it seemed they were. Human nature creates an aversion to people who are different from ourselves, over a long period of time society has forced changes to some discriminatory attitudes [racism, s.e.xism, etc...] but the disabled are one of the last groups who still experience it at fairly high levels. Someday, society will advance to the point where all individuals will be judged solely by what they give to others and contribute to society in their own way, not by quantity or quality, but by the heart that goes into the contribution.

Until then, know that the majority of people have good hearts and intentions even when they're disabled in displaying them. :animwink:

 

[violet_yoshi]

I don't think human nature causes us to have an aversion to those who are different than us, it sounds more like our animal nature. They might not have been intentionally cruel, yet I've never been treated the way I have when I appeared "able".

It isn't an issue of being able to deal with a wide array of disabilities, as much as it's understanding someone can need to use an ECV without being completely disabled, maybe they wanted to pay extra to have a comfortable time in the park. Does that mean they should be looked down upon, cause someone else who is visibly disable might need it?

I also think you really don't understand how difficult it is to move an ECV through a public line with the bars. Have you ever had to do that? I might be ignorant, but I don't see why it's so difficult to see that people using ECVs have a decent time. I mean, a lobotomized monkey :hammer:could tell that ECVs aren't meant to make hair-pin turns like they need to in line, like a race car.

 

[Tom Morrow]

Or here's an idea, how about letting them use the handicapped door! Or is that only for "real" handicapped people who use wheelchairs?

Most attractions have an "alternate entrance" option, and it varies by the attraction. For some, it is the Fast Pass line. However, to use this, you need to have a Guest Assistance Card from Guest Relations indicating that, for health reasons, you cannot wait in the standby line. If you explain your situation to them, they might issue you one. And no, they don't just hand them out to any guest using a wheelchair or ECV. This is to help cut down on the number of "fakers" pretending to be disabled to skip lines.

I mean, you would think if a let's say 50 pound vehicle was coming your way, you'd move right. Nope, it doesn't happen.

Using an ECV does not entitle you to plow through crowds. If a group of people were standing around close together, and one person was walking in their direction, that person would walk around them, not toward them expecting them to move. This attitude is what gives ECV users a bad reputation in the first place.

You have to think of yourself as walking along with everyone else, not viewing everyone else as pedestrians.

As for the rest of your post, I'm really not sure what to think. Every single attraction CM is trained on how to handle ECVs. It varies by attraction, but many attractions, like Tower of Terror for example, do not allow ECVs through the line because, like you said, it can be very tough to navigate it through the line. Many attraction queues are wheelchair accessible, but not ECV accessible because they are long and can't make hairpin turns.

Instead, usually a wheelchair is offered to the guest using the ECV to use through the line while the ECV is parked outside.

All Disney CMs are also trained on all the ways to assist guests with disabilities, and Disney honestly goes above and beyond in the amount of accommodations made for them. Really, I mean unless you somehow hit every single newbie cast member (or the rare bad apple) who didn't know the procedure for ECVs, I have to say I find it hard to believe that you were forced to take it through every queue.

It's the least they can do, for all the trouble they put up with daily.

You want to be treated as equal, but yet you want privileges over everyone else?

If you truly feel that, for health reasons, you cannot wait through long lines, talk to the guest relations counter on your next trip.

 

[dazzer68]

''I mean, you would think if a let's say 50 pound vehicle was coming your way, you'd move right. Nope, it doesn't happen.''

why? why shouldnt the people in wheelchairs be just as respectful to other people as non wheelchair users. if i was walking down the street at twenty miles an hour i wouldnt expect people to get out of my way, i would expect to hit alot of them, and so i would walk according to the flow, and if their was i line id get in it, and if the people werent moving,neither would i be.

im not anti disabled by any means, my sister and mother both are, some disabled people moan because they 'just want to be treated the same' yet when they are they want special treatment.As a person who used to work dealing with the public, it is difficult to know how to respond to disabled to people and to know what there needs are, some people would be offended to help them too much others want all the help they can get.

perhaps its down to the persons attitude and the way they come across to others.....

 

[silentb0b]

ECV's should be banned completely. End of story.

 

[Fun2BFree]

First of all I told people for example, I could transfer from my electric car.

maybe they wanted to pay extra to have a comfortable time in the park.

You haven't made it completely clear in your posts, but can you walk under your own power? If so, you needn't go through the rigmarole in line you described. Even if you cannot stand upright for a huge amount of time, there are plenty of walls and bars to lean against or even sit on.

