News Disney Riviera Resort announced

Missing20K

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Nothing says luxury like an air mattress for $600 a night. How can anyone defend this with a straight face?

And they claim Safety is the first Key.
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bubbles1812

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It's not really a discussion, more of a jack-hammering of a particular point of view using extreme descriptives like "dump" or a total misunderstanding of the site by linking it with its neighbor. They share no entrance, no buses, no amenities. One has absolutely nothing to do with the other, but yes, they are next to each other and you can see each other.

I would never argue that Riviera is an excellent execution of theme. I would never argue that the Murphy beds aren't a problem, but there is a history that makes it par for the course (which is a whole other discussion regarding Disney and DVC), and at least this is recoverable. One really has to wonder which architect/imagineer/DVC exec thought people would love bathrooms without sinks or locking doors at BLT. Yet they did. And correcting that cost a pretty penny.

As for design, I would think based on the announced theming, it would look a bit more like the France Pavilion. However, the resort, as a resort, is nice from everything I've seen. I'll know more after my stay in a month.

Personally, I find BLT no more exciting or themed than any Southeast Florida high-rise condo-plex, and OKW, to me, is nearly identical to a condo complex a friend has in Savannah (save for the colors). CCV is in a beautifully themed resort but the CCV component has virtually nothing that says it's Disney, or even wilderness. My 1 BR had absolutely no Disney IP of any kind in any of the art or details, yet its really very nice and popular.

Some Disney resorts have better theming execution than others. However, poor theming execution doesn't make it a "bad" resort. As for purchasing, I'm done with my current contracts. Between price and restrictions, there are valid reasons to proceed carefully with a Riviera purchase apart from discussion of theme. But again, DVC isn't for everybody and different people look for different things.

I guess I have a hard time understanding something is a discussion when the stakes seem to be "all or nothing."

I don’t really care about the resort itself (though I hope you have a good time visiting! :)) but I wanted to comment on the design...

The France Pavilion is based on the architecture of Paris, which draws mainly from the Belle Époque and Art Noveau eras general building wise (they run fairly parallel, though Art Noveau was shorter) in terms of general building style. It’s got a hodge podge of Gothic and Renaissance in there cause hey, Paris is olllllllllllddddd.

The Riviera is many hundreds of miles from Paris in Southern France. Southern France has an interesting history in that it has heavy roots dating to the Roman Empire. Therefore, much of its architecture is what is called Romanesque (unlike Paris, which has very little). Along with a smattering of other styles. But Art Nouveau had much less influence in the South than the North. In many ways, the French Riviera has more in common with coastal Italian and Spanish cities that it does northern France in terms of historical influence and art.

All that makes me sound like a major nerd (which I am) whose favorite country to visit is France (very true), I know, but the point is that much like in the US, architecture varies from place to place based on history and climate. The architecture of Disney’s Riviera is relatively in keeping with the French southern style. It’s just that less people are familiar with it. :)
 
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lazyboy97o

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I don’t really care about the resort itself (though I hope you have a good time visiting! :)) but I wanted to comment on the design...

The France Pavilion is based on the architecture of Paris, which draws mainly from the Belle Époque and Art Noveau eras general building wise (they run fairly parallel, though Art Noveau was shorter) in terms of general building style. It’s got a hodge podge of Gothic and Renaissance in there cause hey, Paris is olllllllllllddddd.

The Riviera is many hundreds of miles from Paris in Southern France. Southern France has an interesting history in that it has heavy roots dating to the Roman Empire. Therefore, much of its architecture is what is called Romanesque (unlike Paris, which has very little). Along with a smattering of other styles. But Art Nouveau has much less influence in the South than the North.

All that makes me sound like a major nerd (which I am) whose favorite country to visit is France (very true), I know, but the point is that much like in the US, architecture varies from place to place based on history and climate. The architecture of Disney’s Riviera is relatively in keeping with the French southern style. It’s just that less people are familiar with it. :)
The architecture of the France Pavilion and Paris is notable for being in the Second Empire style as a result of Baron Haussmann’s renovation of the city. The Belle Époche is not an architectural style and traditionally starts with the end of the Second Empire and the start of the Third Republic. During both eras in the second half of the 19th century is when the Riviera developed into the resort destination it is still known as today, a period of time when Western architecture was dominated by the École des Beaux-Arts and well over half of a millennium after Romanesque was the fashionable style in France which was even further from the fall of the Western Empire. Romanesque Revival is one of the many styles that flourished during this era but it was never big in France. The Beaux-Arts was very much an influence on the major works in the area, with icons of Paris and the Riviera, the Paris Opera and Monte Carlo Casino both being the work of Charles Garnier. Similar Neoclassical styles viewed through the lens of the École differ between places due to the climatic differences more clearly expressed in the local vernaculars, the Beaux-Arts of the Riviera is far more Italianate with more delicate massing and larger windows than one would find in Paris.

