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Ismael Flores

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I really hate buses, Southern California needs to get out of the bus solution for everything. Meanwhile cities around the world are adding multiple more advanced systems at a rapid pace.
Bolivia has a massive gondola transportation system that keeps growing
cities in Mexico are adding monorails including the longest overhead and underground one in Guadalajara
India has a monorail system in place and its growing

that is just three of the dozens of cities/countries including those labeled "third world countries" that are moving forward with updated systems while Southern California stagnates with its aging and unreliable train system and ever expanding fleet of buses that take up additional lanes on already crowded roads

I seriously envy places like Singapore, visiting that country and exploring the whole place is such a relaxing and emmersive experience with its perfectly planned out underground system, Gondola and monorail
 

Phroobar

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It's easy to put all of these things in a new city without any environmental restrictions. In China or other third world countries, you just ignore everyone's rights and build what you want.
 

Disney Irish

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I really hate buses, Southern California needs to get out of the bus solution for everything. Meanwhile cities around the world are adding multiple more advanced systems at a rapid pace.
Bolivia has a massive gondola transportation system that keeps growing
cities in Mexico are adding monorails including the longest overhead and underground one in Guadalajara
India has a monorail system in place and its growing

that is just three of the dozens of cities/countries including those labeled "third world countries" that are moving forward with updated systems while Southern California stagnates with its aging and unreliable train system and ever expanding fleet of buses that take up additional lanes on already crowded roads

I seriously envy places like Singapore, visiting that country and exploring the whole place is such a relaxing and emmersive experience with its perfectly planned out underground system, Gondola and monorail
Its not just SoCal, its the US in general. We have a love affair with our cars and the car industry as whole in this country. So until the time we can brake away from that we'll continue to get more automotive based solutions like buses.
 

DanielBB8

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Mass transit in Anaheim has to help the entire city and not just the tourist areas especially if such transit systems can further reduce onsite parking for both tourists, locals, and employees. Imagine tourists and employees parking a few miles outside of Anaheim and just using a train to ride inside.

The problem with ARCTIC is the train systems that use it are Metrolink and Amtrak that has odd hours that are more useful to commuters than tourists. Plus, both end their journey at Union Station, which is another connection. Metrolink should be converted to Metro with overhead electrical power and a connection at Norwalk for the Green Line.

As for buses, Anaheim is better off having a cheap system if they are on their own for the tourist market.
 

Darkbeer1

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I hope i am understanding this correctly. They want to build a entertainment district in front of Honda Center and also next to the New Angel Stadium? That's going to be one huge entertainment district.

Yes, the plans has the Ducks building an Extra Wide Pedestrian Bridge over Katella connecting the Honda Center and its new development with the ARTIC train station, which the Ducks now run for the city (and picks up the current losses).


 

Darkbeer1

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The problem with ARCTIC is the train systems that use it are Metrolink and Amtrak that has odd hours that are more useful to commuters than tourists. Plus, both end their journey at Union Station, which is another connection. Metrolink should be converted to Metro with overhead electrical power and a connection at Norwalk for the Green Line.

Let's see, the Metrolink Train Commuter System is just that, a commuter train that uses the current Freight Train Tracks for most of its service.

On the other hand, the AMTRAK Pacific Surfliner has great all day service, from early morning to late evening, plus Bus Coach Service overnight.


As for Metro Rail Service, the LA Metro Route 460 goes from Disneyland to the Norwalk Green Line Station. In fact, I am doing that tomorrow headed to the Grand Prix of Long Beach. (Alas, but the Blue Line is down until June, so connecting to another Bus.)

If LA Metro want a connection to the Train System, then they will need to extend the Green Line farther East to meet the Train Tracks in Santa Fe Springs
 

DanielBB8

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Let's see, the Metrolink Train Commuter System is just that, a commuter train that uses the current Freight Train Tracks for most of its service.

On the other hand, the AMTRAK Pacific Surfliner has great all day service, from early morning to late evening, plus Bus Coach Service overnight.


