Disney World's New Ride Has an Old Problem Frozen Ever After has broken down in each of its four day

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Sundown

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SleepEatDisney, I don' think you should just copy & paste someone else's article and post it as if it was your own. You even took the title of the article as well. It's not right to do this.

Your post is a word-for-word copy of Rick Munarriz' article on The Motley Fool website.
 
Bluewaves

Bluewaves

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Maelstrom was never a people eater, low capacity ride system at best. Less than 1000 people per hour. Lets change it to something incredibly popular so its stretched to the max.
 
JohnD

JohnD

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Cowboy Steve said:
These things happen. Unfortunately there is no reliable way to test a new attraction under continuous guest load without... um... guests... lol. There is a big difference between simulations and real world when it comes to these rides. You can engineer something till the cows come home, but some problems just don't show up until it has been running for 12 hours straight. Combine that with budget constraints, and UM insisting an attraction opens on time - as promised - and wa-la! The more realistic and "Wow!" factor they put into these attractions, the higher the probability there will be issues. I don't want to date myself here... but... when the 'Back to the Future' 3D simulator ride was built at US, we actually got to ride it a month before the official opening. It was termed a 'technical rehearsal', and they would run it for an hour or two, then stop to evaluate comments from random riders, then open for another couple hours. With today's social media and the internet, it would be really hard to do that without too much data coming out about the attraction. Disney's policy of pretty much letting you video or take pictures of anything and everything works against them if they want to try and test something with the public before it officially opens while keeping elements a secret (other than verbal descriptions).
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Who's to stop them from running the ride continuously before opening? Heck, it didn't even have to be after park close. The entrance was walled off. The idea that guests needed to be present perplexes me. It was the animatronics that broke down. Not the boats.
 
Cowboy Steve

Cowboy Steve

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JohnD said:
Who's to stop them from running the ride continuously before opening? Heck, it didn't even have to be after park close. The entrance was walled off. The idea that guests needed to be present perplexes me. It was the animatronics that broke down. Not the boats.
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Dunno... too lazy to spend 12 hours a day watching an empty ride? Weight in the boats can simulate bodies... maybe cameras and phones interfered with the AAs? Infrared focus... flashes they aren't supposed to use... bad sensors... I dunno. I'm sure they didn't go out of their way to NOT thoroughly test the AAs before opening. So what is the only factor that was different from during the testing? People?

Or a poorly designed AA... but truth be told they know a thing or two about AAs at Disney... so... who knows. Heck the park up here has a coaster that lasts 17 seconds from launch to brakes... and has over 3000 sensors on the ride. Any one of which would cause a shutdown and a 20 minute restart if it didn't report to the computer right. They spent an entire summer working the bugs out of the sensors and the software alone. And that was only one of the challenges they had to engineer a solution for.
 
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JohnD said:
Who's to stop them from running the ride continuously before opening? Heck, it didn't even have to be after park close. The entrance was walled off. The idea that guests needed to be present perplexes me. It was the animatronics that broke down. Not the boats.
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It's NOT just the animatronics it is also the boats, particularly the weight distribution. Same problem it always had, but the change in makeup of typical Disney crowds just makes it worse.

The should have NOT opened the ride up with FP+, period.
 
IanDLBZF

IanDLBZF

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Bairstow said:
Good point.
Gringotts is a perfect example. Bonus points awarded!
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Magenta Panther

Magenta Panther

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Maybe I'm being too hard on the ride, but it's not because I dislike it. I really like what I've seen in the ride-through videos, especially WDW Magic's. It just seems like the issues a lot of people raised here about shoehorning in a new ride in an old ride's shell, and especially ride capacity and the massive crowds that are currently trampling the Norway pavilion, are actually coming to pass. And that's a major bummer, and at least on the surface, it looks like haste, cynicism and poor planning is to blame. If I'm mistaken, then that's great. I hope FEA's troubles are just "teething", as some describe it. But I also hope that the solutions to the ride's problems won't involve turning off effects. I keep thinking about that yeti...
 
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Mickey5150

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If too many people have a problem with a new ride breaking down then Disney should just go the new plane route. After they are finished building the ride they can just run it for a year or two and see if there are any problems. Or the ride can open on time and they can just deal with the issues as they happen, this is so not the end of the world. :cool:
 
AMartin767

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PorterRedkey said:
If you spend a year and a half on shoehorning an IP ride into Epcot, at least you could make it work consistently.

