DLP Trip July 2012 - WOW!

marni1971

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Back from 4 days 3 nights. What a trip. I was prepared for a huge drop in standards. I shouldn't have worried. Breifly:

Sequoia Lodge, 5th floor Montana lake room. Refurbed 3 weeks ago. Lovely. Floors 6 and 7 still being updated and are closed to guests. Even our corridor smelled and looked like new.

Promonade work around the New York being done. Some lighting was out at night, felt a bit too dark. Shame.

New security bag check is in place. Much better. The sterile area is now all the village, the cinema area, the new World of Disney and both parks. A new fence, still being built, divides the espelande/plaza between the rail station and the village / parks. You can park hop and park to village hop without being searched again. It also means hotel guests no longer encounter the salespeople and tat sellers between the bus station and parks. It also means you can see the front plaza of the studios in all its glory finally.

World of Disney store - very nice. Not huge, but very spacious and a nice place to browse. The M&M statues outside have people climbing all over the lighting of photos, meaning some spotlights are broken already. Speaking of guests, there is still a definite European feeling in DLP with visitors. Pushing and shoving happens more. Not terribly, but enough to notice. And smoking areas are ignored in the parks. There seems to be a real culture clash compared to the US. Smoking anywhere outside, and in some outdoor lines. It's almost an unenforceable issue. It didn't help the parks were VERY busy. Yes, it was weekend in July, but I've never known it so popular. Very nice to see but maybe not for the first timer. The studios (WDSP) was TOO busy given it's small onstage footprint and design needing constant backtracking across the park. The sooner the actual guest acreage is expanded the better. It's too small now, and on a day like Sunday no longer do-able in an 10am-7pm day.

The parks: Disneyland Parc

The 20th spruce up was noticeable in most areas. Very nice. Main St and Fantasyland looked stunning in particular. Aside from a cleaners strike and protest inside the park on Sunday which meant EMH guests saw the area between the DL Hotel and train station covered in litter. And a thousand managers on walkie talkies herding guests around the peripheral. More than a few little areas had paint or wood issues, but you had to look to see them. Same with lighting issues on the DL hotel. Nowhere near as bad as the GF in WDW but clearly more than bulb issues; whole areas were dark. It didn't detract much though. And the same lighting on the Newport Bay Resort was surprisingly complete. Worthy of note:

Ride show quality was stunning. In Phantom Manor I counted one animatronic (the Mayor) with issues and one smoke machine faulty (the bride finale) but nothing else wrong.

Big Thundermountain went 101 on Sundays opening, and took a while to reopen. Once it did it looked great. All water, including splash, worked. Smoking chimneys. Working machines in mine and line. Smoking TNT explosion. And.... animated fibre optic AND strobe falling rocks (above track)

Pirates of the Caribbean - never looked so good. Get ready for this. Cloud projections. Lift hill pulleys. Fighting pirates projections. Cannon explosions. SWINGING Pirate! DUELLING ANIMATRONIC pirates! All working!! The latter 2 had been missing for maybe years. Aside from missing effects on the 2nd drop which seemed to be swapped for the onside photo flash sadly the ride looked and sounded amazing.
As a note, we rode on Saturday and all the A100s on the left side were static. Dead. This is poor show I thought. We got to unload, and noticed load was empty. Sure enough, the ride was classed 101 until the figures were reanimated. The ride was constantly at 45 minutes wait.

Buzz Lightyear - FAR better than WDW. Longer. Bigger. Better visuals. And removable guns. The pre show Buzz was under refurb though, and the whole area was behind a themed wall.

Space Mountain - 2 rides, 2 issues with onboard audio. Heavy bass but no real music discernible. However, the visuals were amazing. So clear. Almost as if every projector was new. Spinning meteors. Supernova. Comet flyby. Starfields. All so so clear and bright. Lovely.

Small World - perfect. A few animatronics were missing, but at least they were removed and not static. Casual guests wouldn't know.

3pm anniversary parade... at 7pm. Nice to see, but the music was far too short and repetitious. I'm surprised the same comments weren't taken on board since April.

Fantillusion - still stunning. If anything, even more lighting effects than I remember. Sadly the further down the route you sat the less show stops you saw. Knocks DEP and Spectro for six.

