Rumor Disney resort of some kind in Texas?

[Vegas Disney Fan]

EXACTLY! none of the parks are built out as they should be...Starting another half-baked park at another locations would be crazy...and would cannibalize off their own audience... Finish the parks as they stand....heck, forget beyond Thunder Mountain, and start with what is there... Tomorrowland is in terrible shape...use the Speedway area for something that feels futuristic...Flesh out the lands that are already in existence....THEN think about Beyond Thunder Mountain....

I agree the focus should be on updating and replacing existing areas but if I ran Disney I’d be placing most my efforts into trying to get more people to visit HS, AK, EP, and DCA rather than trying to pull more people into DL and MK, the paths, viewing areas, etc are often packed like sardines (despite them continuously taking out trees and grass to widen them), no matter how many rides they add in the back they can only pack so many people into Main Street and the walkways before it’s a serious safety issue.

They may be able to pack in another 1 or 2 million people by adding another land but the best way to drastically increase attendance at the castle parks is to build another castle park that can hold another 20 million people a year.

 

[UNCgolf]

WDW is but MK isn’t, that’s the problem for Disney, whether it’s EP, AK, HS, DCA, the Studio Park, etc they’ve never come up with a park idea that can draw guests like their castle parks do, even Tokyo DisneySea fails to attract as many guests as Tokyo Disneyland.

EPCOT did for about a decade.

Maybe because it was so completely different from a castle park, and also full of attractions that took a few hours to experience.

Just about everything else they've opened has been severely underbuilt, to the point that DHS and DAK are still far behind where they should be 20+ years later. They keep on replacing instead of adding, though -- sometimes it's warranted, like if they choose to eliminate an essentially unused area like Launch Bay, and other times it's not.

 

[JMcMahonEsq]

EPCOT did for about a decade.

Maybe because it was so completely different from a castle park, and also full of attractions that took a few hours to experience.

Just about everything else they've opened has been severely underbuilt, to the point that DHS and DAK are still far behind where they should be 20+ years later. They keep on replacing instead of adding, though -- sometimes it's warranted, like if they choose to eliminate an essentially unused area like Launch Bay, and other times it's not.

I am not sure there would ever be an intent, or ability to try to have DHS/AK or Epcot draw like MK...nor on a macro level do i think its possible.

MK is the largest and most attended Theme park in the world. Why would anyone expect AK, DHS, Epcott, your second, third, and fourth locations in Orlando, to draw like the the most popular park in the world.

Put another way the Castle park is the headliner, its meant to be the showcase park, the jewel of whatever location its in. the other parks are there to supplement it, offer potentially different experience, but aren't trying to be their own stars of the show so to speak.

 

[britain]

I am not sure there would ever be an intent, or ability to try to have DHS/AK or Epcot draw like MK...nor on a macro level do i think its possible.

MK is the largest and most attended Theme park in the world. Why would anyone expect AK, DHS, Epcott, your second, third, and fourth locations in Orlando, to draw like the the most popular park in the world.

Put another way the Castle park is the headliner, its meant to be the showcase park, the jewel of whatever location its in. the other parks are there to supplement it, offer potentially different experience, but aren't trying to be their own stars of the show so to speak.

“DCA will probably fill to capacity regularly when it opens, but fortunately guests that are turned away can settle for Disneyland.”

 

[JMcMahonEsq]

“DCA will probably fill to capacity regularly when it opens, but fortunately guests that are turned away can settle for Disneyland.”

While I don't get your point, as I was talking about the Orlando Parks from a quick search for attendance figures for California.

