Disney, nostalgia, and the future

HauntedPirate

Park nostalgist
Premium Member
Original Poster
Some thoughts and opinions that have been bouncing around my head for a while.

WDW has been "running" on nostalgia since at least 2005, when Bob Iger took over as CEO, and possibly for several years prior to that. They are have been cashing in on nostalgia for years, as evidenced by the increasing profits of the Parks & Resorts division, and believe they can continue to do so for decades to come. However, there are already a growing number of former and potential guests who make comments in social media that they can't, or won't, visit WDW because of how expensive it has become. It used to be a vacation destination that was within reach of the middle class to be able to visit annually, or at least every 2 years, and that included my family growing up. I was able to visit every year, sometimes more than once a year, with my own family until around 2009. We would almost always take a 7 night vacation at WDW, even after we bought in to DVC in 2005. But prices increased to the point where we had to scale back our vacations starting around 2009 to 4 to 5 nights. But that was OK with us, as we had been there enough times, and there really wasn't anything new to experience, that we knew we weren't missing out on anything if we didn't get to ride a particular ride, or see a particular show. We did what we liked to do, and knew because of our DVC ownership that we'd be back if there was something we didn't get to do and wanted to do it. On top of that, we sometimes stay off-site if we find a great deal and had used up our DVC points for the use year. And a rental car is almost a given these days, as it allows so much more freedom while on vacation, not to mention the cost savings of being able to buy your own food and beverages to have in the room instead of paying the over-inflated Disney prices. Thankfully, as DVC members we are not (currently) subject to the new parking fee being foisted onto those staying overnight at a Disney resort.

How much longer can Disney cash in on the nostalgia of guests who visited in the 70's, 80's, and 90's? They used to blaze new paths around the theme park experience. They used to create *original* rides and attractions that would blow you away. They used to do things that you didn't know you'd like or want or expect until you experienced it. Now, everything is run with a "de-risk" and "cost containment" mentality. One need look only to their wrist while walking around WDW and seeing the wait times for most rides and attractions to understand "cost containment". MagicBands and FP+ have allowed Disney to scale back operations and increase wait times, and guests are now simply expecting long waits, sadly. They use known quantities - movie IP - rather than creating something new and original (De-risk). Movie IP means merchandise, and merchandise means higher profit margins. "Universal did it with Harry Potter, and they're making lots of money, and we have lots of movie IP now, so that has to be the model to follow" seems to be the strategy they've moved to now. And by descending to the lowest common denominator (read: movie IP/hot-property-of-the-minute all over the parks), they cheapen the overall theme park experience. It's becoming a fancy, expensive version of any other park you can visit around the country. They aren't creating "magic" like in decades past. They aren't creating those memories, that nostalgia, which the theme parks used to create. There used to be a true "Disney difference" to your theme park visit. That is no longer the case. You are now treated like a customer, a number, and a source of revenue instead of a valued guest. What do many guests remember now? How expensive their vacation was. How long the lines were. How packed the parks were. How below-average the food was. That's not "creating magic", or giving guests a reason to come back in the future, no matter how much marketing and PR they put behind "the MAGIC!!!". I heard recently (second-hand, admittedly) that Disney asked Google to run some surveys and analytics on recent guests and what they remembered. Take a guess as to what the top 2 things were that kids surveyed remembered? The monorail and the pools. For a place that projects themselves as a "premium expeience" (and they certainly charge a premium price for it) that is both telling and cannot be good. To me, that also exhibits just how important the monorails are and why they need to invest in them rather than doing the minimum required to keep them running. "Good enough" is now the Disney standard, whereas that was unacceptable in the past. "Good enough" gets you by to the next fiscal quarter, but sacrifices long-term strategy.

