Disney's Contemporary Resort 'Health and Wellness' suites canceled

AEfx

Well-Known Member
I've always found it funny when some people get airs about them about staying at a Deluxe vs. a Value or a Mod, thinking they are staying at some sort of luxury resort. I live in a small New England town which has beautiful beaches and every summer is overrun with tourists. In the late Fall to late Spring it's desolate at the beach (and wonderful).

Now I didn't grow up (nor am I now) wealthy, but the community I live in is very well-known and considered a "posh" destination if you stay at the right places. (I talked to Tracy Ullman once, and when I said where I was from that was her exact word, "Oh, what a posh area!" LOL.) Like, real luxury resorts. No highrises, but places where people are pampered and coddled and they do everything except wipe your behind for you (and I'm sure that's available at an extra charge). People that stay in such places have what I refer to as "real money". That's opposed to those who are upper-middle class, and think they are wealthy (and usually spend as much as they make every year to keep that up, sometimes even more).

Disney offers none of this. I know some people will simply not get this statement, but there is really little difference from Pop Century to the Grand Floridian if you are looking for true luxury, or a real resort vacation, when comparing to a true luxury destination. At the GF, the rooms are a tiny bit bigger, things look a little classier, and you can rent some watercraft...which you don't even need to stay there to do. Yet Disney charges enormously high prices for what you get. When people ask what's the worst rip-off at WDW, those Deluxes and Suites and even the "Home Away From Home" stuff is so overpriced it's not even funny. You can rent a very nice condo, with your own yard, personal fenced-in, in-ground pool, jacuzzi, four bedrooms, everything brand new, within five miles of Disney for $150/night. Sure, you have to drive yourself to the parks, but honestly I'd much rather that than deal with those buses, plus sometimes being able to go to a real store or even just out of the "magic" for a bit can be a plus.

Heck, when I go alone, I've been known to stay for a few nights at the Motel 6 right outside the gates (it's actually the closest hotel to MGM, period, Disney property or not). I'm going to visit the parks, I need a place to sleep and shower. Even if you like to relax in your room, or want resort amenities, when you can stay so close to Disney at much nicer hotels than Disney offers for a fraction of the cost it's hard to justify it for anything but taking the monorail to the MK, and that's just not worth it for me.

As to Disney being low brow/high brow, well that's just in the eye of the beholder, and to be frank people that refer to anything as "low brow" are suspect to me. It's simply a social construction to make people feel better about their lot in life (one way or another). Some rich people love WDW, some poorer people love WDW, it has nothing to do with money. It has a lot to do with class - which money cannot buy (because some of the classiest people I have known have had a lower income, where some of the absolute trashiest people I have met/known could light their cigarettes with burning $100 bills and not think twice). If someone has class, they don't break things down into "low brow" and "high brow", they just experience life.
 

COProgressFan

Well-Known Member
Those suites didn't cater to the majority of people coming to Disney, but rather a specific niche that is not represented in Disney advertising.


Remember the older Walt Disney World commercials? They were grand in scope and showcased the entire property as a "Vacation Kingdom." They were heavy on recreation and world class thematic Resorts--things you didn't get elsewhere. You'd see horseback riding, golf courses, adults dressed up for the evening at a fancy restaurant, and only a few scenes of rides, characters, and families. It was a destination for lots of things--not JUST theme parks.

I honestly feel the suites would have been more popular back then, before Disney World became over commercialized and a "rite of passage" for families. The suites catered to adults, not families. Remember all the commercials with just 2 adults, or a group of adults having a fun time?

Current commercials showcase tons of kids and tons of characters. You don't see glimpses of the grand Resorts, or fine dining, or recreation. It doesn't appear as a Vacation Kingdom any longer, but rather a family oriented clustering of theme parks with lots of characters for your little kids to meet. (We know there is more.)

My adult co-workers choose to pass on Disney. They say its too juvenile. The way the commercials show it. If lots of adults without kids saw the place as a Vacation Destination, maybe the suites would have sold more.

I'd have liked to stay in them, but they were probably too expensive compared to my Yacht Club room where I am very content.

Alas, this is the choice Disney has made in their marketing. They decided to go for the characters/magic/princesses/only for kids route rather than the former approach which could appeal to everyone.

In the long run, I think it hurts them because many folks now believe WDW is just a place to bring the rugrats once or twice as kids and never return. Disney can only blame themselves for that one.
 

Main Street USA

Well-Known Member
I've always found it funny when some people get airs about them about staying at a Deluxe vs. a Value or a Mod, thinking they are staying at some sort of luxury resort. I live in a small New England town which has beautiful beaches and every summer is overrun with tourists. In the late Fall to late Spring it's desolate at the beach (and wonderful).