Dreams! - simply amazing. As a fireworks show it will disappoint, like Fantasmic! would. But as a show by itself it is stunning. And with park hours for hotel guests from 8am to 11pm every day it was a perfect end to the day with it's 11pm showing. The projections blend with the castle perfectly. The fountains were a surprisingly integral part of the show no matter where you watched from. The pyro was well used. The lasers laughed at ROE. I also noted the projectors were set so far back on the Main St roofs they are invisible unless stood on the castle drawbridge and you looked back.

I guess you can tell I was impressed. Studios report and more coming soon.
 

Crush Dude!

Back from WDW!Counting down to DLP in November!
Back from 4 days 3 nights. What a trip. I was prepared for a huge drop in standards. I shouldn't have worried. Breifly:

Sequoia Lodge, 5th floor Montana lake room. Refurbed 3 weeks ago. Lovely. Floors 6 and 7 still being updated and are closed to guests. Even our corridor smelled and looked like new.

Promonade work around the New York being done. Some lighting was out at night, felt a bit too dark. Shame.

New security bag check is in place. Much better. The sterile area is now all the village, the cinema area, the new World of Disney and both parks. A new fence, still being built, divides the espelande/plaza between the rail station and the village / parks. You can park hop and park to village hop without being searched again. It also means hotel guests no longer encounter the salespeople and tat sellers between the bus station and parks. It also means you can see the front plaza of the studios in all its glory finally.

World of Disney store - very nice. Not huge, but very spacious and a nice place to browse. The M&M statues outside have people climbing all over the lighting of photos, meaning some spotlights are broken already. Speaking of guests, there is still a definite European feeling in DLP with visitors. Pushing and shoving happens more. Not terribly, but enough to notice. And smoking areas are ignored in the parks. There seems to be a real culture clash compared to the US. Smoking anywhere outside, and in some outdoor lines. It's almost an unenforceable issue. It didn't help the parks were VERY busy. Yes, it was weekend in July, but I've never known it so popular. Very nice to see but maybe not for the first timer. The studios (WDSP) was TOO busy given it's small onstage footprint and design needing constant backtracking across the park. The sooner the actual guest acreage is expanded the better. It's too small now, and on a day like Sunday no longer do-able in an 10am-7pm day.

The parks: Disneyland Parc

The 20th spruce up was noticeable in most areas. Very nice. Main St and Fantasyland looked stunning in particular. Aside from a cleaners strike and protest inside the park on Sunday which meant EMH guests saw the area between the DL Hotel and train station covered in litter. And a thousand managers on walkie talkies herding guests around the peripheral. More than a few little areas had paint or wood issues, but you had to look to see them. Same with lighting issues on the DL hotel. Nowhere near as bad as the GF in WDW but clearly more than bulb issues; whole areas were dark. It didn't detract much though. And the same lighting on the Newport Bay Resort was surprisingly complete. Worthy of note:

Ride show quality was stunning. In Phantom Manor I counted one animatronic (the Mayor) with issues and one smoke machine faulty (the bride finale) but nothing else wrong.

Big Thundermountain went 101 on Sundays opening, and took a while to reopen. Once it did it looked great. All water, including splash, worked. Smoking chimneys. Working machines in mine and line. Smoking TNT explosion. And.... animated fibre optic AND strobe falling rocks (above track)

Pirates of the Caribbean - never looked so good. Get ready for this. Cloud projections. Lift hill pulleys. Fighting pirates projections. Cannon explosions. SWINGING Pirate! DUELLING ANIMATRONIC pirates! All working!! The latter 2 had been missing for maybe years. Aside from missing effects on the 2nd drop which seemed to be swapped for the onside photo flash sadly the ride looked and sounded amazing.
As a note, we rode on Saturday and all the A100s on the left side were static. Dead. This is poor show I thought. We got to unload, and noticed load was empty. Sure enough, the ride was classed 101 until the figures were reanimated. The ride was constantly at 45 minutes wait.

Buzz Lightyear - FAR better than WDW. Longer. Bigger. Better visuals. And removable guns. The pre show Buzz was under refurb though, and the whole area was behind a themed wall.

Space Mountain - 2 rides, 2 issues with onboard audio. Heavy bass but no real music discernible. However, the visuals were amazing. So clear. Almost as if every projector was new. Spinning meteors. Supernova. Comet flyby. Starfields. All so so clear and bright. Lovely.

Small World - perfect. A few animatronics were missing, but at least they were removed and not static. Casual guests wouldn't know.

3pm anniversary parade... at 7pm. Nice to see, but the music was far too short and repetitious. I'm surprised the same comments weren't taken on board since April.

Fantillusion - still stunning. If anything, even more lighting effects than I remember. Sadly the further down the route you sat the less show stops you saw. Knocks DEP and Spectro for six.

