This post has been brewing inside me for a long time. I feel it is time to let it out. I feel that Eisner, in the beginning was very good for the company; however, i feel that he has lost sight of the ultimate goal. Unfortunately, i feel that Eisner has gotten into a thrill-ride wizzing contest with USF and Busch Gardens. While i will concede that thrill rides are a major part of current theme park fans, i do not believe that Disney should EVER be in a situation that even REMOTELY apears to be contending with other theme parks. DISNEY HAS ALWAYS SET THE STANDARDS for theme parks, while other parks had to try and emulate and reproduce what DISNEY did. Disney does not follow, it LEADS. Eisner, i think has allowed himself to get caught up in a race that should not exist. Yes, USF is a legitimate competitor; however, this is only because Eisner has allowed the standards to fall. If he had kept Walt's standards for business, none of these complaints would exist and he would still be Disney's golden boy and savior. Oh, the trappings of fame and greed. It is time, once again, for Disney to rise up and surge past all other parks, because, ultimately, Disney is the standard by which all other parks attempt to operate and are judged. Bring back the magic and imagination. Bring back the Disney we all know and love......
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Disney Sets the Standards
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DisneyFan 2000
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I have to agree with you! I haven't seen a ground breaking attraction since IJA at Disneyland! (Excluding TDS, since the fundings and support came from OLC) Even E:E doesn't sound so much more than a mountain! 
M. Racer
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Originally posted by DisneyFan 2000
I have to agree with you! I haven't seen a ground breaking attraction since IJA at Disneyland! (Excluding TDS, since the fundings and support came from OLC) Even E:E doesn't sound so much more than a mountain!
Oh yeah?? What about Journey Into Imagination starring Figment:lol:
iluvstitch
New Member
Hasn't Disney recently come out with or is coming out with several rides and attractions that are UNIQUE to Disney?
Philharmagic
Mission Space
Soarin'
Expedition Everest
Stunt Show @ MGM
and more that I can't think of.
And we're waiting for more announcements on 5/5.
WDW needs to surge past the other parks? Isn't WDW's attendance higher than any other theme park? Universal may be considered a competitor, but WDW's attendance is higher by a long-shot.
Don't get me wrong, I think its time for Eisner to go, but its not like they aren't announcing anything new- and what they are announcing isn't cheap rides like Dumbo- they are billion dollar, well themed attractions. -Stephanie
DieHardDisney
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Mr. Michael Eisner has greatly misused two words in the English language, 'quick' and 'cheap'! Quite simply, everything that the WDC begins these days is done with one aim, to get the job completed as soon as possible with minimum hassle in between. Now then, this would be all well and good if we lived within a perfect world but unfortunately we do not, if we did then Eisner's philosphy would work well as grand attractions such as E:E and other such E-ticket attractions would be less few and far between and although I don't think they should spring up left right and center like Starbucks, I think that an E-ticket ride every two years or so would be fantastic really, and I think most Disney fans would probably agree, in fact any theme park enthusiast would! But when this philosophy is used at the expsense of cutting corners it is quite simply not acceptable, especially when this the Walt Disney Corporation for God's sake! This company has set the standard, the highest possible achievement, and has single handedly dragged the theme park industry through the 20th century and it should continue to do this for many years to come, BUT, judging by recent efforts, such as WDS Paris and to some extent DCA this role that the company is simply out of reach of the company at its current standards. You might think I'm being overly critical, but at the the end of the day this is my two cents, and I'll bet you I'm not the only one who feels this way!
This is it, an ultimatum for the WDC but especially to Mr. Michael Eisner. The time is now, you must either do something now, or risk the future of what many people have grown up to love! Standards are falling, I, and I'm sure many others have that sinking feeling, like the Titanic, we're going down, slowly but surely, it may not go down this year or even in the next 5 or 10 years but if these failing standards continue, than I fear someday the WDC is gonna hit rock bottom, whether Mr. Eisner will still be at the helm or not (I doubt it) remains to be seen, and to be honest, I believe alot of fans won't be there to help the WDC back up off its ______ because most of these guys, me included right now, will turn right around and say, 'Well, Mr. Eisner, I told you so..."
I haven't yet given up hope, but something drastic needs to happen and it needs to happen soon. Mr. Eisner, you need to step down if you can't sort out the mess that you started, if you can't handle the heat get out of the kitchen soon, but please, do whatever you must do, whatever it takes to get what I love and grew up with, back on it's feet and climb to the top of the mountain, the mountain that it built and regain its crown.
Thanks for reading this, remember its only MHO, you may not agre with it, but I, like everyone else should be allowed my two cents, any feedback would be great, Thanks!
This is it, an ultimatum for the WDC but especially to Mr. Michael Eisner. The time is now, you must either do something now, or risk the future of what many people have grown up to love! Standards are falling, I, and I'm sure many others have that sinking feeling, like the Titanic, we're going down, slowly but surely, it may not go down this year or even in the next 5 or 10 years but if these failing standards continue, than I fear someday the WDC is gonna hit rock bottom, whether Mr. Eisner will still be at the helm or not (I doubt it) remains to be seen, and to be honest, I believe alot of fans won't be there to help the WDC back up off its ______ because most of these guys, me included right now, will turn right around and say, 'Well, Mr. Eisner, I told you so..."