The only near Romanesque characteristic of Disney’s Riviera is large walls. Even if it were a clear example of Romanesque or Romanesque Revival design, that is not even close to how Disney describes the design. Disney has invoked Beaux-Arts, Art Nouveau and Art Deco as descriptors, that people are instead describing it as contemporary or Romanesque is a HUGE difference.
 
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Heppenheimer

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The architecture of the France Pavilion and Paris is notable for being in the Second Empire style as a result of Baron Haussmann’s renovation of the city. The Belle Époche is not an architectural style and traditionally starts with the end of the Second Empire and the start of the Third Republic. During both eras in the second half of the 19th century is when the Riviera developed into the resort destination it is still known as today, a period of time when Western architecture was dominated by the École des Beaux-Arts and well over half of a millennium after Romanesque was the fashionable style in France which was even further from the fall of the Western Empire. Romanesque Revival is one of the many styles that flourished during this era but it was never big in France. The Beaux-Arts was very much an influence on the major works in the area, with icons of Paris and the Riviera, the Paris Opera and Monte Carlo Casino both being the work of Charles Garnier. Similar Neoclassical styles viewed through the lens of the École differ between places due to the climatic differences more clearly expressed in the local vernaculars, the Beaux-Arts of the Riviera is far more Italianate with more delicate massing and larger windows than one would find in Paris.

The only near Romanesque characteristic of Disney’s Riviera is large walls. Even if it were a clear example of Romanesque or Romanesque Revival design, that is not even close to how Disney describes the design. Disney has invoked Beaux-Arts, Art Nouveau and Art Deco as descriptors, that people are instead describing it as contemporary or Romanesque is a HIGE difference.
I'll restate something I wrote earlier, with the caveat that I've only seen the Riviera resort in pictures. Having visited the actual French Riviera with it's Beaux Arts architecture, and having lived in Germany where the related Jungenstil architecture is very common, the only thing that seems to remotely resemble the supposed inspiration of this hotel are the cupolas. Everything else looks like a modern business class hotel. Which is fine for most places, but I stay at Disney resorts for their timeless creative whimsy, not because they closely resemble the modern industry standard.

I'm reminded of the line from the Simpsons, where Marge remarks how "international" the menu is, because it contains items like "Le Pizza" and "Der Hamburger". That's about how Riviera-esque Disney's Riviera Resort looks to me.
 

Creathir

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I'll restate something I wrote earlier, with the caveat that I've only seen the Riviera resort in pictures. Having visited the actual French Riviera with it's Beaux Arts architecture, and having lived in Germany where the related Jungenstil architecture is very common, the only thing that seems to remotely resemble the supposed inspiration of this hotel are the cupolas. Everything else looks like a modern business class hotel. Which is fine for most places, but I stay at Disney resorts for their timeless creative whimsy, not because they closely resemble the modern industry standard.

I'm reminded of the line from the Simpsons, where Marge remarks how "international" the menu is, because it contains items like "Le Pizza" and "Der Hamburger". That's about how Riviera-esque Disney's Riviera Resort looks to me.
To each their own I suppose.

I stay at Disney resorts for their proximity to Disney World and helpful staff.
 

Indy_UK

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I think Riviera will have its fans. I personally find the theming a bit miss-matched but the character breakfast looks fun for kids
 

nickys

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To each their own I suppose.

I stay at Disney resorts for their proximity to Disney World and helpful staff.
So what is supposed to justify the price tag of a Disney deluxe resort then? Carribean beach, Pop and art all have the same proximity and staff.

Not sure what your comment has to do with what @creathir wrote.

But deluxe resort price tags presumably reflect a combination of location, resort amenities and room size.

Now Riviera is a DVC resort, so the cash price also reflects the room amenities as much as anything else. Granted that DVC studios don’t really differ much from a non-DVC room, but the price of them is relative to the other villa types.
 

TrainsOfDisney

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Not sure what your comment has to do with what @creathir wrote.

But deluxe resort price tags presumably reflect a combination of location, resort amenities and room size.

Now Riviera is a DVC resort, so the cash price also reflects the room amenities as much as anything else. Granted that DVC studios don’t really differ much from a non-DVC room, but the price of them is relative to the other villa types.

Creathir wrote that in reply to others questioning the theming and design of the resort, as if to to say that they don’t care about the design, theme, and details all that matters is the the proximity to the parks and friendly Disney staff. So my question is... what is supposed to separate Riveria and it’s high price tag from the next door carribean beach, Pop, and art. I would think attention to detail, theming, etc. would be part of that and certainly is in Disney’s best deluxe resorts like the wilderness lodge and animal kingdom lodge.
 

