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Disney making $1 billion investment in OpenAI, will allow characters on Sora AI video generator

Disney Irish

Premium Member
But they aren't going to build old cards to put into new data centers. The requirements of anything nVidia can't build for a huge profit right now are irrelevant. If the only thing they are making is power hungry, high power cards, then thats all you can account for.
You clearly have never worked in IT, or even built and/or upgraded your own computer.

Computer components 100% do get upgraded ALL the time. In this case the old cards get swapped out for new cards that are introduced that have better performance and improved power consumption. Or did you think that these cards would last forever or that Nvidia only will produce a single card forever?

New cards get introduced all the time which have new features, new performance improvements, new improved power consumption, I gave a perfect example in the RTX 40-series cards which had improvements over the RTX 30-series cards in terms of performance and power consumption. And so as time goes on RTX 40-series cards will replace RTX 30-series cards for those workloads in this example. Or again are you assuming that every RTX 30-series card being used today will remain working forever and data centers never will replace them?

Have they? Or are they just assuming it will be renewed? Or are they trusting OpenAI that the IP can be removed? You have no idea. OpenAI could shut down the specific portal to get to this Disneyfied creator, but that doesn't mean that the model hasn't absorbed the data in other places and you can't get to it. Just like you're not supposed to be able to do lots of things with the models, but if you know the tricks and commands well enough, you can get it to do whatever you want.
You don't put in a term limit to a licensing deal if you didn't want to ensure you have an out in the future. And so its a 3 year deal, if they want to extend it in the future they can, or they can walk away.

Lawsuits don't necessarily stop anything, especially in cases like this. If the IP was being abused by users (not OpenAI or any potential suitor/partner/buyers later), who exactly do you start suing? You going to go after potentially anonymous users creating AI Slop? If the model has absorbed the data, theres no putting the genie back in the bottle, and any lawsuit trying to shut the model down completely is going to fail, especially as you know who is going to protect the AI companies.
Hate to break it to you but that ship already sailed, that AI slop was already being generated long before Disney inked this deal with OpenAI. Its why Disney (and other studios) have already sued and won against AI companies who were misusing their IP without permission, and have forced them to remove such content. The same will happen in the future if any misuse happens. Plus with a seat at the table you can help guide the model usage to ensure there are protections put into place so protected content is not misused and taken down faster if it is.

So even if Disney didn't ink this deal the use of Disney IP was still going to happen with or without Disney's involvement. At least now Disney has a seat at the table unlike before.
 

Kamikaze

Well-Known Member
You clearly have never worked in IT, or even built and/or upgraded your own computer.

Computer components 100% do get upgraded ALL the time. In this case the old cards get swapped out for new cards that are introduced that have better performance and improved power consumption. Or did you think that these cards would last forever or that Nvidia only will produce a single card forever?
I've probably been building PCs for longer than you've been alive. Consumer usage has not a single thing to do with how data centers (and specifically data centers for AI) are deploying hardware.

You're talking about something completely different and much smaller scale than anything I'm referring to. nVidia is propping up this market by selling its highest end cards. They aren't selling low power cards to data centers.

This has nothing to do with the consumer replacing video cards in their PCs.
New cards get introduced all the time which have new features, new performance improvements, new improved power consumption, I gave a perfect example in the RTX 40-series cards which had improvements over the RTX 30-series cards in terms of performance and power consumption. And so as time goes on RTX 40-series cards will replace RTX 30-series cards for those workloads in this example. Or again are you assuming that every RTX 30-series card being used today will remain working forever and data centers never will replace them?
No, they will obviously be replaced. But your original statement - about power consumption - is completely irrelevant, because those new cards are going to draw MORE power as they are more powerful. Your 'perfect' argument is about as convincing as someone's 'perfect' call with Zelensky. Replacing the cards with more powerful cards is more problematic, as it adds more strain to the system, not less. You're trying to make the argument that replacing a card for a newer one solves something, but it doesn't. They aren't saying 'we have 6 cards in this array, we can replace it with 4'. No, the new array will have 6 as well. Can it maybe perform operations better? Sure, but that doesn't mean it isn't drawing more power overall. They are more efficient on a per-calculation basis, but that doesn't mean they aren't drawing more TDP per use hour.
You don't put in a term limit to a licensing deal if you didn't want to ensure you have an out in the future. And so its a 3 year deal, if they want to extend it in the future they can, or they can walk away.
Or you put the term limit because OpenAI wanted a limit so they could get Disney to put more money in.
Hate to break it to you but that ship already sailed, that AI slop was already being generated long before Disney inked this deal with OpenAI. Its why Disney (and other studios) have already sued and won against AI companies who were misusing their IP without permission, and have forced them to remove such content. The same will happen in the future if any misuse happens. Plus with a seat at the table you can help guide the model usage to ensure there are protections put into place so protected content is not misused and taken down faster if it is.

