News Disney removing plastic straws and more by mid-2019

ninjaprincesst

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And what about the people that worked for the companies that manufactured the straws the toiletries? They just lost their jobs, that is a big deal. And no I will never use the community toiletries in the room that is just nasty, I can tell you the new norm for a lot of people will be ringing their own toiletries, and straws and plastic bags for purchases (the reusable bags will allow expensive purchases to be soaked by Florida rain) in the end it will be a lot more plastic
 

Jon81uk

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I agree that it's not silly, but I also see what @s8film40 is saying about how it's not the most impactful policy. Given that most QS meals are actually eaten on-premise, it would be really great if they could shift to using reusable tableware and flatware. Then they could do the same as Ikea with busing whole trays. This would enable them to compost more easily as well since they wouldn't have to separate it out of the waste stream.

I'd view it as a real plus not only for environmental reasons, but because I hate eating on or with plastic. Meals served on real tableware is just much more pleasant to me.

Also at Disneyland they already do use reusable plastic plates and metal cutlery at many quick service outlets.
The food court at Art of Animation is the only one at WDW I think does, I can't see any reason why they shouldn't switch all food courts to reusable plates and silverware.

Whereas trying to drink a Frozen Coke with a paper straw just doesn't quite work (and its even worse with those narrow Mickey straws).
 

LittleBuford

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And what about the people that worked for the companies that manufactured the straws the toiletries? They just lost their jobs, that is a big deal. And no I will never use the community toiletries in the room that is just nasty, I can tell you the new norm for a lot of people will be ringing their own toiletries, and straws and plastic bags for purchases (the reusable bags will allow expensive purchases to be soaked by Florida rain) in the end it will be a lot more plastic

Either they just lost their jobs, or it will end up being a lot more plastic, which means they haven't. You can't have it both ways.
 

Jon81uk

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And what about the people that worked for the companies that manufactured the straws the toiletries? They just lost their jobs, that is a big deal. And no I will never use the community toiletries in the room that is just nasty, I can tell you the new norm for a lot of people will be ringing their own toiletries, and straws and plastic bags for purchases (the reusable bags will allow expensive purchases to be soaked by Florida rain) in the end it will be a lot more plastic

Do you take your own soap into the washrooms in the park as well?
 

Santa Raccoon 77

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s8film40

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Yes, they could and should be doing more. But the idea that the straw ban will somehow buy Disney goodwill and thereby excuse them from having to undertake more substantial measures is groundless. On the contrary (and as this thread proves), it only serves to focus greater attention on their environmental record.
Well it's equally groundless to assume they weren't considering more meaningful measures before deciding on the straw thing. My point is perpetuating these small insignificant things in the public eye as great environmental improvements is more harmful than good. Make some real significant changes and they will gain my praise, but yeah when they do so little otherwise something like this definitely enters the realm of silly.

It's like if your house was flooding so you got a small cup and started scooping the water out. Sure as you say no one can say you're not helping the problem, but you look really silly doing it.
 

larryz

I'm Just A Tourist!
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But you do have to provide equal access, right? I mean they can't specifically charge more for an ADA room or for bus access, right?

So are you saying that you think Disney will charge for ADA straws if they legally can?

I'd bet that they don't, even if they could. It's the kind of thing where they'd get millions of dollars in negative publicity in an effort to save a penny a straw.
I'm afraid it has come to this...
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lazyboy97o

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And what about the people that worked for the companies that manufactured the straws the toiletries? They just lost their jobs, that is a big deal. And no I will never use the community toiletries in the room that is just nasty, I can tell you the new norm for a lot of people will be ringing their own toiletries, and straws and plastic bags for purchases (the reusable bags will allow expensive purchases to be soaked by Florida rain) in the end it will be a lot more plastic
What about people who used to make the parts for cathode ray tubes for televisions and computer monitors?
 

LittleBuford

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Well it's equally groundless to assume they weren't considering more meaningful measures before deciding on the straw thing. My point is perpetuating these small insignificant things in the public eye as great environmental improvements is more harmful than good. Make some real significant changes and they will gain my praise, but yeah when they do so little otherwise something like this definitely enters the realm of silly.

It's like if your house was flooding so you got a small cup and started scooping the water out. Sure as you say no one can say you're not helping the problem, but you look really silly doing it.

No, it's not. Your assumption is purely speculative (unless you have some insider info you're not sharing). Mine is based on the fact that the straw-ban phenomenon (which is neither small nor insignificant) is fuelling a larger conversation about what we can do for the environment.

Anyway, I don't think this is a productive conversation. Let's just agree to differ.
 

s8film40

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No, it's not. Your assumption is purely speculative (unless you have some insider info you're not sharing). Mine is based on the fact that the straw-ban phenomenon (which is neither small nor insignificant) is fuelling a larger conversation about what we can do for the environment.