Disneyland attendance total for 2023:​

17.250 million visitors

Percentage increase in Disneyland attendance total from 2022-2023:​

2.2%

Average number of Disneyland visitors per month in 2023 (global):​

1.437 million visitors per month

Average number of Disneyland visitors per week in 2023 (global):​

331,731 visitors per week

Average number of Disneyland visitors per day in 2023 (global):​

47,260 visitors per day

Disneyland attendance total for 2022:​

16,881 million visitors

Disneyland attendance total for 2021:​

8.573 million visitors

Disneyland attendance total for 2020:​

3.674 million visitors

Disneyland attendance total for 2019:​

18.67 million visitors

Disneyland attendance total for 2018:​

18.67 million visitors

Disneyland attendance total for 2017:​

18.3 million visitors

Disneyland attendance total for 2016:​

17.9 million visitors

Disneyland attendance total for 2015:​

18.3 million visitors

Verse DCA

Disney California Adventure attendance total for 2023:​

10 million visitors

Percentage increase in Disneyland attendance total from 2022-2023:​

11.1%

Average number of Disney California Adventure visitors per month in 2023 (global):​

833,333 visitors per month

Average number of Disney California Adventure visitors per week in 2023 (global):​

192,308 visitors per week

Average number of Disney California Adventure visitors per day in 2023 (global):​

27,397 visitors per day

Disney California Adventure attendance total for 2022:​

9 million visitors

Disney California Adventure attendance total for 2021:​

4.977 million visitors

Disney California Adventure attendance total for 2020:​

1.919 million visitors

Disney California Adventure attendance total for 2019:​

9.861 million visitors

Disney California Adventure attendance total for 2018:​

9.861 million visitors

Disney California Adventure attendance total for 2017:​

9.574 million visitors

Disney California Adventure attendance total for 2016:​

9.3 million visitors

Disney California Adventure attendance total for 2015:​

9.4 million visitors

The Caste Park still reigns supreme

 

[britain]

While I don't get your point, as I was talking about the Orlando Parks from a quick search for attendance figures for California.

Disneyland attendance total for 2023:​

17.250 million visitors

Percentage increase in Disneyland attendance total from 2022-2023:​

2.2%

Average number of Disneyland visitors per month in 2023 (global):​

1.437 million visitors per month

Average number of Disneyland visitors per week in 2023 (global):​

331,731 visitors per week

Average number of Disneyland visitors per day in 2023 (global):​

47,260 visitors per day

Disneyland attendance total for 2022:​

16,881 million visitors

Disneyland attendance total for 2021:​

8.573 million visitors

Disneyland attendance total for 2020:​

3.674 million visitors

Disneyland attendance total for 2019:​

18.67 million visitors

Disneyland attendance total for 2018:​

18.67 million visitors

Disneyland attendance total for 2017:​

18.3 million visitors

Disneyland attendance total for 2016:​

17.9 million visitors

Disneyland attendance total for 2015:​

18.3 million visitors

Verse DCA

Disney California Adventure attendance total for 2023:​

10 million visitors

Percentage increase in Disneyland attendance total from 2022-2023:​

11.1%

Average number of Disney California Adventure visitors per month in 2023 (global):​

833,333 visitors per month

Average number of Disney California Adventure visitors per week in 2023 (global):​

192,308 visitors per week

Average number of Disney California Adventure visitors per day in 2023 (global):​

27,397 visitors per day

Disney California Adventure attendance total for 2022:​

9 million visitors

Disney California Adventure attendance total for 2021:​

4.977 million visitors

Disney California Adventure attendance total for 2020:​

1.919 million visitors

Disney California Adventure attendance total for 2019:​

9.861 million visitors

Disney California Adventure attendance total for 2018:​

9.861 million visitors

Disney California Adventure attendance total for 2017:​

9.574 million visitors

Disney California Adventure attendance total for 2016:​

9.3 million visitors

Disney California Adventure attendance total for 2015:​

9.4 million visitors

The Caste Park still reigns supreme

No worries. I was talking about management’s ridiculous original expectations for DCA.

 

[Vegas Disney Fan]

I am not sure there would ever be an intent, or ability to try to have DHS/AK or Epcot draw like MK...nor on a macro level do i think its possible.

MK is the largest and most attended Theme park in the world. Why would anyone expect AK, DHS, Epcott, your second, third, and fourth locations in Orlando, to draw like the the most popular park in the world.