As for Metro Rail Service, the LA Metro Route 460 goes from Disneyland to the Norwalk Green Line Station. In fact, I am doing that tomorrow headed to the Grand Prix of Long Beach. (Alas, but the Blue Line is down until June, so connecting to another Bus.)

If LA Metro want a connection to the Train System, then they will need to extend the Green Line farther East to meet the Train Tracks in Santa Fe Springs
Amtrak's service is at least 1 hour between train stops north and south bound and it only has few few stops spread out between stations where you'll have to connect. Good luck figuring that out and getting to Disneyland and back without excessive waiting.

The Green Line gap needs to be closed as well as converting Metrolink to Metro if anyone is to take seriously train service for work and leisure. Train service might be more reliable, but bus service is more frequent. Both are horribly deficient in LA and OC.
 

Darkbeer1

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Amtrak's service is at least 1 hour between train stops north and south bound and it only has few few stops spread out between stations where you'll have to connect. Good luck figuring that out and getting to Disneyland and back without excessive waiting.

The Green Line gap needs to be closed as well as converting Metrolink to Metro if anyone is to take seriously train service for work and leisure. Train service might be more reliable, but bus service is more frequent. Both are horribly deficient in LA and OC.

Lets look at the European Model.

Long Distance Train service. Very few stops, not that frequent. (More Stops - Slower the service)

Commuter Train service. More stops, feeds the main stations.

Trolley/Light Rail/Subway - Provides service to Train Stations to go longer distances

Bus Service - Local stops.

So very similar to what you see in Southern California. (San Diego County is a good example - AMTRAK, Coaster, Sprinter, San Diego Trolley, Buses).

While the California High Speed Fiasco was a major failure, if you look back at the initial idea, San Diego to Sacramento with very few stops. One of the failures was the addition of more stops, which just creates a slower service.

As for figuring things out, Google Maps Public Transit is a good app. Here is another good one.

 

DanielBB8

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Lets look at the European Model.

Long Distance Train service. Very few stops, not that frequent. (More Stops - Slower the service)

Commuter Train service. More stops, feeds the main stations.

Trolley/Light Rail/Subway - Provides service to Train Stations to go longer distances

Bus Service - Local stops.

So very similar to what you see in Southern California. (San Diego County is a good example - AMTRAK, Coaster, Sprinter, San Diego Trolley, Buses).

While the California High Speed Fiasco was a major failure, if you look back at the initial idea, San Diego to Sacramento with very few stops. One of the failures was the addition of more stops, which just creates a slower service.

As for figuring things out, Google Maps Public Transit is a good app. Here is another good one.

Without enough stops and more frequent stops, which will both work to pick up passengers, the trains will not make an impact on delivering people to Disneyland or anywhere else. Amtrak is a long distance train that people use sporadically if at all. It's not convenient and obviously expensive if you live in LA and Anaheim is the second stop from Union Station. The last mile has always been the problem in getting to your destination. Mass transit isn't well developed and there's many gaps in this area.

I have no idea why HSR was designed to start from Bakersfield first in the Central Valley. It makes no sense. I was told that there's seismic faults along the 5 freeway so they didn't want to just use the direct and faster route. HSR should not be about connecting LA to SF. This route is way too long and time consuming to use rail especially when airplanes are much faster. The initial HSR should be to connect the end points together like LA to Riverside to Anaheim to San Diego; and also SF to San Jose to Sacramento. This will make it easier for commuters to not use their cars and live further outside the city.

The failure of HSR is no money. Also, they can't blast their way through the mountains without incurring several billion in costs. So shorter routes would have been smarter.
 

Darkbeer1

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OK, what do I see in the Mayor's Statement.

Obvious, connect the Honda Center/Angel Stadium/ARTIC area to the Convention Center, and allowing Disney to connect to it.

But if Disney is willing to help fund it, then maybe a direct stop at the DLR.