Now I didn't grow up (nor am I now) wealthy, but the community I live in is very well-known and considered a "posh" destination if you stay at the right places. (I talked to Tracy Ullman once, and when I said where I was from that was her exact word, "Oh, what a posh area!" LOL.) Like, real luxury resorts. No highrises, but places where people are pampered and coddled and they do everything except wipe your behind for you (and I'm sure that's available at an extra charge). People that stay in such places have what I refer to as "real money". That's opposed to those who are upper-middle class, and think they are wealthy (and usually spend as much as they make every year to keep that up, sometimes even more).

Disney offers none of this. I know some people will simply not get this statement, but there is really little difference from Pop Century to the Grand Floridian if you are looking for true luxury, or a real resort vacation, when comparing to a true luxury destination. At the GF, the rooms are a tiny bit bigger, things look a little classier, and you can rent some watercraft...which you don't even need to stay there to do. Yet Disney charges enormously high prices for what you get. When people ask what's the worst rip-off at WDW, those Deluxes and Suites and even the "Home Away From Home" stuff is so overpriced it's not even funny. You can rent a very nice condo, with your own yard, personal fenced-in, in-ground pool, jacuzzi, four bedrooms, everything brand new, within five miles of Disney for $150/night. Sure, you have to drive yourself to the parks, but honestly I'd much rather that than deal with those buses, plus sometimes being able to go to a real store or even just out of the "magic" for a bit can be a plus.

Heck, when I go alone, I've been known to stay for a few nights at the Motel 6 right outside the gates (it's actually the closest hotel to MGM, period, Disney property or not). I'm going to visit the parks, I need a place to sleep and shower. Even if you like to relax in your room, or want resort amenities, when you can stay so close to Disney at much nicer hotels than Disney offers for a fraction of the cost it's hard to justify it for anything but taking the monorail to the MK, and that's just not worth it for me.

As to Disney being low brow/high brow, well that's just in the eye of the beholder, and to be frank people that refer to anything as "low brow" are suspect to me. It's simply a social construction to make people feel better about their lot in life (one way or another). Some rich people love WDW, some poorer people love WDW, it has nothing to do with money. It has a lot to do with class - which money cannot buy (because some of the classiest people I have known have had a lower income, where some of the absolute trashiest people I have met/known could light their cigarettes with burning $100 bills and not think twice). If someone has class, they don't break things down into "low brow" and "high brow", they just experience life.

While I agree with almost everything you've said here, I don't think people that want to spend the extra money on a deluxe are getting ripped-off if they know what they're getting for their money. Like you said, if they're under the impression that the WDW deluxe properties are true luxury, then I guess that makes them either misled or just plain ignorant when it comes to what a "luxury" hotel is.

If they're spending the money for the location, prettier surroundings, slightly larger rooms, jacuzzis, and smaller "luxuries" like that, AND they know that's what they're paying for and they're willing to pay it, I really don't see anything wrong with it, or with them.

It's personal preference.
 

captainkidd

Well-Known Member
If they're spending the money for the location, prettier surroundings, slightly larger rooms, jacuzzis, and smaller "luxuries" like that, AND they know that's what they're paying for and they're willing to pay it, I really don't see anything wrong with it, or with them.

It's personal preference.

Exactly. Disney's Deluxe Resorts are about location, theme, food choices, nicer pools, and larger rooms.
 

TinkerBelle8878

Well-Known Member
Exactly. Disney's Deluxe Resorts are about location, theme, food choices, nicer pools, and larger rooms.

They also are able to fit 5 people in the rooms which for some people is the only selling point over the other resorts. If they stay in Value or Moderate, they have to take 2 rooms which many people don't want to do or are able to do depending on the ages in their party. The family suites that are being built don't seem like that great a deal either, (not to mention garish, imo, compared to the deluxes).
 

c-one

Well-Known Member
Those suites didn't cater to the majority of people coming to Disney, but rather a specific niche that is not represented in Disney advertising.


Remember the older Walt Disney World commercials? They were grand in scope and showcased the entire property as a "Vacation Kingdom." They were heavy on recreation and world class thematic Resorts--things you didn't get elsewhere. You'd see horseback riding, golf courses, adults dressed up for the evening at a fancy restaurant, and only a few scenes of rides, characters, and families. It was a destination for lots of things--not JUST theme parks.

I honestly feel the suites would have been more popular back then, before Disney World became over commercialized and a "rite of passage" for families. The suites catered to adults, not families. Remember all the commercials with just 2 adults, or a group of adults having a fun time?

Current commercials showcase tons of kids and tons of characters. You don't see glimpses of the grand Resorts, or fine dining, or recreation. It doesn't appear as a Vacation Kingdom any longer, but rather a family oriented clustering of theme parks with lots of characters for your little kids to meet. (We know there is more.)