 

[dazzer68]

rigmarole .

thats such a british word ,made me smile!

 

[danpam1024]

ECV's should be banned completely. End of story.

Before you get flamed, I'll stand by you for making this comment. We'll go down together. :lookaroun

Unless the user is handicapped/doctor's prescription, I totally agree. The OP's rant is disgraceful. Obviously, he/she rented an EVC expecting to receive respect or pity in order to promote his personal convenience. When it didn't happen, he complains because handicapped people are treated better than he...

I feel ill....

*EDIT* - I'm the DH of the lovely member who posts here quite regularly. She is much kinder and gentler than I. Please don't hold my post against her.
(Love ya babe! Did I tell you how beautiful you look today? )

 

[violet_yoshi]

Most attractions have an "alternate entrance" option, and it varies by the attraction. For some, it is the Fast Pass line. However, to use this, you need to have a Guest Assistance Card from Guest Relations indicating that, for health reasons, you cannot wait in the standby line. If you explain your situation to them, they might issue you one. And no, they don't just hand them out to any guest using a wheelchair or ECV. This is to help cut down on the number of "fakers" pretending to be disabled to skip lines.

Using an ECV does not entitle you to plow through crowds. If a group of people were standing around close together, and one person was walking in their direction, that person would walk around them, not toward them expecting them to move. This attitude is what gives ECV users a bad reputation in the first place.

You have to think of yourself as walking along with everyone else, not viewing everyone else as pedestrians.

As for the rest of your post, I'm really not sure what to think. Every single attraction CM is trained on how to handle ECVs. It varies by attraction, but many attractions, like Tower of Terror for example, do not allow ECVs through the line because, like you said, it can be very tough to navigate it through the line. Many attraction queues are wheelchair accessible, but not ECV accessible because they are long and can't make hairpin turns.

Instead, usually a wheelchair is offered to the guest using the ECV to use through the line while the ECV is parked outside.

All Disney CMs are also trained on all the ways to assist guests with disabilities, and Disney honestly goes above and beyond in the amount of accommodations made for them. Really, I mean unless you somehow hit every single newbie cast member (or the rare bad apple) who didn't know the procedure for ECVs, I have to say I find it hard to believe that you were forced to take it through every queue.


You want to be treated as equal, but yet you want privileges over everyone else?

If you truly feel that, for health reasons, you cannot wait through long lines, talk to the guest relations counter on your next trip.

No, I want everyone using an ECV treated equally. Appearantly you are right though. Perhaps the idea is to irritate someone who isn't actually disabled, as in with a note, so much that they give up the car so someone disabled can have it.

 

[violet_yoshi]

Before you get flamed, I'll stand by you for making this comment. We'll go down together. :lookaroun

Unless the user is handicapped/doctor's prescription, I totally agree. The OP's rant is disgraceful. Obviously, he/she rented an EVC expecting to receive respect or pity in order to promote his personal convenience. When it didn't happen, he complains because handicapped people are treated better than he...

I feel ill....

*EDIT* - I'm the DH of the lovely member who posts here quite regularly. She is much kinder and gentler than I. Please don't hold my post against her.
(Love ya babe! Did I tell you how beautiful you look today? )

Alright. Appearantly you completely missed the part of the post where I said, everyone with an EVC should be treated with respect, not just me.

I can see that because of people like you, others feel that this treatment is justified. Clearly, there is a bias against people using EVCs who aren't disabled. Maybe you should write to Disney and suggest everyone have a doctors note with them in order to use an EVC then? Hmm.

I think your post is disgraceful. I suppose respect only comes to those who suffer through the parks like everyone else right? It's too much to ask for respect for people in general. I'm sorry I expected to be treated reasonably at Disneyworld, after paying 75$ to rent an ECV.

What's disgusting is the amount of lookism out there. Apperantly you need a doctor to qualify that your disabled enough to have a right to an ECV. Especially if you don't LOOK disabled. What you have to show the note to every cast member so they go, " Oh! I guess I don't have to be a total jerk to this person now!"

You missed the part completely where I said I wanted to volunteer to help disabled people, after the way I saw they were treated. I guess that means nothing to you, because I dared to cross the line and actually expect not to be bullied for using an ECV without wearing a leg cast or something.

 

[violet_yoshi]

You haven't made it completely clear in your posts, but can you walk under your own power? If so, you needn't go through the rigmarole in line you described. Even if you cannot stand upright for a huge amount of time, there are plenty of walls and bars to lean against or even sit on.

