I want to see the risk analysis matrix that includes rigging zip line(s)!
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Disney Skyliner shutdown and evacuation - October 6 2019
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What was embarrassing was a few months before the fatal gator attack on the little boy, a few Reedy Creek firefighters on duty were feeding the resident gators right outside their fire station near the Grand Floridian. Their chief gave them a warning.
KBLovedDisney
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stratman50th
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Before the incident people staying at the Disney’s Polynesian Villas & Bungalows were feeding alligators from their private patios. Observers stated they advised CMs but nothing came of it. Now, I'm guessing the "witnesses" don't really know if the offenders were contacted or not but it's Disney and unless you commit some major violation against the Mouse you don't get in too much trouble. In any event, the distance between this location and the GF beach is nothing for a gator to swim. And at this point they've lost their fear of people. Very sad outcome.
ImperfectPixie
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Enormously sad. And it's stuff like this that makes it all the more evident that Disney needs to step up and enforce following rules.
Tom P.
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Forgive me if this has been mentioned already -- it's an 87 page thread! -- but TV station WESH in Orlando is reporting that representatives from the Reedy Creek Fire Department raised concerns with Disney about their ability to effectively respond to incidents with the Skyliner and other new attractions several weeks ago. I know there was some discussion earlier in the thread about Reedy Creek being potentially understaffed, but this is the first I've seen of someone actually connected with their fire department publicly saying that in connection with the Skyliner incident.
Now, to be fair, this is a union spokesman saying this. And, of course, the unions are working to obtain more hiring and higher wages. So I'm sure there's a piece of this that is self-serving. But, still, if Disney was notified that their department couldn't effectively handle incidents on the Skyliner and chose to ignore that warning, that would seem to bode bad for Disney.
https://www.wesh.com/article/reedy-...y-skyliner-weeks-before-malfunction/29391116#
Now, to be fair, this is a union spokesman saying this. And, of course, the unions are working to obtain more hiring and higher wages. So I'm sure there's a piece of this that is self-serving. But, still, if Disney was notified that their department couldn't effectively handle incidents on the Skyliner and chose to ignore that warning, that would seem to bode bad for Disney.
https://www.wesh.com/article/reedy-...y-skyliner-weeks-before-malfunction/29391116#
Nobody was ever actually zip lined, except a few times during testing at night.
Vacationeer
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I'm more worried about that happening to Joe Pesci on the Skyliner than on a rescue team line, lolAll fun and games until someone snaps and cuts the cables
I wonder what variable was used for "You must be high for even suggesting something like that" part of the equation. Something like Y just seems so anticlimactic.
stratman50th
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It's actually against the law here to feed or "molest" alligators (hmmm?) so it isn't just Disney rules. But again, unless you violate mouse rules they seem to look the other way on stuff.
From my patio...
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Vacationeer
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I meant to link this one
VIDEO: Man pours beer into alligator's mouth, charged with animal cruelty
A Snapchat video that showed beer being poured into an alligator's mouth led to charges against two men in Martin County. According to the Florida Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission (FWC), 27-year-old Timothy Kepke and 22-year-old Noah Osborne are charged will unlawfully taking an...
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Amused to Death
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And to think people were swimming in Disney’s lakes from ‘71 to ‘97 or so. Five times daily water ski shows, too, back in the ‘70s.
Andrew C
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And to think people were swimming in Disney’s lakes from ‘71 to ‘97 or so. Five times daily water ski shows, too, back in the ‘70s.
less gators in those waters back then...
stratman50th
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My cousins used to ski and swim in the lakes all the time, this was in the 50's and 60's. The gators were on the shore and hanging out on one side of the lake and they were on the other. Never bothered them. (Jacksonville).And to think people were swimming in Disney’s lakes from ‘71 to ‘97 or so. Five times daily water ski shows, too, back in the ‘70s.
I'd be willing to bet there were more gators in Disney waters back in the early days than now. Bigger too.. Never bothered anyone that I've heard of.
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ImperfectPixie
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I've heard more and more stories as time goes by of them turning their heads even when you do violate their rules...and I really believe part of why we're seeing such horrible behavior is because people know that (thanks social media).
Disney5204
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Or a Meet and Greet.Well they could always turn the stations into more bars and gift shops!
Actually, gators were nearly hunted to extinction. They were classified as an endangerd species until the end of the 1980's so odds are pretty good that there are more now than then.
flynnibus
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No, the Union rep raised concerns - not RCFD.
Because it's not the FD making these statements.. and this was old news. It was the same thing when the guy said it the first time... as mentioned in the article by the response from the RC Admin... It's showboating in the press to press for what the union wants.
ImperfectPixie
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't overpopulation of the area a concern at this point?
Considering this past incident, I would think that there should be two packs in each cabin:
Then, to alert CMs/EMS, each pack should set off a silent alarm which is a blinking light on the outside of the cabin. Pulling out the survival kit causes a blue light blinking; the medical kit, a red light blinking. The light can't be turned off by the guest by putting back an emptied pack.
This will let CMs know as a cabin comes in what was done. If the cabins are stuck on the line and there is a medical issue, they can pull out the med kit to start the red light blinking to alert EMS. Or even if the line isn't stuck, a pulled med kit let's the CM know which cabin has the medical issue.
1. A medical kit: bandages, epi pen, aspirin (for heart attacks), etc...
2. A 'survival kit' for being stuck: water, bags of dried snacks, glow sticks, pee bags, etc...
Then, to alert CMs/EMS, each pack should set off a silent alarm which is a blinking light on the outside of the cabin. Pulling out the survival kit causes a blue light blinking; the medical kit, a red light blinking. The light can't be turned off by the guest by putting back an emptied pack.
This will let CMs know as a cabin comes in what was done. If the cabins are stuck on the line and there is a medical issue, they can pull out the med kit to start the red light blinking to alert EMS. Or even if the line isn't stuck, a pulled med kit let's the CM know which cabin has the medical issue.