I'm gonna say right up front.. I'm unlikely to get to all your points because I have a real job and frankly 90% of your argument is just the same stuff spun a bit.
While you claim the "old" stories are milked and dead, 2025 Disney+ streaming data proves the exact opposite. People are voting with their remotes, look at this top 5, and they are choosing the "Lord of the Rings" equivalent in worldbuilding while rejecting the "Hobbit" cash grab.
- #1 The Phantom Menace
- #2 Revenge of the Sith
- #3 Attack of the Clones
- #4 A New Hope
- #5 The Empire Strikes Back
Notice what isn't there? The sequels. The Last Jedi and Solo are legitimate streaming black holes. Disney built a land based on the franchise's least popular era which is not future-proofing but more like ignoring the entire Lord of the Rings trilogy to build a land based solely on The Hobbit sequels because they were "newer." It’s betting on the filler instead of the foundation.
Let's go through this.. First, Congratulations on your promotion to Captain Hindsight. The sequels were released between 2015 and 2019. Do you need a reminder of when SWGE was being developed?
You blame the company for wanting a theme park product that actually works with the PRODUCT THEY ARE CREATING FOR THE NEXT DECADE? Listen to yourself and stop acting like a decade of hindsight is common knowledge YEARS BEFORE IT HAPPENED.
Second - Notice your own list has... wait for it.. NOT OT FILMS at the top. Should Lucas never have made the prequels because everyone wanted to know what happened to Luke and Leia after ROTJ?
I have zero against creating new stories, but even if they turned out to be good, I question the judgment to lock them in a Sequel timeline without including much of the most expansive worldbuilding of any world in human history, which has taken decades, literally cast aside in favor of a safe, puritan-friendly land.
You have zero against creating new stories? Yet.. your 'solution' is to just retread known characters as if that fixes all. You say this, yet every action and retort is companies should just recycle what was already done.
Your comment proves I’m the only one looking at the math while you swallow marketing terms. You’re arguing from a 2018 theoretical playbook; I’m citing the 2025 reality that anyone with a brain saw coming under Iger.
Literally you're trying to use insight from 10yrs later as justification to decisions made in 2013-2014.. Maybe you're Admiral Hindsight...
The goal of a $2B+ investment across two identical lands was to actually resonate, and the data proves this strategy failed. The Sequel Trilogy bled half its audience (dropping from $2B to $1B—an insane decline in a year with Frozen 2 or Endgame making $1.4B and $2.7B). Consequently, the land failed to capture non-Disney fans the way Harry Potter did for non-Universal fans and just based on anecdotal discussions in my own life and reading online, this seems very apparent it's because a lot of people were sort of sick of the direction things went.
ALL THINGS THAT HAPPENED AFTERWARDS. Do you think Disney should have borrowed Doc Brown's delorean and gone back and stopped them? SW GE wasn't built after the Sequel Trilogy flopped. It was designed and conceived while the sequel trilogy was being developed.
Contrast that with Pandora! Cameron demanded strict quality control, and the result was higher attendance from a smaller, cheaper land based on a 'weaker' franchise domestically. Almost like it could be foretold as well... Disney’s Star Wars Sequel merch and cosplay appeal cratered because the stories, characters, and worldbuilding were weak, rather than admitting the films were directionless slop.
This is back to what was said before... "the problem was they simply they weren't good stories they came up with"
You're trying to argue a decade later they should have never committed to their new stories because they flopped, with insight after the fact.
Timeless themed environments aren’t built around specific actors’ faces as they’re built around icons: planets, ships, mythology. Nobody in 2019 was demanding a Harrison Ford animatronic in his 70s; having a younger character animatronic would function just like Indiana Jones Adventure, which opens in 2027...
Yet you contradict yourself where just before you tried to argue Hondo was a mistake instead of giving us Maul or other characters.
The Indiana Jones ride is a great example of your short sighted take on this whole topic. The Indiana Jones ride is not a pillar of a generational franchise building plan to capitalize on a 4 Billion dollar one in a lifetime investment (Hint: SWGE was...). The Indiana Jones ride is just a theme park ride. Disney isn't retheming Dinosaur to it as part of a multi-prong strategy to drive growth from the Lucasfilm acquisition. It's being done because it's the same ride system and a clone of a world class winning attraction.
Imagine if Disney built SWLand around Tatootine and then spent the next 10yrs creating amazing stories everyone wanted to experience... and instead Disney is like "NOPE! You told us you wanted OT.. so OT is what you got". It's literally the most contradictory thing the company could do.. and kids growing up would be like "where is the Ashoka ride?" and you'd have to tell them "Sorry kid, don't you like Lando Calrissian?"
