Disney Stock Downgraded on Concerns over its.....theme parks?

kucarachi

Active Member
They must have rode Space Ship Earth! Either that or they couldnt figure out why disney made no serious attempt to get Harry Potter (the most successful film franchise of all time) and yet have no trouble putting a 4 armed tazmanian devil sounding little keebler elf right in the magic kingdom? And hate to say it, maybe the all star resorts are about 20 bucks a night overpriced throughout most of the year as well.

And i guess if you keep shows long enough they eventually become relevant again...aka Indiana Jones. Only 19 years later though. But i wonder how much of that really has to do with the ecomony being in complete shambles.
 

Master Yoda

Pro Star Wars geek.
Premium Member
This is just a guess but I think the main area of concern for stock holders would be the billion dollar makeover of DCA.
 

Champion

New Member
This sounds like the analyst that wrote it doesn't know that hotel room pricing is cheaper because they keep you on site and then gain more money from you that way.

Doesn't matter though, no one can read this.
 

Champion

New Member
They must have rode Space Ship Earth! Either that or they couldnt figure out why disney made no serious attempt to get Harry Potter (the most successful film franchise of all time) and yet have no trouble putting a 4 armed tazmanian devil sounding little keebler elf right in the magic kingdom? And hate to say it, maybe the all star resorts are about 20 bucks a night overpriced throughout most of the year as well.

They tried to get Potter. Potter didn't deserve more than one attraction in Disney's eyes, so it went elsewhere. Get over it. Oh, and its NOT the most successful franchise ever, that would be Star Wars.

They don't have to negotiate rights for Stitch since they own him. So yes, there is no problem putting him wherever they want.

And if you read the article, the analyst said that the rooms were actually UNDERPRICED, not overpriced, and thats why he was downgrading the stock.
 

kcnole

Well-Known Member
I'm not surprised with that billion dollar advancement. It's a big gamble. If they do it right and the left coasters accept the updates and love the park it'll be a good payoff, if they still hate it, it could cripple the company for a while. I don't think they're going to hate it though.
 

Craig & Lisa

Active Member
Another possibility is they did this to lower the price of the stock to make it more affordable so they can sell more. The only other way to increase sales would be to split the stock but that may make it lower than they want. However, if the stock did split my wife and I would more than likely buy as much as we could afford. Just like our DVC it would be a decent investment.
 

TestTrack

Active Member
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Another possibility is they did this to lower the price of the stock to make it more affordable so they can sell more. The only other way to increase sales would be to split the stock but that may make it lower than they want. However, if the stock did split my wife and I would more than likely buy as much as we could afford. Just like our DVC it would be a decent investment.

Disney had no say in this. This was done by Citigroup who rate stocks based on their future potential.
 

TestTrack

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Forgot that Disney has some else do the thinking about their stock, but Disney may still make suggestions as to which way they would like their stock to go?

As you said, if Disney wanted their stock to be cheaper they would split. There is no benefit for a company if their stock price drops by means beyond their control.
 

MichWolv

Born Modest. Wore Off.
Premium Member
From a professional standpoint (I'm an accountant and financial reporting and analysis consultant), this short note makes me happy, because it looks like the downgrade is based on actual analysis, rather than just hype, momentum, and guesswork.

Citi appears to have been watching the pricing of rooms at Disney resorts, and has concluded that during the fourth quarter of 2007 (which is actually Disney's first quarter, as the company as a 9/30 year end), Disney needed to lower prices on rooms in order to fill them more than they expected to. Citi worries that this will continue, and Disney will need to sell rooms at a lower price in order to fill them. If Citi's prediction is right, financial performance would suffer to some extent, causing them to downgrade.

Also, if Citi is right, we'll all get our vacations for a little bit cheaper as the year moves on.

And regarding the suggestion that somebody may be wanting the price lower so they can sell more -- it doesn't work that way. The public capital markets move to whatever the market-clearing price is, so you can't sell more if the price is low than if its high. Rather, the price will have gone high or low specifically in order to balance the buyers and sellers.

If somebody were manipulating the stock price down by some means, it would be because they want to buy at the low price, then sell at a higher price when their temporary manipulation wears off. Alternatively, manipulators buy a lot of a stock, then talk it up on the internet and in other venues, and then sell before the market realizes they were just blowing smoke. That's called a "pump and dump".

There's no reason, however, that Disney or Citi would be engaged in of manipulation. This downgrade just sounds to me like the results of real analysis.
 

Craig & Lisa

Active Member
From a professional standpoint (I'm an accountant and financial reporting and analysis consultant), this short note makes me happy, because it looks like the downgrade is based on actual analysis, rather than just hype, momentum, and guesswork.

Citi appears to have been watching the pricing of rooms at Disney resorts, and has concluded that during the fourth quarter of 2007 (which is actually Disney's first quarter, as the company as a 9/30 year end), Disney needed to lower prices on rooms in order to fill them more than they expected to. Citi worries that this will continue, and Disney will need to sell rooms at a lower price in order to fill them. If Citi's prediction is right, financial performance would suffer to some extent, causing them to downgrade.

