Do you think buffett location servers deserve 18% grat

[Scuttle]

If they don't like being paid $4.23 an hour they can go work somewhere else where the free market dictates a greater demand for their services.

What an ignorant comment. Typical republican talk. The service industry has payed my way through flight school. So you do realize that these jobs are stepping stones for people to get to the next level right? Without my service gigs I'd be 100 grand in debt with flight school expenses.

 

[LuvtheGoof]

We have no problem tipping the 18% if the server cleans the plates and drink refills are plentiful. Remember that even at some TS restaurants, your server doesn't actually bring you the food, as some places have runners to make sure that you get your order when it is ready, and not when the server is ready. Do you tip less at those places? At others, sometimes your server only takes your initial order, and other people fill your drinks and take away your food. Then the server comes back to give you the check. Would you tip less there? The answer is not always an easy one. We eat at Crystal Palace every trip, and have always had stellar service. Multiple juice refills, coffee refills, and never a dirty plate just sitting around. That person will always get the 18% from us.

 

[lebeau]

I tend to tip too much. I always start with 20% (easy to calculate). If my service was good, I round up. If it's bad, I round down. Either way, you get with a buck of 20%. If service is exceptional, I might round up to the nearest $5 or go with a higher percentage.

 

[psukardi]

What an ignorant comment. Typical republican talk. The service industry has payed my way through flight school. So you do realize that these jobs are stepping stones for people to get to the next level right? Without my service gigs I'd be 100 grand in debt with flight school expenses.

Typical Liberal talk. No need for personal responsibility in this country - let's just hand out whatever people want whenever they want. Socialism is great until you run out of everyone's money.

I worked multiple jobs the whole time I was in college. Included but not limited to: working at the cafeteria washing dishes for minimum wage; tech support (being serrated by people because their internet connection was craptastic) ; retail (working in a mall stocking shelves) and freelancing far below market rate for whatever I could.

I never once complained that I wasn't making enough. I took it upon myself to find creative solutions to the problem. It meant I didn't get to go out every weekend and drink and party. It meant I didn't go on Spring Break because I couldn't afford it. It meant I wasn't wearing A&F and Puma and whatever else was in style at the time.

But you're right- let's just mandate that every waitress/waiter get a nice 15-20% tip regardless of the service they perform - because well that's the best way to spread the wealth. How dare those evil conservatives that work hard get to keep their money.

Better yet - why don't you just take it out of your own pocket if you seem to know what's best for everyone.

 

[flynnibus]

Actually... servers do not make minimum wage.

Incorrect - they are gaurnteed minimum wage. If their pay + tips doesn't equate to at least min. wage the employer is required to make up the delta. And in several states, they can't play that game AT ALL. Florida allows employers to 'assume' a $3.02 tip/hr part of their wage, meaning they pay $4.65 in salary. But if the employee doesn't make enough to pass what would equate to $7.67 /hr, the employer is required to pay the delta.

$3/hr = One $20 order an hour if they are getting ~15%

I don't think anywhere in WDW are servers struggling to get well beyond a single $20 order an hour.

 

[flynnibus]

What an ignorant comment. Typical republican talk. The service industry has payed my way through flight school. So you do realize that these jobs are stepping stones for people to get to the next level right? Without my service gigs I'd be 100 grand in debt with flight school expenses.

And it would appear being paid a wage less than minimum wage has not held you back from making far better than that in your job?

The point is the hourly wage is low, with the expectation of the employee EARNING more.

It's no different than a sales guy getting a pathetic salary because he is expected to EARN much more money through their comp. plan. If they don't perform, they don't get paid well. If a server underperforms, their wages will reflect it.

Wait staff aren't paid so low because they are expected to make dirt... they are paid low because they are expected to make significantly more in tips. The employer has shifted the compensation to the patron.

Wait staff are far more likely to see more of that 15-20% increase in total bill as a tip.. than if the resturant just raised prices 15-20% and increased wages with the money.