Disney used to set the standard. Now, they simply follow the pack. Everest was the last original attraction built, and I fear it may be the *last* original attraction built unless there is new blood at the top and they get rid of this "de-risk/cost containment/movie IP-only" mindset of the Iger and Chapek era. I think many believe there can and is a happy medium between quarterly financial results and being a creative company, but the Bob's won't even entertain the thought. Look at the rides being built and/or have been built at WDW have been/are being based on in the past 12 years - Tron. Ratatouille. Frozen. Pandora. Star Wars. Toy Story. Little Mermaid. Seven Dwarves. The example is even greater when you expand and look at other Disney theme parks around the world. More Pixar. More Marvel coming seemingly everywhere. Not to mention, most of those are Iger acquisitions, which could be its own interesting in-depth analysis. But where are the Figments? Where are the Great Movie Rides and Towers of Terror? Where are the Haunted Mansions and Pirates? Where are the original ideas/rides/attractions Disney used to excel at, like Spaceship Earth and Horizons and the Great Movie Ride, that created the good will and nostalgia they are happily cashing in on today? There is no appetite for creativity in the upper levels of TWDC, and that's a problem. Disney is somewhat unique in that it has traditionally been at its best when there was a creative type helping run the company alongside a "money guy". That ying/yang balance has been missing since Frank Wells' death in 1994, and I think it's quite reflective in what we see in the theme parks today. No longer do we get grand attractions like Pirates of the Caribbean (Especially the original at Disneyland), Splash Mountain, World of Motion, the Great Movie Ride, Horizons, Universe of Energy, etc. We instead get rides that last 3-5 minutes, if we're lucky. Not to mention, those new, shorter rides don't usually have the per-hour capacity of those which they replaced. In my opinion, replacing grand attractions with 3-5 minute rides isn't a sustainable direction, as eventually guests will tire of those short rides sooner rather than later (such is the case when using what's hot today, it likely won't be hot long-term), likely sooner than later if/when leveraging the hot-property-of-the-month. If that happens, then they will need to spend more to "keep up with the times". It becomes a vicious cycle that I don't think Disney truly has any appetite for, but it's the direction in which they seem to be heading.

If extracting maximum dollars out of every guest is now their goal, I guess they are knocking it out of the park. But how much longer will that continue? What happens when the next recession hits? They are acting like one will never come again, or if there is one, guests will simply continue to fill up the parks unabated, and spend like they are spending today. What happens when more and more potential guests see the price tag and simply say, "No thanks", particularly if there is a recession? Sure, they'll offer up discounts and deals in an attempt to lure guests to Orlando, but with Universal upping their game and theme park offerings, will that be enough next time?

From my perspective, Disney needs to get back to what made the company and its theme parks great - Creating new and unique rides, attractions, and experiences. It needs to take chances. It needs to be "Disney" again, and not just "the Disney brand" that Iger is so laser-focused on. Until that happens, until they can live up to the standards they set in decades past while creating the goodwill the current management team is happily cash in on today, I am setting my expectations low (Except for food/ticket/room prices, of course). I think their focus is solely on pleasing Wall Street and not on being a great company any longer.
 

CaptainAmerica

Premium Member
WDW has been "running" on nostalgia since at least 2005, when Bob Iger took over as CEO, and possibly for several years prior to that.
"To all that come to this happy place: welcome. Disneyland is your land. Here age relives fond memories of the past, and here youth may savor the challenge and promise of the future. Disneyland is dedicated to the ideals, the dreams, and the hard facts that have created America... with hope that it will be a source of joy and inspiration to all the world."
- Walt Disney, 1955

Nostalgia is literally the point.
 

RandySavage

Well-Known Member
I think the Pirate's point isn't that Disney parks haven't always been based on nostalgia (which they have) or promotion of the studio output, but is new Nostalgia being created. I can relate to this thought: that Disney was so very, very good in its "Halcyon Years" (when we were young and it was led by visionaries) that a sense of nostalgia so strong was created that it can be milked today at the expense of quality. Disney World can drop significantly in one's perceived quality and still be a much more desirable product than the next best available option (such is the case for me).

AND does Disney's new offerings and current operational strategy create that same sense of awe & loyalty so when today's kids have kids, they will bring them back automatically, based on nostalgia, regardless if they percieve quality downgrades, like many of us do.

It's a complex question. I think today's Disney parks do, in a way, "stand on the shoulders of giants." The giants being that past achievements and the sentiments they created. Design and imagineering-wise, I see somewhat less of problem. Disney is still creating/adding good and great new things, even as they take away old great things.