Put another way the Castle park is the headliner, its meant to be the showcase park, the jewel of whatever location its in. the other parks are there to supplement it, offer potentially different experience, but aren't trying to be their own stars of the show so to speak.

Tokyo Disney Sea is by far the closest, it gets about 85% of Tokyo DLs attendance, that’s compared to about 50-65% of DL/MK attendance for the secondary US parks.

I don’t think the secondary US parks will ever get to 85% but if they could get even 75% of the castle park visitors to also visit the secondary parks it would add millions of visitors to each park.

 

[DarkMetroid567]

Tokyo Disney Sea is by far the closest, it gets about 85% of Tokyo DLs attendance, that’s compared to about 50-65% of DL/MK attendance for the secondary US parks.

I don’t think the secondary US parks will ever get to 85% but if they could get even 75% of the castle park visitors to also visit the secondary parks it would add millions of visitors to each park.

I think by 2030 DCA will get significantly closer, though I doubt they’d hit 75% (which, this year, would be roughly 13 million).

Four parks is just really hard to balance at WDW. I think EPCOT will stay #2 for awhile, but it’s too easy to pick-and-choose certain parks for individual trips. I wonder if the same will happen at UOR post-Epic. Islands of Adventure might be the only park with higher attendance than it’s original/anchor park, but I imagine that’s because Universal Studios Florida has been a lackluster park for so long now.

 

[MR.Dis]

I think by 2030 DCA will get significantly closer, though I doubt they’d hit 75% (which, this year, would be roughly 13 million).

Four parks is just really hard to balance at WDW. I think EPCOT will stay #2 for awhile, but it’s too easy to pick-and-choose certain parks for individual trips. I wonder if the same will happen at UOR post-Epic. Islands of Adventure might be the only park with higher attendance than it’s original/anchor park, but I imagine that’s because Universal Studios Florida has been a lackluster park for so long now.

Epcot really carved out a niche for itself with the Flower/Garden and Beer/Wine Festivals. The draw on these events is staggering, marketing genius.

 

[JoeCamel]

The fact that Disney keeps pushing lightning lane and timeshares, and that their “expansions” in Florida tend to be replacements indicates to me that they are sensing a ceiling to how much they can squeeze out of WDW.

When you have a CEO that famously said "Parks are a mature business" in 2013 and is still running the company today it is not hard to understand why things are where they are in Florida. Expansions of timeshares are a bigger deal than expanding parks.
Waiting on actual plans and construction to begin......

 

[BrianLo]

The fact that Disney keeps pushing lightning lane and timeshares, and that their “expansions” in Florida tend to be replacements indicates to me that they are sensing a ceiling to how much they can squeeze out of WDW.

I agree the focus should be on updating and replacing existing areas…

It’s funny to me that basically they are getting criticized from both camps. They are replacing too much and not expanding. Versus they are not replacing enough.

Which probably means the balance is actually right… and they just need to do more.

 

[BrianLo]

When you have a CEO that famously said "Parks are a mature business" in 2013 and is still running the company today it is not hard to understand why things are where they are in Florida. Expansions of timeshares are a bigger deal than expanding parks.
Waiting on actual plans and construction to begin......

Definitely, that’s what lead WDW to where it is. Though he has changed his tune more recently.

We tend to judge these leadership runs as one blob. But they do pivot, sometimes for the better and often the worse. But Bob 2.0 seems awfully experiences positive as of late. I’d even argue the end of his tenure from 2016-2019 was fairly parks forward, but unwound by Chapek.

If nothing else, the cruise ship tripling is one sign. One that they actually can’t really contractually walk back as easily either.

 

[JoeCamel]

Definitely, that’s what lead WDW to where it is. Though he has changed his tune more recently.

We tend to judge these leadership runs as one blob. But they do pivot, sometimes for the better and often the worse. But Bob 2.0 seems awfully experiences positive as of late. I’d even argue the end of his tenure from 2016-2019 was fairly parks forward, but unwound by Chapek.