So even if Disney didn't ink this deal the use of Disney IP was still going to happen with or without Disney's involvement. At least now Disney has a seat at the table unlike before.
So they should just give up and give in, instead of protecting their IP like they've done for literally 100 years?

Also, please point out this lawsuit that they've won against an AI company. They sent a cease and desist to Google, and they sued Midjourney, but that lawsuit has yet to go anywhere, and Midjourney can still pull Disney IP. As I said previously, its basically impossible to pull stuff out of a data set. I've never seen an example of it actually happening. Even when Muskrat continuously neuters Grok, the content is still there, he just puts in restrictions on accessing it, and you can, again, get it to repeat the content if you work at it correctly.
 
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flynnibus

Premium Member
Lawsuits don't necessarily stop anything, especially in cases like this. If the IP was being abused by users (not OpenAI or any potential suitor/partner/buyers later), who exactly do you start suing? You going to go after potentially anonymous users creating AI Slop? If the model has absorbed the data, theres no putting the genie back in the bottle, and any lawsuit trying to shut the model down completely is going to fail, especially as you know who is going to protect the AI companies.
Simply not true
 

flynnibus

Premium Member
No, they will obviously be replaced. But your original statement - about power consumption - is completely irrelevant, because those new cards are going to draw MORE power as they are more powerful.
Again, not true. EVERYTHING in data centers is about the most work per watt. Data Centers are measured in the Megawatts for this very reason. EVERYTHING is about squeezing the most work from the juice they can provide and cool. Every iteration of data center tech is about doing more for less heat load.

Evolution is both compute and power efficiency.
 

Disney Irish

Premium Member
I've probably been building PCs for longer than you've been alive. Consumer usage has not a single thing to do with how data centers (and specifically data centers for AI) are deploying hardware.

You're talking about something completely different and much smaller scale than anything I'm referring to. nVidia is propping up this market by selling its highest end cards. They aren't selling low power cards to data centers.

This has nothing to do with the consumer replacing video cards in their PCs.
Son, I built my first computer when Tandy was new on the block. I've used everything from punch cards to reel-to-reel to work on systems. I've worked in data centers for over 30 years (close to 40 at this point), working on everything from Cray to PDPs to DEC and everything in-between.

I've built and upgraded more data center systems than I can even count, so many they could stack end-to-end to the moon and back. I've seen consolidation happen where the workloads of 100s of machines that took a whole floor were taken down to 1 that took up less than 1% of the floor space and used only 0.001% of the power.

No, they will obviously be replaced. But your original statement - about power consumption - is completely irrelevant, because those new cards are going to draw MORE power as they are more powerful. Your 'perfect' argument is about as convincing as someone's 'perfect' call with Zelensky. Replacing the cards with more powerful cards is more problematic, as it adds more strain to the system, not less. You're trying to make the argument that replacing a card for a newer one solves something, but it doesn't. They aren't saying 'we have 6 cards in this array, we can replace it with 4'. No, the new array will have 6 as well. Can it maybe perform operations better? Sure, but that doesn't mean it isn't drawing more power overall. They are more efficient on a per-calculation basis, but that doesn't mean they aren't drawing more TDP per use hour.
Your assumption that every new generation of card that replaces those 6 are always going to draw more power is flawed. Because that assumes that no improvements to power consumption ever is made. That power requirements only ever goes up never down, which again if you actually know anything about the computer industry, especially data center systems, is 100% incorrect. So either you're talking out your posterior here or you're not being honest and just arguing just to argue because you don't like this decision Disney has made.

