Disney Security?

[RustySpork]

Unless you've printed a gun on a 3d printer it will get caught on any functioning metal detector. The only guns that have ever been made that were invisible to them were very early Glocks and because of that Glock was forced to modify their guns so that they would set off metal detectors or be banned from the US.

Of course that assumes the metal detectors are functioning properly and it wouldn't surprise me if they weren't because the main purpose of them is just to make people feel safer otherwise they would ban any outside strollers, wheelchair, motorized scooters and anything else that wasn't small enough to go through an xray machine.

You're not forced through a metal detector though at TTC. Just walk slowly towards the no bag entrance, and when they pick someone to go through, just walk on past. It's really that simple. If you have a bag, you're almost guaranteed to get flagged to go through one.

 

[thomas998]

I completely disagree about the backwards profiling (based on multiple airports I fly through). Also I'm too jaded to believe anything would ever be 'random' with them. I have an Arab based last name and a non Anglo first name - mostly common among Jewish people. I have green 'cat eyes' though not super tan (caucasian with lighter olive complexion) but wear 22k gold bangles from India. When flying alone I would get stopped every single time. I'm American born and Catholic to boot. When I flew with my childl, I was not singled out for checks. Alone, was a different story. I had so many solo 'random' checks that a TSA person remarked how amazing it was that I knew what to do for these checks (I'd start taking off certain items and removing things from my bag before they asked me to do that). They will never make it random.

Honestly as a Caucasian American Catholic, I get really annoyed with how narrow minded they are since they single out for my name and my jewelry. It's still very "let's get the Muslims" based and that's not right at all, but that's a whole other issue there with TSA. Thank goodness Pre-Check does not profile the same way.

I think you misread what I said. I stated quite clearly that, "profiling at MY airport tends to be backward PC profiling...", I have no idea what they do at your airport or even which one it is.

 

[monykalyn]

As for Disney Security, it's not called Security Theatre for no reason. For the most part the bag checks and metal detectors are there to deter someone thinking of causing a problem inside the parks. In a way it's worked to a degree in the past. Several non permitted gun carriers were stopped or scared enough that they were either singled out by security or deterred from entering. These people may not have intended to cause harm while visiting the parks, but it did prevent them from further breaking the law.

Agree with the security theater. Ya'll have never gotten lost driving and ended up backstage have you? Anyone with a basic scope out would be able to fit in long enough to do real damage. Not saying this to scare people but the "show" up front doesn't always equal backstage. Can't live life in fear (or paranoid for that matter)

 

[RustySpork]

Who says it just shrapnel bombs?? People can use all kinds of things to hurt other peoole. I use to carry my firearm in for years into the parks until they put in the detectors. Now that I cant do that i have to settle for a knife. Its better than nothing if the unthinkable happens. Its called be prepared and and it's better than being a sheep and thinking that Disney has everything under control...

You're really going to stop the bad guys with that tiny knife buried deep in that stroller.

 

[Deno]

Those have always been the most vulnerable points for a nutter to do something like was done in the UK... So if you want to be on the look out for anything look for people wearing bulky coats or jackets in the Florida heat - any would be bomber is likely going to use a bomb vest and it is going to have to be concealed as much as possible until they get into a crowd

Hmmmm, a backpack is more likely if they wanted to 'blend in'. A LOT of people take a backpack to WDW.

It's still soooo rare though. I refuse to be scared of going to places like Malls, Cinemas, Theme Parks etc. I will not give terrorist scum a second thought when I arrive there in August.

I showed my kids this article this week...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsround/13865002

 

[correcaminos]

I think you misread what I said. I stated quite clearly that, "profiling at MY airport tends to be backward PC profiling...", I have no idea what they do at your airport or even which one it is.

I made a statement that all airports I fly in and out of don't do that. I've honestly never come across a location that does backward profiling. So I just have a hard time believing it does happen based on experiences and chatting with TSA people. I think many want to believe that they are ignoring "Muslim types" (rose colored glasses and all) but I don't think they are.

 

[jim1051]

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Sam's club has the cameras there to prevent theft or ID thieves. The type of security you are talking about takes more that cameras

 

[Rinx]

I was not aware of the events in Manchester when I was at MK on Monday and DHS/Epcot on Tuesday. Security was streamlined. Sometimes everyone has to go through the metal detector but sometimes it's random. I was a bit concerned though when I went through the metal detector forgetting I had change in my pocket and it didn't catch it. I did notice lots of Orange County officers at Disney Springs on Sunday but not enough to make it feel concerning.

 

[correcaminos]

I was not aware of the events in Manchester when I was at MK on Monday and DHS/Epcot on Tuesday. Security was streamlined. Sometimes everyone has to go through the metal detector but sometimes it's random. I was a bit concerned though when I went through the metal detector forgetting I had change in my pocket and it didn't catch it. I did notice lots of Orange County officers at Disney Springs on Sunday but not enough to make it feel concerning.

I don't think they are particularly strong detectors. I haven't set them off with my bangles which do at other locations (including local hospitals).

 

[Gabe1]

In the end statistics are just a fancy way to support whatever you want to support.

Kudos. I've said this so many times this week alone. Statistics are funny numbers compiled often to reach the conclusion the presenter wishes to spin the results. I've seen this with Disney Surveys and worse with presentations to us on our school board. No numbers don't lie but they also don't shed light on reality.

