Does anyone else feel the urgency to visit WDW at this point more than ever?

Walt Disney1955

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The reason being is that Disney is in a tailspin right now. Their movies are just horrible and even when they try and piggyback on Walt's legendary success like Snow White, they make a live action "remake" and have the main actor just trash the original story and concept. Despite the fact that there isn't a Disney company without the success of Snow White in 1937. I am wondering if Disney is just too deep into things now where there isn't any turning back. This is a company that set the standard for animated movies and even had some classic live action films. I am trying hard to think of the last movie that Disney created that was any good. Or that had a lot of popularity. Would it be Frozen?

Anyway, the lack of creativity, the wading into political culture and the fact that there is just a deliberate breaking away from the roots of the company and and ignoring of the guest experience is just a couple of things that come to mind. There is an old story about how Walt first rode Jungle Cruise and was livid with how the ride only lasted 3 minutes or so. He pointed out how they paid a lot of money for the animatronics and how the guests weren't getting the whole experience that he wanted. Imagine, a CEO wanting to emphasize how much bang for your buck the guests got. It isn't something you figure Bob Iger or Bob Chapek would say. It doesn't seem like something Disney has really deliberately tried to do. If there would be a complaint nowadays from up above you figure it would be because there isn't a gift shop to gauge the customer on the way out.

It makes you miss the 1990s Disney experience that seemed to put a lot more emphasis on families enjoying their day. And there isn't a Roy Disney Jr. anymore, or a Michael Eisner to help flip things around. I am not saying it can't happen, but there has to be a major overhaul of things for them to go back to their roots.

So basically what I am saying is that with the quality of movies out my thought is the parks are the next casualties. I think the parks still have enough "old school Disney" mentality in them to make it worthwhile but I am concerned that they are next on the chopping block all in favor of profit, while sacrificing quality. So do other people feel that there is an urgency to visit them now before things crumble?
 

Marionnette

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I have no burning desire to visit the parks. In fact, I rented out all of my DVC points for this year. Between Genie+, the park reservation system and no hopping until 2 PM, we are just done with the parks until we see things move in a positive direction. Our trip last November pretty much solidified our resolve. Getting "stuck" in HS until 2 PM with ROTR, RnR and ToT all down during the morning was ridiculous.

Where the company stands politically or socially has very little influence on our decision. Paying premium prices for a bargain basement experience is the major reason.

We have a transatlantic cruise booked for 2024 and a European river cruise booked for 2025. If we head to WDW at all during the next two years, it will be because we have a symposium located there where we can pick up almost all of the CEUs that we need to renew our licenses.
 

Walt Disney1955

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I have no burning desire to visit the parks. In fact, I rented out all of my DVC points for this year. Between Genie+, the park reservation system and no hopping until 2 PM, we are just done with the parks until we see things move in a positive direction. Our trip last November pretty much solidified our resolve. Getting "stuck" in HS until 2 PM with ROTR, RnR and ToT all down during the morning was ridiculous.

Where the company stands politically or socially has very little influence on our decision. Paying premium prices for a bargain basement experience is the major reason.

We have a transatlantic cruise booked for 2024 and a European river cruise booked for 2025. If we head to WDW at all during the next two years, it will be because we have a symposium located there where we can pick up almost all of the CEUs that we need to renew our licenses.

I hear you. The prices are just downright depressing. At the risk of saying "Walt would be rolling in his grave" I have to still say that yeah, he would have that people are being priced out of things. I can see the cheap days to go to Magic Kingdom are still $124. Ouch. If I were by myself then fine, I bite it, but a family of 5, that just burns more and more.
 

Bleed0range

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With the way their pricing has gone up but their guest experience has gone down it has really soured my opinion on the "magic" of the parks. I don't particularly feel a burning desire to go now since I've managed to experience all the new stuff they finally finished, including Tron. Now, if they announce some new exciting stuff and/or make the guest experience better, maybe I'd want to go.
 

Beacon Joe

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Not really. The parks have been in a tailspin for a long time. Maybe even before all of the forced and cringe IP insertion synergy stuff really hit critical mass.

If anything, the only urge I have now related to Disney parks is to visit Tokyo Disneyland and DisneySea if/when I ever visit Japan. Previously, the thought of wasting a day of any trip overseas to visit a Disney park would have never crossed my mind.
 

Sans Souci

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No, WDW and I are on an indefinite break.

My SIL in the UK was asking me about going to WDW next year. She hasn't been since 2006. She is married with two boys now and she was shocked when I told her they charge for FastPass now, that you are encouraged to select rides before you even enter the park and the a la carte pricing on some of the newer attractions. She still might go as part of a larger trip to the US, but it adds more cost to an already expensive trip from England.
 