If nothing else, the cruise ship tripling is one sign. One that they actually can’t really contractually walk back as easily either.

No question DCL is seen as the future

 

[BrianLo]

No question DCL is seen as the future

That’s definitely where this decades ‘new resort’ money has gone.

 

[TomboyJanet]

It’s funny to me that basically they are getting criticized from both camps. They are replacing too much and not expanding. Versus they are not replacing enough.

Which probably means the balance is actually right… and they just need to do more.

so your idea of a compromise is to please nobody... nice I appreciate the honesty

 

[BrianLo]

so your idea of a compromise is to please nobody... nice I appreciate the honesty

Thanks for the feedback? It’s not my company, I just was pointing out their interesting differences in perspectives. I actually think it’s relatively balanced, but some controversial choices were made with this round of replacements.

I’m in the do more and everyone will be happier camp.

 

[TomboyJanet]

Thanks for the feedback? It’s not my company, I just was pointing out their interesting differences in perspectives. I actually think it’s relatively balanced, but some controversial choices were made with this round of replacements.

I’m in the do more and everyone will be happier camp.

My thought is they are catering too much to the ip crowd and not to the people who love the original ideas. I think this is because they are creatively bankrupt at this point and so far every new announcement proves me right....to myself

In other words, the parks used to generate its own ip and now they can't come up with that because they have to use existing stuff because they can't think of new things

 

[Vegas Disney Fan]

It’s funny to me that basically they are getting criticized from both camps. They are replacing too much and not expanding. Versus they are not replacing enough.

Which probably means the balance is actually right… and they just need to do more.

I think those complaints primarily come because they replace popular attractions while ignoring the areas that desperately need replacing.

Alien/Stitch encounter has been sitting empty for a decade, the peoplemover has been sitting empty for a couple decades in DL, the Captain EO theater sits empty, the play pavilion has sat empty for at least a decade at Epcot, many of the theaters across all the parks have been sitting empty since Covid, the Star Wars launch bays in DL and HS have been wasted space since both Galaxy’s edge opened half a decade ago… and nearly every time they announce a new ride they also close something that people already enjoy to build it.

Rather than adding capacity by using unused or underused space they keep replacing open rides with newer rides and it feels like the capacity stays the same.

 

[BrianLo]

I think those complaints primarily come because they replace popular attractions while ignoring the areas that desperately need replacing.

Alien/Stitch encounter has been sitting empty for a decade, the peoplemover has been sitting empty for a couple decades in DL, the Captain EO theater sits empty, the play pavilion has sat empty for at least a decade at Epcot, many of the theaters across all the parks have been sitting empty since Covid, the Star Wars launch bays in DL and HS have been wasted space since both Galaxy’s edge opened half a decade ago… and nearly every time they announce a new ride they also close something that people already enjoy to build it.

Rather than adding capacity by using unused or underused space they keep replacing open rides with newer rides and it feels like the capacity stays the same.

No complaints here.

DAK hits the right balance of addressing the one area of the park that needed addressing. Albeit I want more out of DAK still. Villains scratches the actual expansion itch. Both are at least multi franchise holder lands, in theory. The Villains show and Mermaid at DHS are both great needed moves.

Then it’s all mostly diminishing returns and controversial decisions from there.

 

[TomboyJanet]

I agree the focus should be on updating and replacing existing areas but if I ran Disney I’d be placing most my efforts into trying to get more people to visit HS, AK, EP, and DCA rather than trying to pull more people into DL and MK, the paths, viewing areas, etc are often packed like sardines (despite them continuously taking out trees and grass to widen them), no matter how many rides they add in the back they can only pack so many people into Main Street and the walkways before it’s a serious safety issue.

They may be able to pack in another 1 or 2 million people by adding another land but the best way to drastically increase attendance at the castle parks is to build another castle park that can hold another 20 million people a year.

Wait I may be a bit dumb but, why does it matter which park they go to? the money all goes to the same place right? I get that there are investments made in each park but if they balance eachother out what's really the difference?