The part I think may be much more dangerous for future Nostalgia creation is how differently (worse) the parks & resorts are operated than they were in the Halcyon days... and this critique covers almost every category of ops, including what they charge for their product and the way they do it.

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And I agree that the IP/Original balance is way off and needs to be restored, as Iger moves every park disjointedly towards the Universal paradigm of riding the movies.
 
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NickMaio

Well-Known Member
Some thoughts and opinions that have been bouncing around my head for a while.

WDW has been "running" on nostalgia since at least 2005, when Bob Iger took over as CEO, and possibly for several years prior to that. They are have been cashing in on nostalgia for years, as evidenced by the increasing profits of the Parks & Resorts division, and believe they can continue to do so for decades to come. However, there are already a growing number of former and potential guests who make comments in social media that they can't, or won't, visit WDW because of how expensive it has become. It used to be a vacation destination that was within reach of the middle class to be able to visit annually, or at least every 2 years, and that included my family growing up. I was able to visit every year, sometimes more than once a year, with my own family until around 2009. We would almost always take a 7 night vacation at WDW, even after we bought in to DVC in 2005. But prices increased to the point where we had to scale back our vacations starting around 2009 to 4 to 5 nights. But that was OK with us, as we had been there enough times, and there really wasn't anything new to experience, that we knew we weren't missing out on anything if we didn't get to ride a particular ride, or see a particular show. We did what we liked to do, and knew because of our DVC ownership that we'd be back if there was something we didn't get to do and wanted to do it. On top of that, we sometimes stay off-site if we find a great deal and had used up our DVC points for the use year. And a rental car is almost a given these days, as it allows so much more freedom while on vacation, not to mention the cost savings of being able to buy your own food and beverages to have in the room instead of paying the over-inflated Disney prices. Thankfully, as DVC members we are not (currently) subject to the new parking fee being foisted onto those staying overnight at a Disney resort.

How much longer can Disney cash in on the nostalgia of guests who visited in the 70's, 80's, and 90's? They used to blaze new paths around the theme park experience. They used to create *original* rides and attractions that would blow you away. They used to do things that you didn't know you'd like or want or expect until you experienced it. Now, everything is run with a "de-risk" and "cost containment" mentality. One need look only to their wrist while walking around WDW and seeing the wait times for most rides and attractions to understand "cost containment". MagicBands and FP+ have allowed Disney to scale back operations and increase wait times, and guests are now simply expecting long waits, sadly. They use known quantities - movie IP - rather than creating something new and original (De-risk). Movie IP means merchandise, and merchandise means higher profit margins. "Universal did it with Harry Potter, and they're making lots of money, and we have lots of movie IP now, so that has to be the model to follow" seems to be the strategy they've moved to now. And by descending to the lowest common denominator (read: movie IP/hot-property-of-the-minute all over the parks), they cheapen the overall theme park experience. It's becoming a fancy, expensive version of any other park you can visit around the country. They aren't creating "magic" like in decades past. They aren't creating those memories, that nostalgia, which the theme parks used to create. There used to be a true "Disney difference" to your theme park visit. That is no longer the case. You are now treated like a customer, a number, and a source of revenue instead of a valued guest. What do many guests remember now? How expensive their vacation was. How long the lines were. How packed the parks were. How below-average the food was. That's not "creating magic", or giving guests a reason to come back in the future, no matter how much marketing and PR they put behind "the MAGIC!!!". I heard recently (second-hand, admittedly) that Disney asked Google to run some surveys and analytics on recent guests and what they remembered. Take a guess as to what the top 2 things were that kids surveyed remembered? The monorail and the pools. For a place that projects themselves as a "premium expeience" (and they certainly charge a premium price for it) that is both telling and cannot be good. To me, that also exhibits just how important the monorails are and why they need to invest in them rather than doing the minimum required to keep them running. "Good enough" is now the Disney standard, whereas that was unacceptable in the past. "Good enough" gets you by to the next fiscal quarter, but sacrifices long-term strategy.