Dreams! - simply amazing. As a fireworks show it will disappoint, like Fantasmic! would. But as a show by itself it is stunning. And with park hours for hotel guests from 8am to 11pm every day it was a perfect end to the day with it's 11pm showing. The projections blend with the castle perfectly. The fountains were a surprisingly integral part of the show no matter where you watched from. The pyro was well used. The lasers laughed at ROE. I also noted the projectors were set so far back on the Main St roofs they are invisible unless stood on the castle drawbridge and you looked back.

I guess you can tell I was impressed. Studios report and more coming soon.

Awesome report so far Martin!

Looking forward to getting back to DLP during the Christmas season and CANNOT WAIT for Dreams ;)
 

wiigirl

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Awesome report...thank you! ;)
 

marni1971

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And onto Walt Disney Studios Paris. I wrote a few years ago about the lack of attractions and landscaping of this park. You can still see both berms of the park from one specific place, but the landscaping has blossomed as have the things to do, and the crowds.

It was a Sunday in July, yes, but the park was a victim of its own success. A 10-7 operating day is now insufficient to see all the park. Crushes Coaster was a 45 minute wait at opening, and stayed at that or more all day. With no fast pass system for it we didn't ride. Again, show quality was very good but the park needs physical expansion as opposed to just cramming more in. Toy Story Playland added minimal walk about space, though it was welcome for younger guests, and given its now a dead end with Rattatouie E Ticket construction blocking one of two exits it can be a traffic nightmare. And so, what we did ride:

Parachute Drop- a ten minute wait at ten thirty in the morning, which quickly grew. A tamer multiple drop ride for younger guests, but good fun with great views. A bit of a blot on the landscape but not as intrusive as I thought it may be. Nice queue theming on a low budget too, like most of the land.

Animagique- very fun and a full house at 3pm. A dark light stage show that offers a welcome sit down.

Cinemagique- same as above. Full house for the excellent live action/film attraction. The effects still work perfectly, bringing oohs and ahhs from the audience.

Armageddon- again, full capacity. Still boring waiting for the preshow in a cattle pen, the main show looked and sounded excellent. All flame and spark fx, dropping floor and falling ceiling worked perfectly. And lots of smoke. Refreshing to see an fx attraction with all fx working.

Rock n Rollercoaster- new all LED lighting and mist system looked fantastic. For those who don't know, this version is the same layout as Orlando but with the biggest lighting rig ever, in sync to each car. Sadly we had a miss launch meaning we sat still after zero, and unexpectedly shot forward with no music. But it happens. The ride as I said has never looked as good.

Twilight Zone Tower of Terror- same as the DCA version, with French ride spiels. All fx present and correct, with lines of an hour plus. I Ben noticed a dripping water pipe detail in the boiler room was working. That was a perfect example to me of how show quality had improved in both parks.

Motors Action was too busy to squeeze in, as was the mediocre Tram Tour. And also, although eating at noon and with busy lines for purchasing, the Backlot Restaurant had plenty of seating available for everyone.

And so, a park that has finally matured but needs to be physically bigger. Even Rat won't be enough to increase physical capacity let alone ride capacity. Or hours need to be increased to allow guests to see the gorgeous night lighting. This would lead to the need for a nighttime show, which again would need somewhere to show it. With Dreams! Scheduled to run all year as opposed to summer only this won't happen anytime soon. Until then peak times will have peak crowds.
 

Bolna

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Martin, thanks for the detailed report! Great to hear that you had such a good time.

I was at DLP in the spring and was rather dissappointed with the park then as it had lots of show quality issues. It seems that some have been adressed since then as I remember It's a Small World being in horrible condition. From the Christmas banners still being up in the queue to the dirt in the water outside to a number of dolls being stationary or missing.

Did you get any correct audio on any of your rides on Space Mountain or RnRC? That is one of my biggest disappointments with DLP: during the last three visits I never had audio on these rides. And since I find both very rough I don't really want to keep going on them again and again...

With regards to the hotels you certainly made the very best choice with the Sequoia Lodge - I just hope the others will get the same extensive refurbishment. Interesting that the lights on the Newport Bay Club were working - I guess it is a much prettier sight at night then than during the day when you can see the paint peeling...

I have some questions about your observations on a few issues I noticed in spring:

How was the availability of food in the evenings? We saw many counter service places closed despite the park being open late. In general I had the impression that the number of open food places did not relate to the crowds in the park. That is hopefully better during peak season?