Or you put the term limit because OpenAI wanted a limit so they could get Disney to put more money in.
So you really think that Disney with all its lawyers aren't smart enough to put term limits on their own on the use of their IP into their contracts? And that it was OpenAI that requested the term limit just to fleece Disney out of more money and that without that request Disney would have just allowed the use of their IP in perpetuity? Come on, get real, now I know you're talking out your posterior.

So they should just give up and give in, instead of protecting their IP like they've done for literally 100 years?

Also, please point out this lawsuit that they've won against an AI company. They sent a cease and desist to Google, and they sued Midjourney, but that lawsuit has yet to go anywhere, and Midjourney can still pull Disney IP if you know how to backdoor the commands. As I said previously, its basically impossible to pull stuff out of a data set. I've never seen an example of it actually happening. Even when Muskrat continuously neuters Grok, the content is still there, he just puts in restrictions on accessing it, and you can, again, get it to repeat the content if you work at it correctly.
Who said they are giving up? If they were giving up they would drop every lawsuit against every AI company they have pending now. Again if you look at this as just about the AI slop, you're missing the forest through the trees. This isn't just about the dumb AI videos on your Tiktok feed, its about a whole lot more, some of which was discussed already.

If you look at part of the statement of the announcement this was added -

"As part of the agreement, OpenAI has committed to continuing its industry leadership in implementing responsible measures to further address trust and safety, including age-appropriate policies and other reasonable controls across the service. In addition, OpenAI and Disney have affirmed a shared commitment to maintaining robust controls to prevent the generation of illegal or harmful content, to respect the rights of content owners in relation to the outputs of models, and to respect the rights of individuals to appropriately control the use of their voice and likeness."

Do you really think Disney would still be able to do that from the outside, maybe, but would be more effective and have a voice while being on the inside.

Also just because you can backdoor your way into something right now doesn't mean that backdoor exists forever and won't be plugged up.

Also its not impossible to pull things out of data sets, its just not been very practical as of now outside of a test environment. And just because Musk is too lazy to do it in Grok doesn't mean it can't be done. I can tell you from personal experience you can purge data sets of specific content as needed. Many of the early models had to be purged because they weren't producing the correct outcomes. So it is possible that even if the models have Disney IP today, doesn't mean they can't be purged of that later down the line and any related content created from it scrubbed.
 

flynnibus

Premium Member
I've probably been building PCs for longer than you've been alive. Consumer usage has not a single thing to do with how data centers (and specifically data centers for AI) are deploying hardware.
Again, not true - they don't exist in different engineering universes. They drive different packaging and target uses.

You're talking about something completely different and much smaller scale than anything I'm referring to. nVidia is propping up this market by selling its highest end cards. They aren't selling low power cards to data centers.
Again, not true. AI platforms like the RTX Pro Blackwell are even designed to be passively cooled. High powered, but highly efficient power wise.
This has nothing to do with the consumer replacing video cards in their PCs.
But infrastructure compute lifecycle is turned over in similar fashion, even more so as we abstract compute further and further in PaaS models. The same principals that allow consumer tech to evolve and improve with time also apply to pro kit.

No, they will obviously be replaced. But your original statement - about power consumption - is completely irrelevant, because those new cards are going to draw MORE power as they are more powerful.
You know nothing John Snow.

They aren't saying 'we have 6 cards in this array, we can replace it with 4'. No, the new array will have 6 as well. Can it maybe perform operations better? Sure, but that doesn't mean it isn't drawing more power overall. They are more efficient on a per-calculation basis, but that doesn't mean they aren't drawing more TDP per use hour.
The power and cooling budget of these sites is normally the limiting factor - so you don't just keep increasing like you suggest - you keep iterating in greater thermal efficency so you can do more within the same energy budget.