Also, if Citi is right, we'll all get our vacations for a little bit cheaper as the year moves on.

And regarding the suggestion that somebody may be wanting the price lower so they can sell more -- it doesn't work that way. The public capital markets move to whatever the market-clearing price is, so you can't sell more if the price is low than if its high. Rather, the price will have gone high or low specifically in order to balance the buyers and sellers.

If somebody were manipulating the stock price down by some means, it would be because they want to buy at the low price, then sell at a higher price when their temporary manipulation wears off. Alternatively, manipulators buy a lot of a stock, then talk it up on the internet and in other venues, and then sell before the market realizes they were just blowing smoke. That's called a "pump and dump".

There's no reason, however, that Disney or Citi would be engaged in of manipulation. This downgrade just sounds to me like the results of real analysis.
Sorry, I didn't know. But considering what has been happening in the financial world do you blame some of us from thinking this? :shrug: Having not much experience in the stock market, and seeing a single person lose over 7 billion in false trading makes for crazy thinking.
 

TestTrack

Active Member
Original Poster
Sorry, I didn't know. But considering what has been happening in the financial world do you blame some of us from thinking this? :shrug: Having not much experience in the stock market, and seeing a single person lose over 7 billion in false trading makes for crazy thinking.

He didn't lose 7 billion. He made the company he worked for lose 7 billion.
 

emba33

New Member
Disney Downgrade

The Disney downgrade is likely part of the overall pessimism for the US economy. The last quarter is likely seen as the beginning of the recession. If things pick up at the resorts, Citibank will change their rating quickly enough.

As a Canadian ... the US $$ at PAR means you will see a huge influx of Canadians at Disney World ... there were already a lot when the Canadian dollar was a meagre 59 cents. Disney is obviously blue chip -- but investers always want to see growth year-over-year. In the big picture, discounted rates at the hotels are great for the people who visit the parks. Their loss is our gain

/\/\/\/\ the Shamus /\/\/\/\
 

TestTrack

Active Member
Original Poster
The Disney downgrade is likely part of the overall pessimism for the US economy. The last quarter is likely seen as the beginning of the recession. If things pick up at the resorts, Citibank will change their rating quickly enough.

As a Canadian ... the US $$ at PAR means you will see a huge influx of Canadians at Disney World ... there were already a lot when the Canadian dollar was a meagre 59 cents. Disney is obviously blue chip -- but investers always want to see growth year-over-year. In the big picture, discounted rates at the hotels are great for the people who visit the parks. Their loss is our gain

/\/\/\/\ the Shamus /\/\/\/\


Except for those of us who own Disney stock ;)

My loss is your gain...and mine(if I score a deal)
 

MichWolv

Born Modest. Wore Off.
Premium Member
Sorry, I didn't know. But considering what has been happening in the financial world do you blame some of us from thinking this? :shrug: Having not much experience in the stock market, and seeing a single person lose over 7 billion in false trading makes for crazy thinking.

Nope. Can't blame anybody at all. Sad but true fact is that there is a lot manipulation.

However, the vast majority of stock price movements really do reflect actual views about a company's business prospects.
 

New2WDW

New Member
Disney needed to lower prices on rooms in order to fill them more than they expected to. Citi worries that this will continue, and Disney will need to sell rooms at a lower price in order to fill them. If Citi's prediction is right, financial performance would suffer to some extent, causing them to downgrade.

Also, if Citi is right, we'll all get our vacations for a little bit cheaper as the year moves on.

I am not very savy when it comes to stocks :hammer:but Disney has raised prices on tickets and room rates substantially here in just a very short time frame and I think they are finally seeing they have gone past the mark! I sure hope they drop back down some.
 

KingStefan

Well-Known Member
From a professional standpoint (I'm an accountant and financial reporting and analysis consultant), this short note makes me happy, because it looks like the downgrade is based on actual analysis, rather than just hype, momentum, and guesswork.
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There's no reason, however, that Disney or Citi would be engaged in of manipulation. This downgrade just sounds to me like the results of real analysis.

I'm no expert, but if this is the result of analysis, then I'm at a loss. The parks represent only a part of income to Disney. Broadcasting is their main business. It would not make sense at all to downgrade because of that.

Disney stock performance was great in 2006 and bad in 2007 when compared to the major indices. It's been especially bad the last three quarters, but I can't explain why.
 

coasterphil

Well-Known Member
I don't see why they wouldn't downgrade Disney's stock. The economy is looking grim, they are laying out a huge sum to fix DCA, and the attendance at HKDL was much lower than Disney hoped. Just think about how much money Disney has tied up in DVC properties right now. People probably aren't going to be interested in the villas at AKL or the Contemporary when they have to worry about losing their job and not having enough money for neccesities, let alone future Disney vacations.
 

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