Anyway, I don't think this is a productive conversation. Let's just agree to differ.
Yeah your assumption is purely speculative too. Neither of us know for sure what Disney is/was planning and thinking. I'm only trying to raise the point that it's possible and likely that at least some companies and possibly Disney were planning to implement something more substantial before the straw fad came along.

You're clearly really into this straw thing and that's fine. I'm only trying to say we need to look at things a little broader and recognize this straw thing for the minimal thing it is when so much more could be done. Surely you don't disagree that more could be done. I think in reality we agree on on most of this just differ on where we think the focus should be.
 

Lensman

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And what about the people that worked for the companies that manufactured the straws the toiletries? They just lost their jobs, that is a big deal.

In the medium-term, this is actually a plus for jobs because cheap disposable straws are the low-cost low-margin solution that employs the minimum of people.

For a local employment maxima, it would be ideal to replace them with artisanal locally-handcrafted straws made from 100% domestically sourced materials. Either that or high-tech carbon-fiber straws.

I actually think most drinks will be served without lids but in the case where they use "sippy lids", bans like this will actually spark engineering employment to design these lids, including manufacturing processes. You'll also get some boost as manufacturers buy new tooling to make the lids in quantity. It is this kind of domestic demand that moves manufacturing back to the U.S. Finally, as the rest of the world follows the U.S. into the anti-straw madness, we'll be able to initially export the new lids and ultimately export the manufacturing tooling for these lids. And who knows, the lids could be cheaper than the old lid+straw combo and so we'll see almost universal worldwide domination.

I don't know where Disney sourced its straws but most cheap disposable straws are made in China. I don't want to create an international incident, but I'm not as concerned about keeping overseas workers employed in order to support my straw habit.

And no I will never use the community toiletries in the room that is just nasty, I can tell you the new norm for a lot of people will be ringing their own toiletries,
I think a fair number of people don't use the community shampoo or body wash because they prefer to bring their salon-grade luxury shampoo and body wash from home. It's what's in the bottle that matters the most to people, I think, not the bottle itself.

and straws and plastic bags for purchases (the reusable bags will allow expensive purchases to be soaked by Florida rain) in the end it will be a lot more plastic
I don't know about you, but if I have an expensive water-sensitive purchase, I'm not depending on the open-topped disposable bag for protection. I normally stuff all purchases into our waterproof day-pack anyway.

Apologies for seeming so serious about this. I'm not, but I can't resist these weird trivial discussions.
 

LittleBuford

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Yeah your assumption is purely speculative too. Neither of us know for sure what Disney is/was planning and thinking. I'm only trying to raise the point that it's possible and likely that at least some companies and possibly Disney were planning to implement something more substantial before the straw fad came along.

You're clearly really into this straw thing and that's fine. I'm only trying to say we need to look at things a little broader and recognize this straw thing for the minimal thing it is when so much more could be done. Surely you don't disagree that more could be done. I think in reality we agree on on most of this just differ on where we think the focus should be.

I never said anything about what Disney may or may not be planning for the future; I merely argued that the straw ban only increases the pressure on them to do better environmentally. Whether they actually act on that pressure is another matter.

I already agreed that they could and should be doing more. Straws should not be the long-term focus, and I don't believe they will be after the new policy becomes rapidly normalised.
 

flynnibus

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But if the sturdy reusable bag is made of thicker heavier plastic, so it can be reusable and lets say it’s 4x the plastic then if it gets reused once it’s half the number of bags thrown away but it has doubled the amount of actual plastic content being sent to the landfill.

The mass of the bag isn’t really the big problem... we have methods for the non degradable stuff. It’s that the extra bags represent more opportunities for bags not to be processed correctly. And over the long haul... the number of bags given out when they are worthless... will always be exaggerated verse if they are treated as valuable.

Even if it doesn’t reduce amount of plastic... it reduces waste and potential for abuse.

A refillable water bottle takes more plastic than a single use one... we don’t consider that wasteful.
 

flynnibus

Premium Member
That's where I see the problem lies..If you decide to not get the bag and decide to carry it with you how are they going to deal with shoplifting issues? I don't recall seeing security tags on the shirts but, I did see security gates by the doorways..

You act like they do now??
 

flynnibus

Premium Member
Paper straws get soggy and are not practical for disabled people or small children

Is that everyone? No? Ok, then it will reduce plastic usage

the plastic stirrers will have to be replaced with wooden ones, thus killing trees

Except those trees are a renewable resource. They also are biodegradable. Things plastic does not offer.

and the dispensers for toiletries in the rooms are first of all cheap , a 400 a night room with motel 6 extras , and second ewww gross, so people are going to have to bring their own and when flying are now going to have to put every single item in their suitcase in a ziplock to protect from spills thanks to the TSA not returning toiletries to their ziplock bags so there is a ton more plastic use than just a straw.

Stigmatize much? You think the Disney branded stuff is different because it’s in a bottle?

Your argument is full of fallacies that ignore the result will be reduced usage... which means it will infact mean something
 

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