Disney used to set the standard. Now, they simply follow the pack. Everest was the last original attraction built, and I fear it may be the *last* original attraction built unless there is new blood at the top and they get rid of this "de-risk/cost containment/movie IP-only" mindset of the Iger and Chapek era. I think many believe there can and is a happy medium between quarterly financial results and being a creative company, but the Bob's won't even entertain the thought. Look at the rides being built and/or have been built at WDW have been/are being based on in the past 12 years - Tron. Ratatouille. Frozen. Pandora. Star Wars. Toy Story. Little Mermaid. Seven Dwarves. The example is even greater when you expand and look at other Disney theme parks around the world. More Pixar. More Marvel coming seemingly everywhere. Not to mention, most of those are Iger acquisitions, which could be its own interesting in-depth analysis. But where are the Figments? Where are the Great Movie Rides and Towers of Terror? Where are the Haunted Mansions and Pirates? Where are the original ideas/rides/attractions Disney used to excel at, like Spaceship Earth and Horizons and the Great Movie Ride, that created the good will and nostalgia they are happily cashing in on today? There is no appetite for creativity in the upper levels of TWDC, and that's a problem. Disney is somewhat unique in that it has traditionally been at its best when there was a creative type helping run the company alongside a "money guy". That ying/yang balance has been missing since Frank Wells' death in 1994, and I think it's quite reflective in what we see in the theme parks today. No longer do we get grand attractions like Pirates of the Caribbean (Especially the original at Disneyland), Splash Mountain, World of Motion, the Great Movie Ride, Horizons, Universe of Energy, etc. We instead get rides that last 3-5 minutes, if we're lucky. Not to mention, those new, shorter rides don't usually have the per-hour capacity of those which they replaced. In my opinion, replacing grand attractions with 3-5 minute rides isn't a sustainable direction, as eventually guests will tire of those short rides sooner rather than later (such is the case when using what's hot today, it likely won't be hot long-term), likely sooner than later if/when leveraging the hot-property-of-the-month. If that happens, then they will need to spend more to "keep up with the times". It becomes a vicious cycle that I don't think Disney truly has any appetite for, but it's the direction in which they seem to be heading.

If extracting maximum dollars out of every guest is now their goal, I guess they are knocking it out of the park. But how much longer will that continue? What happens when the next recession hits? They are acting like one will never come again, or if there is one, guests will simply continue to fill up the parks unabated, and spend like they are spending today. What happens when more and more potential guests see the price tag and simply say, "No thanks", particularly if there is a recession? Sure, they'll offer up discounts and deals in an attempt to lure guests to Orlando, but with Universal upping their game and theme park offerings, will that be enough next time?

From my perspective, Disney needs to get back to what made the company and its theme parks great - Creating new and unique rides, attractions, and experiences. It needs to take chances. It needs to be "Disney" again, and not just "the Disney brand" that Iger is so laser-focused on. Until that happens, until they can live up to the standards they set in decades past while creating the goodwill the current management team is happily cash in on today, I am setting my expectations low (Except for food/ticket/room prices, of course). I think their focus is solely on pleasing Wall Street and not on being a great company any longer.
Eloquently expressed - - - totally agree BTW.
 

Minnesota disney fan

Well-Known Member
Well written, thought out comments.
Please send this to Iger ASAP. Maybe over time if enough people point this out, he will change his way of doing things? (I know, I am overly optomistic:)
 

JD80

Premium Member
My young kids are building their nostalgia right now with every trip. I see no problem with the IP stuff. You should of seen my 3 yo son when he saw Kylo Ren and Darth Vader (he had only seen limited portions of The Force Awakens at that point) doing the Jedi Training in Hollywood Studios. He was mesmerized and that's staying with him forever.

Everyone grows up and their ideal setting for WDW will change. Just say'in. It happens when you get old.
 

eliza61nyc

Well-Known Member
My thoughts.
1) in the interest of full disclosure, I am a disney shareholder. I own enough shares to get invited to some pretty swanky partys at the shareholder meetings.