Or you put the term limit because OpenAI wanted a limit so they could get Disney to put more money in.
This is just rediculous.. neither side would want an unbounded agreement, this is just stupid talk to try to make one side look nefarious.

Also, please point out this lawsuit that they've won against an AI company. They sent a cease and desist to Google, and they sued Midjourney, but that lawsuit has yet to go anywhere, and Midjourney can still pull Disney IP.
Again, no. The Midjourney suit is very much going in the IP holder's favor in that the courts have found that the training on the illegally sourced content is a problem and its still working out what that will close as. Fully expect Midjourney will settle there because they'll be happy with the conclusion that training on PROPERLY sourced content is fine. The Midjourney suit isn't even about what they are creating.

As I said previously, its basically impossible to pull stuff out of a data set. I've never seen an example of it actually happening. Even when Muskrat continuously neuters Grok, the content is still there, he just puts in restrictions on accessing it, and you can, again, get it to repeat the content if you work at it correctly.
They will wall it up - if there is some leakage it doesn't somehow nullify the entire concept of control.
 

Disstevefan1

Well-Known Member
Just because people speed we shouldn't have laws regarding speed limits and consequences for when those laws are broken?
Of course not, my point is, I think, laws (or lawsuits) don't stop some folks from breaking them, folks break laws all the time and, in my opinion, your speed limit law analogy is possibly the worst analogy because speed limits could possibly be the law that most law abiding folks break.

Its my opinion, folks (try) to abide speed limits to avoid getting tickets, do avoid the costs related; cost of tickets, insurance, loss of license etc., then there are folks who drive with no license, no registration, no inspection, no insurance, no laws stop them.

We have seen some cities in the US who have stopped prosecuting shoplifting for amounts under $900 dollars and there are folks who will go into a place of business and help themselves and (try) to keep it under $900.
 

flynnibus

Premium Member
It clearly is. The models are still infringing on copyrights. None of it has stopped.
This doesn't happen overnight. There are many walls up in the systems today. There has been major findings (like already covered) that training on legally sourced and publicly available information is not illegal.

Google already responded to the C&D by taking that content down.. Disney themselves even admit there are tools to prevent this kind of infringement in their C&D letter.

So your arguments don't line up with what is actually happening in the space in real time.
 

Kamikaze

Well-Known Member
Again, not true - they don't exist in different engineering universes. They drive different packaging and target uses.
But they do. Else why is Micron shutting down its consumer lines to focus on data centers? Oh yeah, because the product doesn't easily convert to the other usage.
Again, not true. AI platforms like the RTX Pro Blackwell are even designed to be passively cooled. High powered, but highly efficient power wise.
Using passive cooling doesn't mean it draws less power, my guy. The chipset you're referring to is still a 600W draw.
But infrastructure compute lifecycle is turned over in similar fashion, even more so as we abstract compute further and further in PaaS models. The same principals that allow consumer tech to evolve and improve with time also apply to pro kit.
Not even sure what your point is with this. That guy was trying to equate what I was saying with him sticking a card in a PCIE slot. Saying 'tech gets better everywhere' is hardly something that needs to be said.
You know nothing John Snow.
I know how to spell Jon Snow, at least.
Oh, and I also know that Blackwell's Pro draws double what Ada Lovelace did. But hey, just keep making **** up, because that works.
The power and cooling budget of these sites is normally the limiting factor - so you don't just keep increasing like you suggest - you keep iterating in greater thermal efficency so you can do more within the same energy budget.
But thats literally not what they do. They keep increasing the power.
They don't say 'hey, we are double the efficiency, we can stay the same power level as before and save half the energy'. They save half the energy and then add 4x the cores (FOR EXAMPLE ONLY) so they end up with double the draw again. Mobile chips are the only place where they will sacrifice power for efficiency.
This is just rediculous.. neither side would want an unbounded agreement, this is just stupid talk to try to make one side look nefarious.
Ridiculous*
Did I ever say anything about it being 'unbounded' (whatever the **** that word means in your world)? What I meant was that Irishman decided it must have been Disney who wanted the three year agreement, when I would argue it was most definitely OpenAI.
Again, no. The Midjourney suit is very much going in the IP holder's favor in that the courts have found that the training on the illegally sourced content is a problem and its still working out what that will close as. Fully expect Midjourney will settle there because they'll be happy with the conclusion that training on PROPERLY sourced content is fine. The Midjourney suit isn't even about what they are creating.
What the **** are you even talking about? Did you completely make this up? The case is only in discovery. You saying its going in anyone's favor is a straight up lie.
They will wall it up - if there is some leakage it doesn't somehow nullify the entire concept of control.
That isn't a thing. It simply isn't. Once the data is in the model and the model can use it to create other data, its not going to be removable from the set.
 