 

[ExtinctJenn]

Incorrect - they are gaurnteed minimum wage. If their pay + tips doesn't equate to at least min. wage the employer is required to make up the delta. And in several states, they can't play that game AT ALL.

My point was only that their hourly wage is not minimum wage. Lots of folks think it's minimum plus tips. It is sometimes but on a bad day it can be just minimum after the tips are figured in.

 

[lebeau]

Incorrect - they are gaurnteed minimum wage.

It's been a long time since the one summer I spent waiting tables. But in no way was I guaranteed minimum wage by my employer. If I didn't get my tips, I was SOL.

 

[lebeau]

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[tdpolo26]

It's been a long time since the one summer I spent waiting tables. But in no way was I guaranteed minimum wage by my employer. If I didn't get my tips, I was SOL.

when was the last time you saw a empty buffet at disney... especially one with characters.... Everyone commenting about the rest of the world is right....but this is disney and they rarely have a open reservation.... one time i saw a open seat but it was only cause the kid was standing next to it at Chef mickey's. I should have been more specific i guess in my title but this is about DISNEY buffet servers.

 

[tdpolo26]

My point was only that their hourly wage is not minimum wage. Lots of folks think it's minimum plus tips. It is sometimes but on a bad day it can be just minimum after the tips are figured in.

this is true at your ma and pa diners and the single remaining ponderosa... but most of us could not find a open seat at disney 85% of the year. I really should have put disney down.

 

[lebeau]

when was the last time you saw a empty buffet at disney... especially one with characters.... Everyone commenting about the rest of the world is right....but this is disney and they rarely have a open reservation.... one time i saw a open seat but it was only cause the kid was standing next to it at Chef mickey's. I should have been more specific i guess in my title but this is about DISNEY buffet servers.

I said before that I tend to tip too much. This is true in real life, but it is even more so at Disney. I practically bleed money while I am there. Any time I have a tip imposed upon me, it is always less than I would have tipped on my own. If the service is good, I'll throw some more down.

I don't judge others for their tipping practices. But if I am eating with somone I feel is undertipping, I'll up my tip to compensate.

My dad has something he calls a "lunch tip". Any time I have lunch with my dad I have to creatively sneak money to the waiter.

 

[flynnibus]

The whole looking at hourly wage thing for tipped employees is a redherring anyways. They are gauranteed a pay. And many service jobs make far far far far more because they are largely paid by their tips and performance and not being held back by a fixed pay scale.

A server who is making 20% than his/her coworker who sucks.. isn't going to be crying that they wished they all got paid better hourly wages which could hurt the imaging of expectations of tips in this country. Just so the sucky coworker could make just as much as the good worker... while the good worker may make less than they could previously.

No risk? No reward

Asking for better hourly pay is a way to ultimately impact earned tips.. killing people's 'upside'

 

[flynnibus]

It's been a long time since the one summer I spent waiting tables. But in no way was I guaranteed minimum wage by my employer. If I didn't get my tips, I was SOL.

This is illegal. As simple wait staff, you couldn't be classified as an independent contractor, so the employer is REQUIRED to pay you the state mandated minimum wage. There are exceptions when an employer is excempt.. but simply being a resturant/server is NOT one of them.

This is illegal for the employer - yet they do it so they don't have to pay taxes the same on you. It's often used generally the same as 'paying people under the table'.

 

[tdpolo26]

The whole looking at hourly wage thing for tipped employees is a redherring anyways. They are gauranteed a pay. And many service jobs make far far far far more because they are largely paid by their tips and performance and not being held back by a fixed pay scale.

A server who is making 20% than his/her coworker who sucks.. isn't going to be crying that they wished they all got paid better hourly wages which could hurt the imaging of expectations of tips in this country. Just so the sucky coworker could make just as much as the good worker... while the good worker may make less than they could previously.