I haven't yet given up hope, but something drastic needs to happen and it needs to happen soon. Mr. Eisner, you need to step down if you can't sort out the mess that you started, if you can't handle the heat get out of the kitchen soon, but please, do whatever you must do, whatever it takes to get what I love and grew up with, back on it's feet and climb to the top of the mountain, the mountain that it built and regain its crown.
Thanks for reading this, remember its only MHO, you may not agre with it, but I, like everyone else should be allowed my two cents, any feedback would be great, Thanks!
civileng68
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How anyone can defend this guy is beyond me. Of course Disney has higher attendances, the size of the place has something to do with it. Also, I wouldn't be concerned with the actual attendance as much as the attendance compared to 10 years ago, and even at that I would look more at customer satisfaction.
A new customer would find the place flawless no matter what it looked like but those who go and go and go see the changes.
What's up with Disney movies now? They are bombing. ABC is bombing to the ground.
Also, Disney is chasing parks. What ever happened to the unique dark rides? What? Where are they? Where are those new dark rides that take you into another world for a few minutes? Where is a new Aladdin dark ride or anything for that matter?
As much as I love Philharmagic, and I do love it! I have a feeling Eisner loves the fact that the maintenance price on it is relatively low compared to a gear using ride.
Basically in my opinion, Imagination based rides are becoming obscelete under Eisner whereas he's trying to get the "cool" factor up.
How anyone can defend this guy is beyond me. Of course Disney has higher attendances, the size of the place has something to do with it. Also, I wouldn't be concerned with the actual attendance as much as the attendance compared to 10 years ago, and even at that I would look more at customer satisfaction.
A new customer would find the place flawless no matter what it looked like but those who go and go and go see the changes.
What's up with Disney movies now? They are bombing. ABC is bombing to the ground.
Also, Disney is chasing parks. What ever happened to the unique dark rides? What? Where are they? Where are those new dark rides that take you into another world for a few minutes? Where is a new Aladdin dark ride or anything for that matter?
As much as I love Philharmagic, and I do love it! I have a feeling Eisner loves the fact that the maintenance price on it is relatively low compared to a gear using ride.
Basically in my opinion, Imagination based rides are becoming obscelete under Eisner whereas he's trying to get the "cool" factor up.
Dayma
Well-Known Member
I agree and it make me angry since all the new rides are the stuff I wont ride. I think that Disney has lost its direction in being originally. It seems they keep making "faster, scarier" rides instead of the new types of rides nobody has been on before.
LOL tell that to EURO Disney. The size does not matter unless Universal is peeking and having to close its doors due to volume which I have not heard happen....
iluvstitch
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Mission Space and EE are anything but "cookie cutter" rides. -Stephanie
Chefjason1974
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MS is the best & most unique ride i have ever been on. The dark rides are nice but, the thrill rides pay the light bills! & bring in the $$$$ I am going to WDW in 5 days & can't wait to go on MS again at the same time a I also can't wait to see the peter pan flight. This is what makes wdw great. the fact that you can have almost every experience possible. Roller coasters, space simulator, story book rides, everything. If you want to talk about churning out cookie cutter run of the mill rides go visit Busch Gardens & look at their newest rides.
P.S. cant wait to see the 20k lagoon gone::dazzle:
P.S. cant wait to see the 20k lagoon gone::dazzle:
disneydummy125
Member
The only thing that truly upsets me about the job Eisner has done is that I think that he should improve the parks that he has instead of looking to build new ones. Looking at the failure of DCA, I can think of many things to fix in the parks that we already have. Now that it has become such a bust, we have to redo a brand new park. Unless we come up with an idea that is really up to the Disney standard, we should lay off of building new parks until the magic returns.
Hopefully I didn't offend anyone with my comments.
I have ALOT more to say about Mr.Eisner, but I'll hold it in for now!:zipit:
Hopefully I didn't offend anyone with my comments.
I have ALOT more to say about Mr.Eisner, but I'll hold it in for now!:zipit:
lamarvenoy
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Re: Re: Disney Sets the Standards
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Don't get me wrong, I think its time for Eisner to go, but its not like they aren't announcing anything new- and what they are announcing isn't cheap rides like Dumbo- they are billion dollar, well themed attractions. -Stephanie [/B][/QUOTE]
Not to be a jerk, you are missing the point...Aladdin is pretty much another Dumbo! I think this thread is not about the good stuff that's going on its more the fact that alot of stuff ISN'T good.ie Aladdin-your "cheap rides like Dumbo" there is a lot more bad than good. Also the overall Park appearance has gone downhill and add to that less caring temp employees and budget crunching.Yeah, I agree its pretty sad.