How was the state of the restrooms and I am not talking about normal cleanliness. In the spring I got the impression that most restrooms were in need of a refurbishment as there seemed to be a lingering smell which I thought was not due to them not being clean, but just old. Reminded me of the ancient toilets one can find in some train stations.

But these things aside, it was great to hear someone who knows their stuff saying good things about show quality at DL. Especially since it looks like that I will be back there next month: that's the effect of getting an AP! :eek: Can't wait to see Dreams again! Oh - and on this topic: Can we expect a Dreams video to show up on your site at some point? That would be wonderful! :)
 

DznyRktekt

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Excellent report Marni! Thank you for the update on a beautiful park. Glad to hear that things are looking dapper. Haven't been to DLP since the summer of 2000, and am looking forward to visiting again someday.
 

marni1971

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How was the availability of food in the evenings? We saw many counter service places closed despite the park being open late. In general I had the impression that the number of open food places did not relate to the crowds in the park. That is hopefully better during peak season?

How was the state of the restrooms and I am not talking about normal cleanliness. In the spring I got the impression that most restrooms were in need of a refurbishment as there seemed to be a lingering smell which I thought was not due to them not being clean, but just old. Reminded me of the ancient toilets one can find in some train stations.

Can we expect a Dreams video to show up on your site at some point? That would be wonderful! :)

The food issues didn't seem to be an issue. I had read about the problems earlier in the year, and whilst I admit we didn't eat after waiting for Fantillusion or Dreams the times I did go to Main St for Coffees in the evening I did notice Caseys and the Cable Car / Bakery were open as normal. During the day, in both parks, I can count on one hand the places closed - and usually there was an open alternative next door (carts closed at park opening but cafes opposite open for example)

The restrooms in both parks again took me by surprise. They all have a modern, uniform look now and all seemed to be freshly refitted. All have air blade dryers which look new, with paper dispensers either still in situ and mostly empty or indeed removed. I didn't see any bad examples of cleanliness, more surprising given how busy the parks were. I do recall on Sunday night 4 of the 6 gents.... er..... facilities next to the baby care centre being bagged over by the end of the night. First thing the following morning all were working again.

I shot a good 15 hours of HD video, and accompanied by a friend have 6 angles of Dreams! to produce an edit with. I hope this will be available soon. Followed by Fantillusion, again multi angle, and then key attractions and a resort tour.
 

Crush Dude!

Back from WDW!Counting down to DLP in November!
The food issues didn't seem to be an issue. I had read about the problems earlier in the year, and whilst I admit we didn't eat after waiting for Fantillusion or Dreams the times I did go to Main St for Coffees in the evening I did notice Caseys and the Cable Car / Bakery were open as normal. During the day, in both parks, I can count on one hand the places closed - and usually there was an open alternative next door (carts closed at park opening but cafes opposite open for example)

The restrooms in both parks again took me by surprise. They all have a modern, uniform look now and all seemed to be freshly refitted. All have air blade dryers which look new, with paper dispensers either still in situ and mostly empty or indeed removed. I didn't see any bad examples of cleanliness, more surprising given how busy the parks were. I do recall on Sunday night 4 of the 6 gents.... er..... facilities next to the baby care centre being bagged over by the end of the night. First thing the following morning all were working again.

I shot a good 15 hours of HD video, and accompanied by a friend have 6 angles of Dreams! to produce an edit with. I hope this will be available soon. Followed by Fantillusion, again multi angle, and then key attractions and a resort tour.
Cannot wait for the videos martin ;)
 

marni1971

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Did you get any correct audio on any of your rides on Space Mountain or RnRC? That is one of my biggest disappointments with DLP: during the last three visits I never had audio on these rides. And since I find both very rough I don't really want to keep going on them again and again...
Two Space Mountain rides and no real on board audio except bass sadly. RnRC did begun to play but about ten seconds into the misfire it stopped. Interestingly I could hear what was offboard audio. There is some!
 

Horizonsfan

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Thanks for the report Marni! Glad to hear the most beautifully designed DL is actually looking beautiful!

And so, a park that has finally matured but needs to be physically bigger. Even Rat won't be enough to increase physical capacity let alone ride capacity. Or hours need to be increased to allow guests to see the gorgeous night lighting. This would lead to the need for a nighttime show, which again would need somewhere to show it. With Dreams! Scheduled to run all year as opposed to summer only this won't happen anytime soon. Until then peak times will have peak crowds.