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Kamikaze

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This doesn't happen overnight. There are many walls up in the systems today. There has been major findings (like already covered) that training on legally sourced and publicly available information is not illegal.

Google already responded to the C&D by taking that content down.. Disney themselves even admit there are tools to prevent this kind of infringement in their C&D letter.

So your arguments don't line up with what is actually happening in the space in real time.
Google took down the user-generated end content. They did not remove anything from the models themselves. You can still tell Veo to use the infringing IPs. Understand the difference?
 

Kamikaze

Well-Known Member
Son, I built my first computer when Tandy was new on the block. I've used everything from punch cards to reel-to-reel to work on systems. I've worked in data centers for over 30 years (close to 40 at this point), working on everything from Cray to PDPs to DEC and everything in-between.

I've built and upgraded more data center systems than I can even count, so many they could stack end-to-end to the moon and back. I've seen consolidation happen where the workloads of 100s of machines that took a whole floor were taken down to 1 that took up less than 1% of the floor space and used only 0.001% of the power.
Cool.
Your assumption that every new generation of card that replaces those 6 are always going to draw more power is flawed. Because that assumes that no improvements to power consumption ever is made. That power requirements only ever goes up never down, which again if you actually know anything about the computer industry, especially data center systems, is 100% incorrect. So either you're talking out your posterior here or you're not being honest and just arguing just to argue because you don't like this decision Disney has made.
Again, just because the new card is more efficient doesn't mean its drawing less power. They always - ALWAYS - fill the gaps.
So you really think that Disney with all its lawyers aren't smart enough to put term limits on their own on the use of their IP into their contracts? And that it was OpenAI that requested the term limit just to fleece Disney out of more money and that without that request Disney would have just allowed the use of their IP in perpetuity? Come on, get real, now I know you're talking out your posterior.
So you think Disney said 'We'll give you a billion dollars but we only want 3 years'. If it was OpenAI paying to license the characters, it would make much more sense that Disney was setting the 3 year limit. But Disney would want to keep their investment as long as possible. So the negotiated limit would be on OpenAI's side.
Who said they are giving up? If they were giving up they would drop every lawsuit against every AI company they have pending now. Again if you look at this as just about the AI slop, you're missing the forest through the trees. This isn't just about the dumb AI videos on your Tiktok feed, its about a whole lot more, some of which was discussed already.
Why would they drop lawsuits against other AI companies when they climbed in with this one? That makes literally zero sense as an argument.
If you look at part of the statement of the announcement this was added -

"As part of the agreement, OpenAI has committed to continuing its industry leadership in implementing responsible measures to further address trust and safety, including age-appropriate policies and other reasonable controls across the service. In addition, OpenAI and Disney have affirmed a shared commitment to maintaining robust controls to prevent the generation of illegal or harmful content, to respect the rights of content owners in relation to the outputs of models, and to respect the rights of individuals to appropriately control the use of their voice and likeness."