Hey, Disney, 900 guest per hour for a new ride makes for long waits. Waiting for an hour and a half for a 5-minute ride leads to disappointed guests.

The ride is nice, but people are only waiting because World Showcase is so starved for attractions. New attractions to WS should be themed to the countries that they actually represent.
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^^^ This!
 
Chef Mickey

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PorterRedkey said:
If you spend a year and a half on shoehorning an IP ride into Epcot, at least you could make it work consistently.

Hey, Disney, 900 guest per hour for a new ride makes for long waits. Waiting for an hour and a half for a 5-minute ride leads to disappointed guests.

The ride is nice, but people are only waiting because World Showcase is so starved for attractions. New attractions to WS should be themed to the countries that they actually represent.
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Let's put our pitchforks away and give it a rest on the maintenance issues. It will work consistently. It's been open less than 2 weeks. There isn't exactly a "Frozen attraction template" they can reference when something goes wrong. New rides with one of a kind setups will have a few issues.

As for ride capacity, I agree.

As for World Showcase being starved of real attractions that represent the countries, I agree as well.

However, Disney understood ride capacity going into this and went for it anyway. I honestly don't think they care if guests are disappointed, as long as they visit the parks.
 
Goofyernmost

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I think that they just don't think that the appeal is going to last forever no matter what the sign says. I think that they feel that they will have a colossal hassle for a few years and then everything will calm down and it will all be workable again. Little girls (and boys) are fickle. One day they worship the Frozen group, tomorrow it will be something else. One set of little girls (and boys) grow up and another takes their place. Different people, different times and different likes and dislikes.

We like to think of the Disney company as a place where everyone is stupid and that we are the only ones with the ability to see into the future. We are not and even if we could we don't really know what is involved with "getting our own way". Time will tell. Most of these things start off with all kinds of upset only to become good after a short while.

If they can somehow manage to capture lightning in a bottle with whatever comes out as a sequel, then they may have a serious problem on their hands. That, however, is not likely to happen. It could, but the odds would be against it.
 
Cowboy Steve

Cowboy Steve

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Goofyernmost said:
If they can somehow manage to capture lightning in a bottle with whatever comes out as a sequel, then they may have a serious problem on their hands. That, however, is not likely to happen. It could, but the odds would be against it.
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Good point. With the Toy Story movies... the sequels worked. But I like to think they weren't foolish enough to follow up classics like Beauty And The Beast with a sequel for a reason... Personally I think the Frozen story should just stand on it's own. If they must do something, make a Disney Channel series with the Frozen characters (is there one already?) and leave well enough alone lol.
 
Bairstow

Bairstow

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So we could see multiple frozen attractions across multiple parks?

Wasn't there a point in the late 90's when there were Lion King attractions in 3 of the 4 theme parks at the same time?
 
mgpan

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Wdw62114 said:
Yeah this awaken summer hasnt really started off as strong as Disney had hoped. When 7DMT opened, that ride went down almost every day for a couple months it seemed by what I remember and they did a soft opening for that. They need to figure out a solution for these rides being functional when it opens because now with MM+, Disney wants all guests to plan their itineraries down to every hour of their trip and a broken down ride snowballs all plans after that. Id much rather see delays if it means getting things right vs. Rushing and seeing issues like this
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"broken down ride snowballs all plans after that" Excellent choice of words!
 
TheGuyThatMakesSwords

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Corey P said:
These problem are to be expected when everyone bum rushes a brand new ride or one that has be totally redone. There is almost nothing in the world that can open up to not stop maximum use with out problems. Denver airport comes to mind with their new luggage system. Only the old will remember that.

It's the reason why I would never go to the grand opening of anything unless it was free or something like that.
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I haven't heard the term "Bum rush" in 30 years :). My FATHER, long dead, used to use it :). Brought a smile to my face :). Seems the phrase originated in the early 1900's....

"As Green's Dictionary of Slang explains, "the bum's rush" is what would happen if a vagrant entered a saloon, hoping to take advantage of "the sometimes sumptuous free lunch counters, which were meant for drinkers only." The freeloader would be forcibly removed from the premises."

Reading the story? Yes, this actually seems to be "very WDW" :).
 

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