People wanted design elements and the worldbuilding from Tatooine, Endor, Hoth, Naboo, and Coruscant.
So you wanted more pigs... "but I'm not against creating new stories" -- Right.. you just want to keep repeating the same ones.
You can literally make up an entirely new location if it just takes design cues from them rather than focusing on one specifically, but they really didn't at all.
You think Batuu doesn't have 'design cues' from the SW universe? It literally is a town with a space port, cantina, market, etc. If anything people could cry it's a knock-off of tatooine instead of being unique enough...
Does anyone even know new planets from the new trilogy? Just plopping down the Falcon in the land without little attachment to the characters that made Falcon itself interesting?
Again, ignoring how essentially every planet and culture is introduced in SW.. We learn to love them AFTERWARDS, not before.
If the goal was "new stories," why isn't there a single reference to Exegol or the High Republic in the land today? Because even Disney knows that "new" generally stuff isn't working, and calling me an idiot doesn't change the fact that Imagineering’s original plan was exactly what I described.
Sorry, if we throw around 'imagineer' that is somehow equivalent to Divine authority now?
Exegol or High Republic? The first hadn't been flushed out yet in the sequel plots.. so again, hindsight. High Republic is an entirely different era. Are we just throwing stuff around and ignoring all time and consistency now?
Walt understood the concept that Familiarity and Excellence trumps Forced Originality.
What? He used old stories because he liked the story.. not because he knew his audience knew the tale. The quote was brought up because people nagged him to do exactly what you are saying... GIVE US MORE OF WHAT WE LOVE.. and Walt was instead insistent on creating NEW stuff for you to love.
Walt amplified timeless tales. Iger greenlit a land that deliberately ignored 40 years of beloved stories for a blank slate that had zero cultural footprint except for being "New Star Wars," not because it was inherently better but becasue of arrogance, which in of itself literally just relies on better movies and worldbuilding to even exist. That’s not what Walt did at all. It's purely arrogance by Iger, and the market punished it with attendance coming in 20-30% below projections in year one AFAIK.
Your promotion to Admiral Hindsight is granted..
Your whole mindset is shortsighted and singlar focused on a theme park land... you're playing checkers while Disney was playing chess with a global conglomerate working to advance for decades to come.
Walt used steamboats and Tom Sawyer because Mark Twain was still relevant nearly 100 years later, because he made them immersive experiences, which oftentimes relied on classic stories and Americana.
No, Walt took his personal interests and passions and made them into reality in his pet project with the bet that others would find solace in the harmonized and idealized fantasyland he would create. He literally created the 'rose colored glasses' version of the 1800s because of his ideals and bet the immersion would woo guests.
You’re quoting Walt to defend a CEO who is in real-time sandblasting Walt’s legacy
No, I'm countering an argument that says "recycle because its popular" instead of creating new. Your insistence on name dropping Iger every 3rd line just goes to show how you're going at this as some internet fanboi critic instead of objectively. What was your profile on here before you created this account just to create this post?
This is completely wrong.
Universal built Hogsmeade and Diagon Alley, which were 100% classic era before they touched Fantastic Beasts.
Once again, you show your lack of understand.. trying to compare things that 'look alike' instead of realizing they are completely different things.
Let's look at how Disney's SWGE intentions are so very different from UNI Creative's take on HP land 1 and 2.
1 - Comcast doesn't own Harry Potter - Comcast isn't responsible for driving the future of the franchise
2 - Comcast wasn't developing new Harry Potter lore and characters
3 - Comcast didn't just complete a 4billion dollar acquisition and wasn't laying out the plan on how to leverage the diverse divisions of the company to fuel growth from that acquisition
4 - Comcast was building in a complete greenfield - They had no existing HP attractions nor HP theme park products.. of course you're gonna build Hogwarts.
5 - The HP films and books were of the current generations.. Literally the HP story arc movies were still being made when the land was designed. The target audience for the land had grown up with those films. Contrast with SW OT which was 30+yrs old at the time and had a long history of expanding beyond the OT
And years later when there was more of an extended HP lore.. and films like Fantastic Beasts had been a thing.. they did start leaning into those new spots and characters.
Stop being a theme park fanboi and step up and realize Disney is operating more than a theme park.
That is exactly what Disney did, which is why we ended up with what we did; ironically, so much of the Sequels relied on having Han Solo, Luke, and Leia all come back for marketing only to somehow squander that too. I just look back to the teaser for Force Awakens and it's like man, they could've taken it in an interesting direction.
Again... "the problem was they simply they weren't good stories they came up with"