 

[Texas84]

Unfortunately over on gun forums I read people talking about concealed carry into Disney all the time. They say it has gotten harder since they now run everybody through the metal detectors, but not impossible. Some guns are even mostly polymer now.

Not everyone goes through the detectors. I skipped it twice over last weekend.

 

[thomas998]

I made a statement that all airports I fly in and out of don't do that. I've honestly never come across a location that does backward profiling. So I just have a hard time believing it does happen based on experiences and chatting with TSA people. I think many want to believe that they are ignoring "Muslim types" (rose colored glasses and all) but I don't think they are.

Do you really think the TSA is going to admit to any type of profiling? I've watch each person they single out for the extra scrutiny when I fly and there is a typical pattern I notice, mostly older white females get the extra vetting.... which is probably the least likely one to be trying to blow anything up... occasionally I'll seen business guys wearing suits... have never, not once seen them pull someone out that looks middle eastern even though I've seen plenty flying. Granted I'm not sitting outside the security with a paper tracking people all day, but given the gender, race and age of the people I see on the planes I'm on if it were random older white females shouldn't be the overwhelming number that see each time I fly.

 

[thomas998]

I don't think they are particularly strong detectors. I haven't set them off with my bangles which do at other locations (including local hospitals).

The metal detectors have sensitivity that can be varied from practically non-existent to hyper sensitive... Be thankful they aren't set to hypersensitive I recall the first time the local Six Flag started using them, they were insanely sensitive to the point that you pretty much had to strip to nothing to avoid sitting them off... the lines that year were insanely slow.

 

[Incomudro]

I was not aware of the events in Manchester when I was at MK on Monday and DHS/Epcot on Tuesday. Security was streamlined. Sometimes everyone has to go through the metal detector but sometimes it's random. I was a bit concerned though when I went through the metal detector forgetting I had change in my pocket and it didn't catch it. I did notice lots of Orange County officers at Disney Springs on Sunday but not enough to make it feel concerning.

"Terrorist Attacks." or "Murders" will work also.
I'm sorry, but I bristle a the term "events" when we are referring to mass murders of innocents.
A movie premier is an event.
The opening of Pandora is an event.
What happened in Manchester was cold blooded mass murder.

 

[correcaminos]

Do you really think the TSA is going to admit to any type of profiling? I've watch each person they single out for the extra scrutiny when I fly and there is a typical pattern I notice, mostly older white females get the extra vetting.... which is probably the least likely one to be trying to blow anything up... occasionally I'll seen business guys wearing suits... have never, not once seen them pull someone out that looks middle eastern even though I've seen plenty flying. Granted I'm not sitting outside the security with a paper tracking people all day, but given the gender, race and age of the people I see on the planes I'm on if it were random older white females shouldn't be the overwhelming number that see each time I fly.

Friends who are TSA and pilots will tell the truth to me. Maybe your airport is an anomoly to what I have experienced but I sure don't fit that profile you have seen. Again this is all over and many airports in many different large cities. Being a mom helps but it all changes when I fly solo.

 

[rob0519]

Who says it just shrapnel bombs?? People can use all kinds of things to hurt other peoole. I use to carry my firearm in for years into the parks until they put in the detectors. Now that I cant do that i have to settle for a knife. Its better than nothing if the unthinkable happens. Its called be prepared and and it's better than being a sheep and thinking that Disney has everything under control...

Glad all those guns smuggled into the parks by you and others over the years didn't accidentally discharge. How exactly do you define "unthinkable" and what good would a pocket knife do in one of you "unthinkable" situations? Unless you and the perpetrator get into a knife fight, I'm not sure what you're prepared for.

 

[RustySpork]

Glad all those guns smuggled into the parks by you and others over the years didn't accidentally discharge. How exactly do you define "unthinkable" and what good would a pocket knife do in one of you "unthinkable" situations? Unless you and the perpetrator get into a knife fight, I'm not sure what you're prepared for.

Unless they get into a pocket knife fight. Please wait while I disassemble my stroller to remove my knife you heathen. Once I have my trusty pocket knife in hand, I'll whittle a sword and run you through!

 

[Chef Mickey]

I agree with the first part, the second about TSA I'm not sure how that is actually compiled. We don't know WHAT is really missed anymore than we know what is missed by Disney or security at a Chicago Bears game. I worked at Ohare for many years a gun is really hard to miss as is a knife, axe even scissors. You'd need to be asleep to miss those. Guide me to the studies please 'cause I'd love to read them.

You don't know the total missed, but they've done real testing with TSA and they've failed miserably. Essentially, there are government employees purposely taking illegal items through to test the TSA's ability to identify the issues.

 

[Gabe1]

Having worked in that arena I am as comfortable as I would be in any other nation. More actually than lots of nations. If it is as gloom and doom as being veiledly reported terrorist would be dropping our planes like flies

Believe in what makes you most comfortable believing. Me I have no issues boarding a plane here

 

[lazyboy97o]

Having worked in that arena I am as comfortable as I would be in any other nation. More actually than lots of nations. If it is as gloom and doom as being veiledly reported terrorist would be dropping our planes like flies

Believe in what makes you most comfortable believing. Me I have no issues boarding a plane here

The outcome of the Department of Homeland Security's internal tests is not a matter of belief.