Do you happen to know the maximum build-out area for WDS Marni? The park does look exceptionally small, and with there being no definitive berm, it's awfully difficult to imagine how much room the park has to work with.
 

marni1971

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Thanks for the report Marni! Glad to hear the most beautifully designed DL is actually looking beautiful!



Do you happen to know the maximum build-out area for WDS Marni? The park does look exceptionally small, and with there being no definitive berm, it's awfully difficult to imagine how much room the park has to work with.
The total designated area is defined by the RER/TGV lines, the perimeter ring road, and the west service area. I doubt it'd ever all be built on at once.
 

Figment82

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Martin, thank you so much for your report. I haven't been to DLP since July 2000, but we're hoping to go sometime in the next year or so for our honeymoon. I'm so glad to hear that you saw a great improvement in overall show quality - I was starting to worry after reading some reports from this spring. You've helped set my mind at ease and I can't wait to start planning! :-)
 

Bolna

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Thanks for the replies, Martin! Sounds like they really have improved some of the biggest issues with regard to daily park operations. Might be the effect of the summer season that they just have more people working there now. I will be back at DLP in a few weeks and hope to come back with an equally positive experience!

I really love the new bag check location. I am sure it makes that whole area much nicer again and after all it is the entrance to the whole resort. It was absolute chaos there when we were there in the spring as there were massive lines and one had no idea where to go - which was made worse by several tour groups who were just standing and not moving towards the bag check. Very strange...

Do you have any advice as to what is the best viewing location for Dreams? I saw it once from the end of Main Street and then the second evening from the front half of Central Plaza, not in the center, but standing on the street. I liked the closer view much better.
 

Bolna

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And so, a park that has finally matured but needs to be physically bigger. Even Rat won't be enough to increase physical capacity let alone ride capacity. Or hours need to be increased to allow guests to see the gorgeous night lighting. This would lead to the need for a nighttime show, which again would need somewhere to show it. With Dreams! Scheduled to run all year as opposed to summer only this won't happen anytime soon. Until then peak times will have peak crowds.

I experienced quite heavy crowds at WDS in spring as well. I think you are absolutely right. The problem is also that the areas which are nice to look at (and even though I really think Toy Story Playland is a waste of money and space in a Disney park: it is at least cute) are more narrow. There is lots of space over towards the RRnC, but it seems that less people go there anyway. The parks suddenly seems to be far too crowded on the right side. And it does need more space!
 

marni1971

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Dreams viewing... We got lucky. Closer is better if you can stand the crowds or can get a good view. On night one We watched Fantillusion from the Discoverland border. As it passed we purposely followed the rope line towards the castle. After the next show stop Minnies float moved on and we managed to motion towards the Dreams front rope, and positioned in the Prime spot infront of the castle path. Perfect for most pyro, the lasers and the projections. Just be aware you may get wet ;)
 

m steve

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Dreams viewing... We got lucky. Closer is better if you can stand the crowds or can get a good view. On night one We watched Fantillusion from the Discoverland border. As it passed we purposely followed the rope line towards the castle. After the next show stop Minnies float moved on and we managed to motion towards the Dreams front rope, and positioned in the Prime spot infront of the castle path. Perfect for most pyro, the lasers and the projections. Just be aware you may get wet ;)

We just returned from our first visit to Disneyland Paris three weeks ago. DLP was lovely and well maintained. It was our opinion that the attractions compared very favorably to those of WDW--especially Big Thunder Mountain RR and Pirates.

Walt Disney Studios was not very attractive and it does seem that much needs to be added to make it a day long park. Crush's Coaster was worth the visit, though.

There was one thing about our visit that surprised me a great deal. Even though we were visiting on a Friday and Saturday, there was almost no one waiting at the entrance gates when EMH started at 8:00 am. Although DLP filled up quickly during the morning, there were no more than 20 people waiting when we were let in.

Marni, is right. Sequoia Lodge is a very nice choice for a place to stay. It is also very nice to be able to walk to the parks.
 

Tloz

Member
About WDS, indeed, there is more room for people in front of RNRC, whereas in the aera of Crush it's very hard to move without hurt or being hurt. Strongest rumors about the WDS says that it would be nearly entierly rebuilded

And for Dreams, my favorite spot is on the road in front of the Castle, nearby the left speaker. But with the return of the Fantillusion, it's impossible to sit there, so I think te best spot is on Central Plaza for the Fantillusion, and try to go some steps further when it's over for Dreams
 

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