Do you really think Disney would still be able to do that from the outside, maybe, but would be more effective and have a voice while being on the inside.
So you're both arguing that Disney can stop AI companies from using their IP by suing them, and also saying the only way they can protect their IP is by getting in bed with the AI companies? Do I have that correct?
Also just because you can backdoor your way into something right now doesn't mean that backdoor exists forever and won't be plugged up.
Right. And thats why the way you do it on certain models in Dec 2025 is different than it was in 2023 or even Oct 2025. It doesn't mean there won't be ways to do it now, tomorrow, or ever again. And if you pay for a higher end plan on these AIs, you get much less restrictions.
Also its not impossible to pull things out of data sets, its just not been very practical as of now outside of a test environment. And just because Musk is too lazy to do it in Grok doesn't mean it can't be done. I can tell you from personal experience you can purge data sets of specific content as needed. Many of the early models had to be purged because they weren't producing the correct outcomes. So it is possible that even if the models have Disney IP today, doesn't mean they can't be purged of that later down the line and any related content created from it scrubbed.
Its never been done in a production environment because its not feasible. You can't put the horse back in the barn.
Musk is a moron, this is true, but its very telling that no matter what he does to Grok, it always ends up the same way.
 

Disney Irish

Premium Member
Again, just because the new card is more efficient doesn't mean its drawing less power. They always - ALWAYS - fill the gaps.
It depends on where the efficiency was made. If its power efficiency, which is the case in many of the newer cards, it by definition IS drawing less power per cycle. So to make a blanket statement that a new card that is more efficient doesn't mean its drawing less power is not being honest at best.

Nvidia for example is not only optimizing the chips themselves but also the software the runs them in order to be more power efficient.


So again they are working to make improvements long term so this isn't just an exponential increase in power consumption with no end.

So you think Disney said 'We'll give you a billion dollars but we only want 3 years'. If it was OpenAI paying to license the characters, it would make much more sense that Disney was setting the 3 year limit. But Disney would want to keep their investment as long as possible. So the negotiated limit would be on OpenAI's side.
Why would OpenAI want to limit the use of Disney's IP in their models for only 3 years? That makes no sense, they'd want to have the use available for as long as possible preferably in perpetuity. It would be Disney who would want to set a time limit on how long the IP could be used for, ie its their IP.

Why would they drop lawsuits against other AI companies when they climbed in with this one? That makes literally zero sense as an argument.
Well you're the one who said they were "giving up" by joining up with OpenAI. And so my point is if they really were just throwing in the towel they would just drop all lawsuits against all other AI companies.

So you're both arguing that Disney can stop AI companies from using their IP by suing them, and also saying the only way they can protect their IP is by getting in bed with the AI companies? Do I have that correct?
You know that people can walk and chew gum at the same time right? That just because Disney is "getting into bed" as you say with OpenAI doesn't mean they cannot use all legal recourse at their disposal to stop the misuse of their IP by other companies. So its not an either/or situation.

Right. And thats why the way you do it on certain models in Dec 2025 is different than it was in 2023 or even Oct 2025. It doesn't mean there won't be ways to do it now, tomorrow, or ever again. And if you pay for a higher end plan on these AIs, you get much less restrictions.
And people will always try to find exploits in any technology, doesn't mean you stop using the tech just because someone can exploit it.

Its never been done in a production environment because its not feasible. You can't put the horse back in the barn.
Incorrect, just because YOU aren't aware of a way doesn't mean it isn't feasible. You have to stop thinking of this as just the consumer slop on social media. I can tell you with 100% certainty that production data sets can and do have things removed daily, it just depends on who is controlling it and for what application.

To say otherwise is not understanding the technology or where its going and just thinking its a runaway train with no ability to be stopped.

There is even academics working on it right now to make it even more feasible without the original models -


Musk is a moron, this is true, but its very telling that no matter what he does to Grok, it always ends up the same way.
And you won't see me defending Musk. That however doesn't mean again that the data sets cannot have things removed just because Musk can't or won't do it.
 