TrainsOfDisney

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My personal opinion after seeing Riveria in person.... it looks downright ugly in the sunlight. The ghost of John hench must be coming to haunt the place.

However the mosaic and fountains are really nice and I fell for all the photos of Walt’s travels and such. The resort feels like Vegas resort and not a Disney resort but I’m not the target demo so maybe that’s a good thing? (For me, Animal Kingdom Lodge, Wilderness Lodge, Boardwalk and Port Orleans are the resorts I most want to stay at.)
 

easyrowrdw

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So what is supposed to justify the price tag of a Disney deluxe resort then? Carribean beach, Pop and art all have the same proximity and staff.

As Nickys said, with a deluxe resort you generally have a good location, nice resort amenities, and bigger rooms. You're right that Caribbean and Pop have basically the same location advantage. Riviera would seem to have it beat on room size and resort amenities, though.

But it's DVC so I think that should really be the comparison. The Seven Seas resorts get me easy access to two parks and big(ger) rooms. The Crescent Lake resorts get me easy - perhaps easier as I don't have to rely on a gondola - access to two parks, though the rooms are a little smaller.

But now you have to factor in price per point, years left on the contract, point chart, and resale restrictions. I think the first two are in favor of Riviera, but the third and fourth are big knocks against it.
 
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ImperfectPixie

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As Nickys said, with a deluxe resort you generally have a good location, nice resort amenities, and bigger rooms. You're right that Caribbean and Pop have basically the same location advantage. Riviera would seem to have it beat on room size and resort amenities, though.

But it's DVC so I think that should really be the comparison. The Seven Seas resorts get me easy access to two parks and big(ger) rooms. The Crescent Lake resorts get me easy - perhaps easier as I don't have to rely on a gondola - access to two parks, though the rooms are a little smaller.

But now you have to factor in price per point, years left on the contract, point chart, and resale restrictions. I think the first two are in favor of Riviera, but the third and fourth are big knocks against it.
Bigger rooms? All the rooms I've seen in videos/pics at Riviera have been tiny for the number of people they're supposed to sleep. Even my husband (who isn't typically up on what's trendy) asked if they were following the "tiny house" trend.
 

nickys

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Bigger rooms? All the rooms I've seen in videos/pics at Riviera have been tiny for the number of people they're supposed to sleep. Even my husband (who isn't typically up on what's trendy) asked if they were following the "tiny house" trend.

Were those the Tower Studios for two people?

The multi-bed villas are a similar square footage to other DVC, although the masters are small because of the bathroom layout.
 
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carolina_yankee

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Square footage of the different rooms at Riviera:

Tower Studio: 255 sf
Deluxe Studio: 423 sf
1 BR: 813 sf
2 BR: 1246 sf
GV: 2530 sf

The Deluxe Studios are significantly larger than the standard DVC Deluxe Studio, which hover around 350 sf. A moderate resort room is around 315 sf. A Deluxe resort room is around 340 - 440 sf (smaller AKL and WL to Epcot in the middle to MK on the larger side).

I think some non-DVC people are confusing the Tower Studios for Deluxe Studios. This is the first resort to have two different kinds of studios. The Tower Studio is indeed on the Tiny House concept (but is still larger than a stateroom on the Magic or Fantasy).
 

mj2v

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Square footage of the different rooms at Riviera:

Tower Studio: 255 sf
Deluxe Studio: 423 sf
1 BR: 813 sf
2 BR: 1246 sf
GV: 2530 sf

The Deluxe Studios are significantly larger than the standard DVC Deluxe Studio, which hover around 350 sf. A moderate resort room is around 315 sf. A Deluxe resort room is around 340 - 440 sf (smaller AKL and WL to Epcot in the middle to MK on the larger side).

I think some non-DVC people are confusing the Tower Studios for Deluxe Studios. This is the first resort to have two different kinds of studios. The Tower Studio is indeed on the Tiny House concept (but is still larger than a stateroom on the Magic or Fantasy).
Please. Let’s not let actual numbers and facts ruin a perfectly good bunch of complaints by people who watched YouTube videos.

this is the Internet, you know.
 

easyrowrdw

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Bigger rooms? All the rooms I've seen in videos/pics at Riviera have been tiny for the number of people they're supposed to sleep. Even my husband (who isn't typically up on what's trendy) asked if they were following the "tiny house" trend.

As the others mentioned, you're probably thinking of the Tower Studios. Those are different from any other room on property. The others are typical styles and some of the larger DVC rooms at Disney World. http://www.mouseowners.com/forums/showthread.php?t=91901
 

TrainsOfDisney

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Please. Let’s not let actual numbers and facts ruin a perfectly good bunch of complaints by people who watched YouTube videos.

this is the Internet, you know.

? I didn’t watch a YouTube video. I visited the resort myself. I gave my positive and negative opinions of the resort. Have you visited the resort? What did you think of it?
 

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