Now, who will be the target market? Guests, Local, Workers, will they have luggage, will bicycles and similar things be allowed, etc. I presume a blend, but in what percentages?

How many Stops? The less, the better, but you also need to match the demand.

A straight line point-to-point system with two points is fairly easy. Say ARTIC to the North side of the Convention Center on Katella. Disney could offer shuttles to the Main Gate. Biggest issue is the I-5 and how to get over/under it. Gondola, Peoplemover, light rail, Express Bus, etc.

Surges, such as before and after sporting events, opening and closing of the Theme Parks, etc.

Costs to build and then operate. Fares, how much and who pays? Do you add another 1/4% to the TOT to cover it?

Lots of questions, and things haven't even started yet... Deadline is 2028.

EDITED to add.. Federal and State Grants? Drop off at Toy Story and its security check. Or the Eastern Gateway Transit Center. That would allow folks with luggage easier access to their Hotel. Maybe move the Eastern Gateway Transit Center to Garden Walk, and have a connection there?

The first step will be to narrow down the options.
 
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Jedi Stitch

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Civic Leaders will always be knuckleheads. You know Disney wanted to cash in with the extra hotel they really did need for the Galaxy Edge opening. The civic leaders also, botched up with Disney wanting the East Gate expansion, IMO. The city literally built itself all around Disney, and they then feel threatened when they flex the corporate might. All the other hotels built around the park worked out their own tax deals. What wrong with Disney getting the deals they are used to. Expanding, Disneyland Resort expanding should make the city just salivate, because when Disney Grows, the city coffers grows too. Yes so does the city's infrastructure, but that should be factored in for any city that wants to grow.
Here is Seattle, I believe back in the '80s Disney was in talks to buy up the Seattle Center property, where the Space Needle is, the site of the 1962 Worlds Fair. Seattle decided they wanted to revitalize it so said no. It took 25 years and cooperate sponsors that were "Local" sourced but they did. Everyone always wondered what it would have been like seeing what would have been something on the par of Westcot.
Then these civic leaders are also drowning in a drug/homeless problem, that from my last trip in Aug '18 having the same sleeping guy under the same sleeping bag at the bus stop out side the east entrance for the entire trip, made me wonder, what this guy did to exist.
 

truecoat

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Civic Leaders will always be knuckleheads. You know Disney wanted to cash in with the extra hotel they really did need for the Galaxy Edge opening. The civic leaders also, botched up with Disney wanting the East Gate expansion, IMO. The city literally built itself all around Disney, and they then feel threatened when they flex the corporate might. All the other hotels built around the park worked out their own tax deals. What wrong with Disney getting the deals they are used to. Expanding, Disneyland Resort expanding should make the city just salivate, because when Disney Grows, the city coffers grows too. Yes so does the city's infrastructure, but that should be factored in for any city that wants to grow.
Here is Seattle, I believe back in the '80s Disney was in talks to buy up the Seattle Center property, where the Space Needle is, the site of the 1962 Worlds Fair. Seattle decided they wanted to revitalize it so said no. It took 25 years and cooperate sponsors that were "Local" sourced but they did. Everyone always wondered what it would have been like seeing what would have been something on the par of Westcot.
Then these civic leaders are also drowning in a drug/homeless problem, that from my last trip in Aug '18 having the same sleeping guy under the same sleeping bag at the bus stop out side the east entrance for the entire trip, made me wonder, what this guy did to exist.

It sounds like Anaheim's current leadership is headed in the right direction.
 