Now, I'm not a huge fan of the whole "nostalgia" thing. lol, I remind folks who yearn for "bygone" days that usually they were only glorious for a certain segment. The rest didn't think the past was all that great (this is generally speaking). So rarely do I wish for some past segment in time. Even now that my children are young adults, lol I remember the meltdowns, having to travel with 1000 lbs of stuff just to go to the supermarket, the scheduling. no I do not wish to go back to when my kids where young, thanks.

Second I think a lot of nostalgia is looked at with "rose" colored glasses. Sorry I don't ever remember Disney being cheap, If anything it's a heck of a lot more accessible now than when my parents first took me in the late 70's, maybe because air fare was godawful expensive but no one I know was going to disney 2, 3, 4 times. It was just too expensive. so I don't get this whole "disney is too expensive" argument. it was always expensive. Next, I don't see it being that much more than many of my other vacations. I went to Ocean City NJ last year, 1 week rental, 3rd week in July?? 3500.00 bucks. not to mention beach tags and food. the only reason it wasn't as expensive is because I drove. When I grew up you could get theater tickets for about 40 bucks AND you got a coupon for 1/2 off your next show. I have tickets to see Alladdin on Broadway, price?? 175.00 a ticket, 2nd mezzanine. Disney has always been expensive.

I have no problems with IP rides if they are good. you know what I hate, lame old rides. The great movie ride, Ellen, astro orbiter, that bumper car trash that gives you a headache from the fumes, are stale, old boring and the only reason why most folks went on them was to get out of the heat. I literally always saw someone napping on the Great movie ride and most of the youngins today barely saw a lot of those movies. come on Tarazan with Johnny Weismuller and Maureen O some thing or another? lol the only one my kids recognized was Wizard of Oz and I think Alien. let it go, it was boring. The kids in my family hated that ride with the heat of 10 suns. so yes I have no problem with them ripping them out for a "great" new ride even if it;s IP

Lastly, I return to Disney for one reason and one reason only, when I go I have a good time. There is very little, "I remember when Mr. toads ride" was here. Yes I have pictures of family vacations from 10, 20 years ago, lol I also have my wedding dress from 33 years ago. I can't fit it and am not dieting to get back into that sucker. When Disney ceases to be enjoyable that's when I'll stop going and I doubt if having a red head or not having a red headed animatron is going to tip the scales.
 

Lets Respect

Well-Known Member
Interesting post, I enjoyed reading this

Places can be fun, and places can be memorable. Big difference. Great Wolf Lodge is fun. But it's not memorable. Ditto for a Six Flags. It's a very fine line they are walking here.

My feelings are they don't want to deal with the hardcore fans anymore so the more of them that quit Disney, the better. In other words, losing the diehard repeat visitors may be exactly what they want
 

eliza61nyc

Well-Known Member
Interesting post, I enjoyed reading this

Places can be fun, and places can be memorable. Big difference. Great Wolf Lodge is fun. But it's not memorable. Ditto for a Six Flags. It's a very fine line they are walking here.

My feelings are they don't want to deal with the hardcore fans anymore so the more of them that quit Disney, the better. In other words, losing the diehard repeat visitors may be exactly what they want

you may have a point. I wonder if some one who is a young family under 30 with 2 small kids, are they really stressing about "original" rides or are they happier seeing Frozen??

maybe Disney is actually giving the new consumer more of what they want.

I know I spend less as a repeat visitor especially as my kids get older. especially in areas with high profit margins. I know mom's who drop 200 easy on Bibbidi bobbidi boutique without a thought for the experience. first timers will do the character meals every night, along with the dessert parties etc etc.
I did it the first time round. got mickey ears, got sweatshirts, coffee mugs. I remember my first trip on the 4th day my husband said we had to watch the spending because every night we were getting big desserts for 30-40 dollars lol. We got the length of stay passes with water park options, all the bells and whistles because we figured it was a once in a life trip.
 

JD80

Premium Member
I wonder how many people who are complaining about lost nostalgia don't have kids (either never had them or still too young) or have kids that are grown. I'm willing to bet most people that are in the lost nostalgia/fun camp are in these groups.

Here's my point. I went to WDW as a kid a few times (like 3 or 4) from the ages of 8 and 12. Haven't been back since. When I went back for the first time a few years ago, nostalgia hit me pretty damn hard seeing a lot of the old rides. It was pretty damn cool and made feel like "home" kind of.