No Name

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I am trying hard to think of the last movie that Disney created that was any good. Or that had a lot of popularity. Would it be Frozen?
Encanto, Zootopia, Coco, Black Panther, The Force Awakens, Avatar The Way of Water, to name just a few. They’ve been struggling more than usual lately but to say their movies are just horrible sounds like your own opinion doesn’t line up with most people’s.

the wading into political culture
They are actually less political than they’ve been before, there’s just more people creating a fuss about it.
 

JIMINYCR

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Yes. With lower crowds I can go back to the days where I can walk through the parks without bumping into someone. Lines are manageable. Dining reservations can be made without checking back day after day hoping someone cancels and opens up a table. The state of some things are bad, not entirely, but at this time I can use it for my advantage.
Things are going to change. The state of the parks will rebound and once again the parks will be a much more unpleasant place to be with wall to wall people. Disney had been through bad times before and managed to bounce back.
 

ppete1975

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The reason being is that Disney is in a tailspin right now. Their movies are just horrible and even when they try and piggyback on Walt's legendary success like Snow White, they make a live action "remake" and have the main actor just trash the original story and concept. Despite the fact that there isn't a Disney company without the success of Snow White in 1937. I am wondering if Disney is just too deep into things now where there isn't any turning back. This is a company that set the standard for animated movies and even had some classic live action films. I am trying hard to think of the last movie that Disney created that was any good. Or that had a lot of popularity. Would it be Frozen?

Anyway, the lack of creativity, the wading into political culture and the fact that there is just a deliberate breaking away from the roots of the company and and ignoring of the guest experience is just a couple of things that come to mind. There is an old story about how Walt first rode Jungle Cruise and was livid with how the ride only lasted 3 minutes or so. He pointed out how they paid a lot of money for the animatronics and how the guests weren't getting the whole experience that he wanted. Imagine, a CEO wanting to emphasize how much bang for your buck the guests got. It isn't something you figure Bob Iger or Bob Chapek would say. It doesn't seem like something Disney has really deliberately tried to do. If there would be a complaint nowadays from up above you figure it would be because there isn't a gift shop to gauge the customer on the way out.

It makes you miss the 1990s Disney experience that seemed to put a lot more emphasis on families enjoying their day. And there isn't a Roy Disney Jr. anymore, or a Michael Eisner to help flip things around. I am not saying it can't happen, but there has to be a major overhaul of things for them to go back to their roots.

So basically what I am saying is that with the quality of movies out my thought is the parks are the next casualties. I think the parks still have enough "old school Disney" mentality in them to make it worthwhile but I am concerned that they are next on the chopping block all in favor of profit, while sacrificing quality. So do other people feel that there is an urgency to visit them now before things crumble?
No.

As far as the movies, what was the last one that was horrible. THAT you personally watched, and arent going off the media and its agenda. Everyone I hear saying the movies arent any good I ask them and they havent seen any of them. And if so how many did you see in a theater (which is a completely different experience)

I admit the MCU movies are not what they were in the first 4 phases (they already used the best characters debatably), but they arent horrible some are actually enjoyable (minus eternals)

I dont agree with some casting choices they have made, and im a bit worried about the leaks of snow white.

But I go see these movies and so far have not been disappointed, although i would rather they try original and not rehashed stories from their past. But as far as the movies they are good.
 

Figments Friend

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No, WDW and I are on an indefinite break.

My SIL in the UK was asking me about going to WDW next year. She hasn't been since 2006. She is married with two boys now and she was shocked when I told her they charge for FastPass now, that you are encouraged to select rides before you even enter the park and the a la carte pricing on some of the newer attractions. She still might go as part of a larger trip to the US, but it adds more cost to an already expensive trip from England.

I would recommend she visit Disneyland Paris instead.
She will be able to get a better experience, pay less, and have less travel time to get there with her boys in tow.

It is the most beautiful Disney Park on the planet.
WDW is a sad shadow of the majesty it used to be.

-
 

Walt Disney1955

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Encanto, Zootopia, Coco, Black Panther, The Force Awakens, Avatar The Way of Water, to name just a few. They’ve been struggling more than usual lately but to say their movies are just horrible sounds like your own opinion doesn’t line up with most people’s.


They are actually less political than they’ve been before, there’s just more people creating a fuss about it.

The problem is Disney has killed something that was once great in Star Wars. They even made Luke Skywalker a very unlikeable character. I am far from a Star Wars nerd, but I did grow up with the movies and it just seems like this was the beginning of when Disney just ignored what made original things great and went their own path. The new Snow White is just a continuation of the things they have been doing for a long time now. But even then there wasn't a cast member of Star Wars that I can remember trashing the original movies, like with Snow White.

They lack original ideas and creativity. The parks show this as well as there hasn't been a non-IP ride of any impact since Everest was built.

They can rebound, but they have to tear down things and go back to their roots.
 

jloucks

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No, but If by tailspin you mean lower crowd levels, then sure, I'd be eager to return even with Six Flags level quality. I don't do crowds anymore on my own volition.
 

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