Yeah, well I guess I should've mentioned I was able to "transfer" or something. Appearantly some people here feel that people able to "transfer" shouldn't be allowed to use ECVs, it should only be for those "truely" disabled.

 

[violet_yoshi]

ECV's should be banned completely. End of story.

I agree with you for the following reasons:

1. It seems hardly anyone in the park knows their capabilites and how to handle them.

2. That it's ok to judge someone who uses an ECV instead of a wheelchair.

3. You pratically need an airhorn to get through the crowds with it.

 

[violet_yoshi]

this asked me to add more to my message, so 123.

''I mean, you would think if a let's say 50 pound vehicle was coming your way, you'd move right. Nope, it doesn't happen.''

why? why shouldnt the people in wheelchairs be just as respectful to other people as non wheelchair users. if i was walking down the street at twenty miles an hour i wouldnt expect people to get out of my way, i would expect to hit alot of them, and so i would walk according to the flow, and if their was i line id get in it, and if the people werent moving,neither would i be.

im not anti disabled by any means, my sister and mother both are, some disabled people moan because they 'just want to be treated the same' yet when they are they want special treatment.

Well it's like if you can imagine all your life being treated as a burden to others, by strangers, you'd want to be treated just the same too despite your disabilities. They may not want special treatment, because the way strangers act towards them when they get it. People feel they are able to judge someone just by looking at them, this form of discrimination is called Lookism. You do not know someone's history or problems by just looking at them.Like for example I have Hyperacusis, you wouldn't know that unless you saw me wearing my ZEM Headsets.

As a person who used to work dealing with the public, it is difficult to know how to respond to disabled to people and to know what there needs are, some people would be offended to help them too much others want all the help they can get.

Well the thing is most disabled people have probably spent their life being treated younger than they are, as in overprotected. So some of them when you try to help them feel as if you're "treating them like a baby" in a way. While other people are like, "Oooh let me take advantage of that!"

perhaps its down to the persons attitude and the way they come across to others.....

 

[dazzer68]

i looked hyperacusis up....Hyperacusis is a health condition characterized by an over-sensitivity to certain frequency ranges of sound (a collapsed tolerance to normal environmental sound). A person with severe hyperacusis has difficulty tolerating everyday sounds, some of which may seem unpleasantly loud to that person but not to others.
no mention of needing a evc for that?
so your not disabled but you feel like you need to be treated like one? im no doctor but sound more like ....Munchausen syndrome is a psychiatric disorder in which those affected fake disease, illness, or psychological trauma in order to draw attention or sympathy to themselves. It is in a class of disorders known as factitious disorders which involve "illnesses" whose symptoms are either self-induced or falsified by the patient. It is also sometimes known as hospital addiction syndrome,to me.
yes i believe you should be truly disabled to have an evc, or if we all had one none of us would get the 'special treatment' you think you should....

 

[dazzer68]

3. You pratically need an airhorn to get through the crowds with it.

why should you though? people who are lucky enough to be able to walk dont go through the parks shouting ''out of my way im coming through if you dont im going to run into you!'' so why should some one in a evc be able to do it with a horn?
wow this is a tough nut to crack.

 

[coachz]

huh>

I agree with you for the following reasons:

1. It seems hardly anyone in the park knows their capabilites and how to handle them.

2. That it's ok to judge someone who uses an ECV instead of a wheelchair.

3. You pratically need an airhorn to get through the crowds with it.

expecting people to 'get out of the way of a 50 pound vehicle' isn't respectfull...it's ok for others to have an attitude about evcs..still a free country..evc users attitude 'get through the crowds', hey you're part of the crowd..just move at the same speed as everyone else..really athletic people are courteous enought NOT to sprint THROUGH the crowd even though they are ABLE to.

 

[mpoppins217]

I'm a little bit confused so I just wanted some clarification. You are not disabled, am I correct. You are physically able to withstand a day's worth of walking but chose not to. (and please don't get angry I'm not judging I just wanted to clarify before I made a decision, which is what you're asking people to do).

 

[danpam1024]

.... I'm sorry I expected to be treated reasonably at Disneyworld, after paying 75$ to rent an ECV.

I want to be the first person to coin the title "EVC Snob". :sohappy:
I'm looking into (c) and TM protection.


DW here, you're lucky, only paying $75 a day....most people pay with a lifetime of disability.