However when I went back last year, with my now older children (4 and 2.5) almost all my memories of my childhood at Disney were really distant and replaced with nostalgia and memories I had with my kids just a year or two prior. As an adult, I'm living through my children's experience with their first time. I see their love and joy grow and I share in it. So when my family goes back in 15-20 years (regardless of how many times in between we go) my wife and I will always have memories of our first few times going to the park.

Now I don't know how old the OP is and it seems he may of been a teenager 13 years ago? Maybe he doesn't have a family of his own yet. But if he/she ever does, you will begin building new memories (and better ones) that will be more important than your old ones and you will begin your nostalgia building all over again.

Gotta look to the future, stop looking back!
 

TwilightZone

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I wonder how many people who are complaining about lost nostalgia don't have kids (either never had them or still too young) or have kids that are grown. I'm willing to bet most people that are in the lost nostalgia/fun camp are in these groups.

Here's my point. I went to WDW as a kid a few times (like 3 or 4) from the ages of 8 and 12. Haven't been back since. When I went back for the first time a few years ago, nostalgia hit me pretty damn hard seeing a lot of the old rides. It was pretty damn cool and made feel like "home" kind of.

However when I went back last year, with my now older children (4 and 2.5) almost all my memories of my childhood at Disney were really distant and replaced with nostalgia and memories I had with my kids just a year or two prior. As an adult, I'm living through my children's experience with their first time. I see their love and joy grow and I share in it. So when my family goes back in 15-20 years (regardless of how many times in between we go) my wife and I will always have memories of our first few times going to the park.

Now I don't know how old the OP is and it seems he may of been a teenager 13 years ago? Maybe he doesn't have a family of his own yet. But if he/she ever does, you will begin building new memories (and better ones) that will be more important than your old ones and you will begin your nostalgia building all over again.

Gotta look to the future, stop looking back!
You don't need to have kids to not look back at the past.
As a person of the early 00s, I can for sure say all of this change is fantastic. It's making my experience a lot better.
Plus, if you look at the comment section of any disney news youtube channel, a lot of people love the changes that uber fans complain about. Except the controversial redhead change. That's one thing the normal public and uber fans can agree about.
 

Walt Disney1955

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Here is a good story that might explain the love a lot of us have for Disney. In 1973 my grandparents in their 60s took a trip to Florida with my dad (in his 20s). Why my dad just went with them and not all of my aunts (who were more or less the same age) I don't know, but I guess they did do a lot of different things down there. But they did spend a day at the Magic Kingdom. My grandparents loved it. One thing stood out for them and it was the Country Bear Jamboree. My dad loved it as well. I did too the first time I saw it in 1991 and my kids did too for the first time in 2017. Can you see the connection here? Who else can do this but Disney? What is the only original ride left at Universal? E.T? It's too bad, but there is always a connection to the past with Disney. They are experts at keeping one foot in the past (Main Street, Fantasyland) and one in the future. It is a good mix. There is something special about going on rides from opening day in 1971, or even better in 1955 in Disneyland. I've done both, and you can't beat it. By the way keep in mind, in 1955 look at the rides in Fantasyland. Mr. Toad, Snow White, Peter Pan, Casey Jr., Dumbo, etc. With the exception of Snow White they were all pretty recent movies.
 

eliza61nyc

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Here is a good story that might explain the love a lot of us have for Disney. In 1973 my grandparents in their 60s took a trip to Florida with my dad (in his 20s). Why my dad just went with them and not all of my aunts (who were more or less the same age) I don't know, but I guess they did do a lot of different things down there. But they did spend a day at the Magic Kingdom. My grandparents loved it. One thing stood out for them and it was the Country Bear Jamboree. My dad loved it as well. I did too the first time I saw it in 1991 and my kids did too for the first time in 2017. Can you see the connection here? Who else can do this but Disney? What is the only original ride left at Universal? E.T? It's too bad, but there is always a connection to the past with Disney. They are experts at keeping one foot in the past (Main Street, Fantasyland) and one in the future. It is a good mix. There is something special about going on rides from opening day in 1971, or even better in 1955 in Disneyland. I've done both, and you can't beat it. By the way keep in mind, in 1955 look at the rides in Fantasyland. Mr. Toad, Snow White, Peter Pan, Casey Jr., Dumbo, etc. With the exception of Snow White they were all pretty recent movies.