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Don't get me wrong, I think its time for Eisner to go, but its not like they aren't announcing anything new- and what they are announcing isn't cheap rides like Dumbo- they are billion dollar, well themed attractions. -Stephanie [/B][/QUOTE]
Not to be a jerk, you are missing the point...Aladdin is pretty much another Dumbo! I think this thread is not about the good stuff that's going on its more the fact that alot of stuff ISN'T good.ie Aladdin-your "cheap rides like Dumbo" there is a lot more bad than good. Also the overall Park appearance has gone downhill and add to that less caring temp employees and budget crunching.Yeah, I agree its pretty sad.
Nansafan
Active Member
Remember a few years ago when valet parking was free to all resort guests? When it was decided to charge $6.00 a day for valet the Eisner quote was something like that is what people are paying at other resorts. What's up with that? The fact it was free was what made WDW special. By charging a fee, they have lowered themselves to other establishments levels. Never stoop to someone else's level. Always be better. I'm not complaining about $6.00, it's the principal of the thing. Before anyone asks, yes, I did tip the valet parkers and still do. They have a rough job. Since adding the valet parking fee, we only valet now if the weather is bad.
Chefjason1974
New Member
once again the anti-Eisner group bring's their bold opinions about how good the parks would be without Eisner. I get the feeling that you guy's don't just dis-like Eisner but you dis-like all things Eisner has in any way had to do with.
MS for example: The most elaborate technologically advanced & bold ride to come out of any park since spider man & IOA.
EE has not even been built yet & people are complaining about the fact that it is just a coaster. Hello, nobdy on this board designed this thing, nobody on this board even knows what the coaster is going to ride like. Stop bashing all new things just because Eisner had something to do with them. If Roy Disney was in his place & came up with EE & MS you would be talking about how unbelievable they are! Give me a break!
I go to WDW 2-3 times every year. I have never came in contact with rude CM Or Dirty parks, The hotels i stay at are alway's well managed & Maintained. The food is always good. The rides area always in good repair & i still feel safe on WDW property. I don't see what people complain about.
WDW is still the best park in the world, I don't care about DCA, Euro Disney Or even Disneyland! The WDW blows all of them away. I would however like to see the Disney sea in Tokyo.
I'm sure The anti-Eisners will have a Field day with this but oh well this is my opinion!
P.S. 3 day's til WDW CANT WAIT!!!
MS for example: The most elaborate technologically advanced & bold ride to come out of any park since spider man & IOA.
EE has not even been built yet & people are complaining about the fact that it is just a coaster. Hello, nobdy on this board designed this thing, nobody on this board even knows what the coaster is going to ride like. Stop bashing all new things just because Eisner had something to do with them. If Roy Disney was in his place & came up with EE & MS you would be talking about how unbelievable they are! Give me a break!
I go to WDW 2-3 times every year. I have never came in contact with rude CM Or Dirty parks, The hotels i stay at are alway's well managed & Maintained. The food is always good. The rides area always in good repair & i still feel safe on WDW property. I don't see what people complain about.
WDW is still the best park in the world, I don't care about DCA, Euro Disney Or even Disneyland! The WDW blows all of them away. I would however like to see the Disney sea in Tokyo.
I'm sure The anti-Eisners will have a Field day with this but oh well this is my opinion!
P.S. 3 day's til WDW CANT WAIT!!!
WDW Parks
I have just been reading the posts for the last few days on the WDW parks and I am sitting here wondering if we are all going to the same place. I have been to WDW 10 times in the last 10 years and it has always been extremely clean and well run. There are new things everytime we go and there are always plenty of things for all members of our group to do-even the ones that don't do thrill rides. Ages of the people in our groups have ranged from 3-72 so that is saying a lot. Anyone who can't see the imagination and magic behind all of these attractions should stay away because they won't get their money's worth. Even going for 10 days we can never do it all, and have to pick and choose which attractions and shows to save until the next trip. I defy anyone to stand on Main Street in the Magic Kingdom on a beautiful night and view Spectromagic and Wishes and say that Disney has no imagination and does things on the cheap. If you don't like Disney World do us all a favor and stay home or go somewhere else because some of us are really tired of listening to you whine and put WDW and Eisner down constantly.
I have just been reading the posts for the last few days on the WDW parks and I am sitting here wondering if we are all going to the same place. I have been to WDW 10 times in the last 10 years and it has always been extremely clean and well run. There are new things everytime we go and there are always plenty of things for all members of our group to do-even the ones that don't do thrill rides. Ages of the people in our groups have ranged from 3-72 so that is saying a lot. Anyone who can't see the imagination and magic behind all of these attractions should stay away because they won't get their money's worth. Even going for 10 days we can never do it all, and have to pick and choose which attractions and shows to save until the next trip. I defy anyone to stand on Main Street in the Magic Kingdom on a beautiful night and view Spectromagic and Wishes and say that Disney has no imagination and does things on the cheap. If you don't like Disney World do us all a favor and stay home or go somewhere else because some of us are really tired of listening to you whine and put WDW and Eisner down constantly.