My adult co-workers choose to pass on Disney. They say its too juvenile. The way the commercials show it. If lots of adults without kids saw the place as a Vacation Destination, maybe the suites would have sold more.

I'd have liked to stay in them, but they were probably too expensive compared to my Yacht Club room where I am very content.
Well said! This is the crux of my argument as to what WDW is doing wrong these days. I agree that this concept could be better executed if the overall focus of the resort was different. But this becomes a catch-22.
 

surfsupdon

Well-Known Member
Garish is an understatement.


That's a shame too, that if you want a "family suite," which is cheaper than a Deluxe suite, your only option is a garish Value Resort. Nothing that isn't in-your-face is available.


I guess the Moderate Cabins are still a great value, and don't include wacky cartoon scenery.
 

Zummi Gummi

Pioneering the Universe Within!
That's a shame too, that if you want a "family suite," which is cheaper than a Deluxe suite, your only option is a garish Value Resort. Nothing that isn't in-your-face is available.


I guess the Moderate Cabins are still a great value, and don't include wacky cartoon scenery.

I assume the Cabins are the alternative to the garish suites at the Values, for those who don't want to go deluxe or DVC villa.
 

TinkerBelle8878

Well-Known Member
I assume the Cabins are the alternative to the garish suites at the Values, for those who don't want to go deluxe or DVC villa.

Cabins, as in Wilderness Cabins?

I'm not that familiar with that option. I just know growing up being in a family of 5, moderates were off the table so that left us with Deluxe. And even before Caribbean Beach was built there were only 3 main Hotels. No Deluxe, no categorization. Just Contemporary, Poly, and then Grand Floridian. GF was the pricey one. The only other option was Fort Wilderness. I don't know about the Disney Inn and when that was even operational.

Its terrible that the new Family Suites aren't more suited and decorated to families with people older than preschool age. There are ways to do it and still stay with the 'themes'. You can't tell me the Under the Sea rooms can't just be painted pale blues and greens with some seashell motif and an Ariel or Nemo picture on the wall like the All Stars have a picture of the approrpriately themed Mickey in those rooms.

I don't even remember what the other themes were. They all just blend into some brightly painted blurs.
 

dreamfinder

Well-Known Member
Makes me wonder about what will happen with Avatar Land...Some of the prior posts make great points, but it just seems a little backwards that Disney gets out ahead of some of these eventually-cancelled projects with so much publicity but they won't acknowledge that they are building DVC at the Grand Floridian even as the scrims are going up!!

They hold off on announcing these DVC properties because they don't want to affect the sales at the other WDW resorts. While we might be in the know here about what is coming, the average guest (even one that frequents enough to buy DVC) really doesn't have an idea. As they are trying to get these average people to buy DVC they want them to know about BLT, AKV, and SSR. They need to sell those points before they offer people other choices; especially one that is going to likely be very well received and could make someone hold off on a purchase right now.

This. Disney doesn't want to be kept sitting on points at any given resort longer than they need to. Suddenly points at a resort like SSR become even less desirable than they are now. Remember that many of the people who do walk up to the kiosks on property don't spend large amounts of time kicking around online reading about the new color in the Fantasyland restrooms, and have no idea that that unannounced construction is a new DVC.
 

Goofy6294

Active Member
As for the Grand Floridian "rumor".....and as a Jedi-in-training I can tell you that "you saw not even one blade of grass has been touched.... No DVC here"... Seriously though it is funny how they deny anything is going on there...lol if I were Disney and wanted to keep it Hush Hush I would have "accidently" leaked that the Grand Floridian was simply getting another building lol...

These are not the DVC units we're looking for....
 

majortom1981

Active Member
I'm being a broken record here, but I really think Disney has irreperably damaged their brand as a premier entertainment destination.

Perhaps they never had much catchet in that space to begin with, and I've wrongly believed that to be the case for a considerable number of years, but their aggressive courting of down market offerings (Value Resorts, Dining Plan, etc) has led to the perception that Disney World is an exceedingly low brow vacation destination with the patronage to match.

The explosion of DVC plays into that as well, as the popular sentiment regarding timeshares in general is that they are largely financially detrimental arrangements bought into by rubes and the less-worldly.

Now, before anyone freaks out, I'm not saying any of this is true - but what's true is that this perception absolutely exists and likely is keeping away a certain population of folks who would otherwise spend a considerable sum at Disney World.

DVC does not bring in the less wordly. I take that as a DIRECT Insult as a dvc owner. You do realise anybody can book a dvc room right? Not just dvc members?

Also The DVC resorts pay for themselves. HEck if a brand new hotel was built with a dvc wing I bet the dvc wing can pay for the whole hotels cost.
 

flavious27

Well-Known Member
This about sounds right with the decision to also cancel the hotel at the national harbor in Maryland. It seems like disney's accountants are getting them to cancel project that have little, if any roi.
 

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