Ismael Flores

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It's easy to put all of these things in a new city without any environmental restrictions. In China or other third world countries, you just ignore everyone's rights and build what you want.
thats just heresay, plenty of environmental studies were done for the monorail in India and the systems are being built without the removal of housing but instead improvements of infrustructure.
the same goes for the monorail in Guadalajara which is actually adding green space and removing old road infrastructure and creating pedestrian and bike friendly paths.

korea removed a freeway system and reverted back to a green open space natural rivers with bike friendly paths. many outsiders felt it was a mistake and declared gloom and doom but instead the huge traffic issues subsided and air quality got better because people preferred to leave cars behind and bike or use the subway system.
we are ignorant if we think we are the only country that have laws in place that require environmental studies. of course there are corrupt goverments but we have our share of that too

many of these projects are also being done by corporations that have seen a more welcoming attitude in foreign countries

problem is that there are to many Morenos in California that find ways if making thing personal and stop projects for no sensible reason
 
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Darkbeer1

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>Hotel Tax Revenues Continue Exceeding Projections While Sales Tax Lags

Anaheim’s Transient Occupancy Tax revenues continue to outstrip projections, while sales tax lagged, according to a recent budget workshop presented to the Anaheim City Council.


The continued over-performance of TOT revenues confirms the wisdom of Anaheim’s tradition of fostering hotel development – resulting in not only greater economic activity but rising city tax revenues without the need for general tax increases.


Anaheim’s Fiscal Year 2018-2019 General Fund revenues totaled $414.9 million. $162.5% or 39% of that was generated by TOT revenues, which grew by 4.4% over the prior year. In fact, the city will garner $2.2 million more in TOT revenue than anticipated.


Anaheim’s TOT revenue has grown exponentially during the past decade, from $77.1 million in 2010 to $164.7 million in the current fiscal year. That’s a 113% increase. Growth has been driven by the increase in hotel room supply, rising occupancy rates and rising Average Daily Rates. According to the city, ADR has grown 25% since 2013.


That tend will increases as two new 4-Diamond hotels – the JW Marriott Anaheim and the Westin Anaheim – open their doors in the wake of the opening of Star Wars: Galaxy’s Edge at the Disneyland Resort.


Property taxes also grew, increasing by 4.7%, as assessed property tax values in Anaheim remain strong. Property tax revenue accounts for 20% of general fund revenues.


Sales and uses tax revenue comprise 20% of General Fund revenue, but continues lagging as a revenue source for Anaheim. For at least the second year in a row, actual sales tax revenues were below projections – in this case by $2.4 million.


This isn’t unique to Anaheim, but a by-product of the online shopping revolution. People can buy anything online, but they have to physically check into a hotel. The relative decline of sales tax as a municipal revenue sources underlines Anaheim’s prudence in incentivizing hotel development.


The relative decline of sales tax revenue also undermines the key argument made by Measure L advocates: ratcheting the minimum hourly wage at target Anaheim Resort businesses to $18 would goose the city tax revenues because affected workers would spend their raises in the Resort.


Anaheim has been able to hire more police, invest more in neighborhoods and infrastructure without resorting to tax increases. By comparison, six nearby cities have boosted their sales taxes in recent years in order to avoid cuts in services, cope with rising pension obligations and meet other demands on their treasuries.


Growing Economy And Growing Tax Revenues Go Hand-in-Hand

Overall, general fund revenues exceeded expectations by $2.2 million. According to Finance Director Debbie Moreno, “Increases in development activity in the Planning & Building and Public Works departments pushed revenues over the budget.”


Lesson for Berniecrats: more economic activity equals more tax revenue. Therefore, the key to generating more tax revenue is pursuing economic policies that spur economic development, i.e. deregulation, tax reductions, streamlining, etc. Mandates, price controls, tax hikes, redistribution – these progressive war horses shrink, rather than expand, the pie of economic opportunity.<<
 