No risk? No reward

Asking for better hourly pay is a way to ultimately impact earned tips.. killing people's 'upside'

realistically disney could easily give them all 15 dollars an hour and raise all our food prices 18 % and disney would make a killing. The servers would have a fit.... because i bet you there is not even a busser that makes under 15 an hour after tips. Alot of banquet places went to straight pay and half the staff quit because they get screwed and it promotes mediocracy, why be a better server when you already got your money.

 

[tdpolo26]

This is illegal. As simple wait staff, you couldn't be classified as an independent contractor, so the employer is REQUIRED to pay you the state mandated minimum wage. There are exceptions when an employer is excempt.. but simply being a resturant/server is NOT one of them.

This is illegal for the employer - yet they do it so they don't have to pay taxes the same on you. It's often used generally the same as 'paying people under the table'.

most people dont claim on it be cause they are afraid of blow back... but disney tips and pay should all be automated so i have a feeling that this never comes up anyways.
At other places where they might not claim all there tips they might not raise a stink because they dont want to get turned in for tax fraud.
I worked years as a server just like scuttle but nothing made me more mad then another server getting the same pay for crap work. I always wished they would get a piece of paper with a tip like "get a new job and attitude"

 

[tdpolo26]

I said before that I tend to tip too much. This is true in real life, but it is even more so at Disney. I practically bleed money while I am there. Any time I have a tip imposed upon me, it is always less than I would have tipped on my own. If the service is good, I'll throw some more down.

I don't judge others for their tipping practices. But if I am eating with somone I feel is undertipping, I'll up my tip to compensate.

My dad has something he calls a "lunch tip". Any time I have lunch with my dad I have to creatively sneak money to the waiter.

oh i agree alot of time i tip more then the imposed tip.
I guess it bugs me the most because i was trained by a le cordon bleu server and buffet servers are not well trained at disney most times and dont do alot for the money . The excuse tip well because they need it does not fly with me. I tip well for good service. nobody pays me extra because i am having a bad week. I think 15 percent to 10 percent (for bad service is more relevant) average buffet price is 26 dollars even at 10 percent that is 2.60 a person x over minimum of 20 people an hour is 50 dollars an hour. There are people with mba's that dont make that. that means some of them are over. Even if they only make that pay 20 hours a week they make 50,000 a year. That is decent living as far as i am concerned. Oh in my calculation i didnt even include the measaly 3.25 an hour or whatever it is they make.
Now you look at the full service guy who runs the food both ways takes they orders. makes recommendations on food and paces your meal. he can only hand 1/2 to 2/3 the amount of people, and generally that guy has to tip out to bartenders and bussers. my heart bleeds for that guy a lot more. They get the extra tip money in my mind

 

[luv]

That's why there are labor laws in this country to protect the individual. There are state minimum wages to ensure the server is making at least that. I'd rather the establishment raise the price of their items 12% and let their employees make a more livable wage instead of me having to subsidize their income.

There was a time where tipping 10% was customary. Then it shifted to 15%. Now it's sliding toward 18%. I'm not saying the server should be out in the cold with the unwashed masses shaking a tin-cup asking for money for food. I'm saying, instead of making me the bad guy here who has to tip regardless of the quality of service, fix the problem.

When I go to a restaurant and have poor service - the burden shouldn't be on me to tip the waiter/waitress 15%-20% because "they don't have another option".

If you can't afford to tip or don't want to, there is nobody forcing you to do so.

And if your server sucks, you shouldn't tip them a lot. That would just encourage them to continue sucking. That's how the whole thing works. They get paid based on whether or not they are pleasant and do a good job. The ones who are good continue doing it and make money. The ones who suck have to quit because they don't make enough.

It's actually far more capitalistic than socialist, if you must view it that way. See how long the servers continue doing their jobs as well as they do when they are going to get $8/hr regardless of whether they go above and beyond or not.

But all servers get stiffed occasionally. If you don't want to tip on your expensive wine, don't. You won't be the first or last person who pays a lot for a meal but doesn't tip well.