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Disney Irish

Premium Member
Of course not, my point is, I think, laws (or lawsuits) don't stop some folks from breaking them, folks break laws all the time and, in my opinion, your speed limit law analogy is possibly the worst analogy because speed limits could possibly be the law that most law abiding folks break.

Its my opinion, folks (try) to abide speed limits to avoid getting tickets, do avoid the costs related; cost of tickets, insurance, loss of license etc., then there are folks who drive with no license, no registration, no inspection, no insurance, no laws stop them.

We have seen some cities in the US who have stopped prosecuting shoplifting for amounts under $900 dollars and there are folks who will go into a place of business and help themselves and (try) to keep it under $900.
Just because bad people do bad things doesn't mean you stop attempts at prevention through consequences.

The biggest reason why you still sue for IP infringement in an AI world even while still partnering with another AI company is deterrence. It may not deter 100% from misuse, but it'll deter enough to make an impact.
 

flynnibus

Premium Member
But they do. Else why is Micron shutting down its consumer lines to focus on data centers? Oh yeah, because the product doesn't easily convert to the other usage.
Because that is a business decision - not technolgy constraints or futures. It's literally focusing their efforts where better money is.

Using passive cooling doesn't mean it draws less power, my guy. The chipset you're referring to is still a 600W draw.
Because they are doing so much more in the same footprint.. That's literally what efficiency is getting them - density. Something they couldn't do without the efficency gains. And to the point of the larger picture here.. the same power is doing way more work, in a way better thermal design. That's what the technology improvements are gaining.. they aren't just scaling horizontally and consuming more.

Not even sure what your point is with this. That guy was trying to equate what I was saying with him sticking a card in a PCIE slot. Saying 'tech gets better everywhere' is hardly something that needs to be said.
Yet, you keep acting like how it plays out in consumer somehow doesn't apply to enterprise.

I know how to spell Jon Snow, at least.
Do you also understand auto-type systems? I hope so...

Oh, and I also know that Blackwell's Pro draws double what Ada Lovelace did. But hey, just keep making **** up, because that works.
Ok, its clear you don't get it. Last post from me...

But thats literally not what they do. They keep increasing the power.
They don't say 'hey, we are double the efficiency, we can stay the same power level as before and save half the energy'. They save half the energy and then add 4x the cores (FOR EXAMPLE ONLY) so they end up with double the draw again.
Because that is a product decision for the type of thing they are trying to build.. DENSITY. Something that doesn't happen without the advances you keep hand waving away.

Yes, AI usage is growing and utility consumption for it will continue to grow... because right now because the build out to meet demand is moving faster than technology. But that is a moment in time.. not something you use to rule out efficiency gains.

Ridiculous*
Did I ever say anything about it being 'unbounded' (whatever the **** that word means in your world)? What I meant was that Irishman decided it must have been Disney who wanted the three year agreement, when I would argue it was most definitely OpenAI.
And he already answered that well.. your position is weak on this. No IP holder ever wants to license their IP perpetually. Marvel Super Hero Island folks? Yeah, that's what desperation looks like..

What the **** are you even talking about? Did you completely make this up? The case is only in discovery. You saying its going in anyone's favor is a straight up lie.
Because the specific finding I'm referring to is other ongoing federal cases that have happened concurrently with the midjourney case. In the Anthropic case the judge has concluded training on legally sourced material was fair use. https://natlawreview.com/article/ai...es-piracy-landmark-anthropic-copyright-ruling


That isn't a thing. It simply isn't. Once the data is in the model and the model can use it to create other data, its not going to be removable from the set.

It is.. but keep up the fight. I'm sure you'll defeat this if you just keep trying!
 

Disstevefan1

Well-Known Member
Just because bad people do bad things doesn't mean you stop attempts at prevention through consequences.

The biggest reason why you still sue for IP infringement in an AI world even while still partnering with another AI company is deterrence. It may not deter 100% from misuse, but it'll deter enough to make an impact.
I agree and attempts should be made to stop law breakers. Like in everything, the stronger a law is enforced, the more effective a law is.
 

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