But here's the thing Phil, humans can do that and it works. like you my family has those type of storys but let me say as a business gal, businesses pretty much have to stay current or they die. Now the reality is the real connection is not so much the attraction but the connection to the loved ones. So to play devils advocate, your grandparents loved it, now your kids have kids (you are now the grand dad) and they go. The thing is in all probability these kids have cut their teeth on a whole different type of fun. The country bears now are more "cute" or "quaint" than anything, the powers that be NEED to be concious of this.
Whether we like it or not unless your parents actually go out and get a copy of Dumbo, the kids today aren't going to watch it. They don't want to watch Peter Pan flying through the air, not when they've been weened on Iron Man and Luke skywalker.

lol, my family story.. below is a picture of a couple of my cousins and kids at Disney world. We were there celebrating my Aunts 100th birthday. yep my aunt had a ball at 100 at the mouse world, now of course she did not go on rides but she had a ball. One of things she always says when people ask her about her age is to "hang around" the youngins. she has an ipod lol, is learning technology. Morale of the story is if you don't change and keep up with the times, you die.

Now maybe they could have updated the Great Movie ride instead of just getting rid of it but the ride was dated. sure us adults who knew about Humprey Borgart got a kick but the newbies to the park? I'm betting not so much.
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I'm a dvc member so my goal when I purchased in 2001 was to be a continuous visitor, my love of the world is not connected to a ride, it's more of a feeling we get when we are at the world. Love, happiness and all the other cliches but again, no I do not want to see the same old stuff year after year. Does every thing have to be IP? no. that maybe a legitimate gripe but jeez what is the problem with updating the "Carousel of Progress" lol that ride was developed for the 1964 Worlds fair by GE. guess what, we've got the hang on the whole electric light and electricity thing. update it.
 
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JD80

Premium Member
Carousel of progress needs about 5 more rooms. I still love the ride, but only because it's quaint and I thought it was cool when I was 9 that the whole room moved.
 

Lets Respect

Well-Known Member
you may have a point. I wonder if some one who is a young family under 30 with 2 small kids, are they really stressing about "original" rides or are they happier seeing Frozen??

maybe Disney is actually giving the new consumer more of what they want.

I know I spend less as a repeat visitor especially as my kids get older. especially in areas with high profit margins. I know mom's who drop 200 easy on Bibbidi bobbidi boutique without a thought for the experience. first timers will do the character meals every night, along with the dessert parties etc etc.
I did it the first time round. got mickey ears, got sweatshirts, coffee mugs. I remember my first trip on the 4th day my husband said we had to watch the spending because every night we were getting big desserts for 30-40 dollars lol. We got the length of stay passes with water park options, all the bells and whistles because we figured it was a once in a life trip.

Most young families I would guess are happier seeing Frozen etc. They may ride the originals and enjoy them, but they aren't obsessed with them like the diehards

That's a good point too, I think many folks spend less and less each time they go. You kind of learn what is worth it, what is not. When you're a first-timer, it all looks like a must-do
 

danyoung56

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My feelings are they don't want to deal with the hardcore fans anymore so the more of them that quit Disney, the better. In other words, losing the diehard repeat visitors may be exactly what they want

From a personal perspective I disagree with this. I'm a single visitor, and have been storming WDW a couple times a year for over 20 years. And I'm always made welcome - I've never had the sense that they were trying to discourage me in any way. You may be right about company policy, but I've not seen any evidence of it.
 

Mista C

Well-Known Member
... the Great movie ride... let it go, it was boring. The kids in my family hated that ride with the heat of 10 suns.

HA! Well said! They weren't the only ones!

And what a very similar comment to what I always used to say about my hatred for that ride... "with the white-hot intensity of a thousand suns".

Bravo!
 

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