Darkbeer1

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Civic Leaders will always be knuckleheads. You know Disney wanted to cash in with the extra hotel they really did need for the Galaxy Edge opening. The civic leaders also, botched up with Disney wanting the East Gate expansion, IMO. The city literally built itself all around Disney, and they then feel threatened when they flex the corporate might. All the other hotels built around the park worked out their own tax deals. What wrong with Disney getting the deals they are used to. Expanding, Disneyland Resort expanding should make the city just salivate, because when Disney Grows, the city coffers grows too. Yes so does the city's infrastructure, but that should be factored in for any city that wants to grow.
Here is Seattle, I believe back in the '80s Disney was in talks to buy up the Seattle Center property, where the Space Needle is, the site of the 1962 Worlds Fair. Seattle decided they wanted to revitalize it so said no. It took 25 years and cooperate sponsors that were "Local" sourced but they did. Everyone always wondered what it would have been like seeing what would have been something on the par of Westcot.
Then these civic leaders are also drowning in a drug/homeless problem, that from my last trip in Aug '18 having the same sleeping guy under the same sleeping bag at the bus stop out side the east entrance for the entire trip, made me wonder, what this guy did to exist.

OK, remember, we had a few Civic Leaders (Basically a Mayor and a Councilmember) that was "Anti-Disney" to match the campaign funding message (UNITE HERE). We now have a NEW Mayor, and a new council that has done a LOT of things in a short time.

I am proud that I got to help turn the Homeless issue around. Of course, there was a LOT of people that did the vast majority of it. Have we solved the problem... Heck NO, but we have 325 Shelter Beds, with 600 available in about two years, and a Federal Judge that is allowing the city to enforce the anti-camping and loitering laws (so long as an available Shelter bed is available).

 

Darkbeer1

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Let me add this item to be discussed at Tuesday's Council Meeting.


>The 2030 Neighborhood Investment Program is Mayor Sidhu’s key policy initiative, outlined at his March 5, 2019, State of the City address. The proposed initiative calls for investing a minimum of $250 million in Anaheim neighborhoods during the next 10 years with input from residents. Mayor Sidhu asked that this proposed Resolution be placed on the City Council agenda for consideration and adoption by his council colleagues.

In the past several decades, Anaheim’s economy has grown exponentially, in large part from longstanding public-private partnerships that created the Anaheim Resort District, the Anaheim Convention Center and the Platinum Triangle, home to World Champion sports teams, Angels Baseball and Anaheim Ducks. These City assets are encompassed by Districts 4 and 5. Since 2010, Anaheim also engaged in public-private partnerships to develop the Packing House District in District 3 and recently completed the Beach Boulevard Specific Plan to secure needed investment in West Anaheim, providing direct economic support to residents of Districts 1 and 2.

As the City’s economy continues to expand, tax revenue generated by private enterprise, which invested under City policies and, in conjunction with City assets, has grown exponentially to pay for expanded public safety and other vital City programs.

The 2030 Neighborhood Investment Program proposed by Mayor Sidhu will further focus the proceeds of the City’s expanded economic development successes on neighborhoods. This program will provide a framework for neighborhood investment through a grass-roots, resident-driven model, with priorities for specific neighborhood investments identified by residents and community leaders in collaboration with City staff, elected and appointed officials. These investments may include: improved libraries, community centers, streets, roads, sidewalks, bike paths, parks, as well as expanded public safety resources, community and youth programs, assistance for those who are homeless, services to support local hiring and job training to maintain a strong economy, and continuous investment and redevelopment to build and maintain vibrant neighborhoods citywide. The investments will be proposed for prioritization by neighborhoods in all six Anaheim City Council districts.

As part of this initiative, Mayor Sidhu also announced a proposed City partnership with Anaheim First, a resident-driven nonprofit organization with a Neighborhood Leadership Council comprised of 100 community members, with organizational leadership and funding provided by the Anaheim Chamber of Commerce, Visit Anaheim, and the Anaheim Community Foundation.

Upon Council direction, City staff will begin to collaborate with Anaheim First to identify some immediate funding priorities. Project and funding recommendations for an initial $20 million in neighborhood investment identified by City staff for fiscal year 2019/20 will be developed in consultation with the appropriate City staff and community members and submitted to the City Council for its review and consideration later this year. The process to engage residents in each council district will include town hall meetings, community summits, online surveys, and a robust community outreach program that will be conducted in multiple languages. <<
 

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