News Disney Lakeshore Lodge (Project 89 - Development near Fort Wilderness)

[note2001]

I think the only solution to avoid the negative guest satisfaction of members having to loose unusable points due to lack of available reservations is allow them to book regular deluxe rooms (non DVC) for a discount on points. Disney would be sacrificing the cash, but I think there won't be enough demand from those rooms anyway.

It's been mentioned, and probably one of the best solutions is to offer up a few more DVC cruises. It would mean canceling some less full ships and reorganizing passengers, but it could work for some. They have three new ships being built that could help relieve the pressure.

If I'm correct the Disney Wish will be open for first reservations in fall of this year. I think it's planned to start sailing in 2022. The timing isn't bad, would take some rule bending on those points that had to be cancelled and returned as well as negotiations with the Cruise side, but they've worked with them many times before.

 

[peter11435]

They have three new ships being built that could help relieve the pressure.

I wouldn’t be so sure of that

 

[bpiper]

It's been mentioned, and probably one of the best solutions is to offer up a few more DVC cruises. It would mean canceling some less full ships and reorganizing passengers, but it could work for some. They have three new ships being built that could help relieve the pressure.

And who in their right mind would want to go on a cruise until they have a proven vaccine administered to everyone.... Floating Petri dish.

After all the publicity of the ships who had confirmed cases wondering around the ocean looking for any port to take them in???

Cruising will be the last travel related industry to come back....

 

[note2001]

And who in their right mind would want to go on a cruise until they have a proven vaccine administered to everyone.... Floating Petri dish.

After all the publicity of the ships who had confirmed cases wondering around the ocean looking for any port to take them in???

Cruising will be the last travel related industry to come back....

2022. We will have a vaccine by then.

 

[bpiper]

2022. We will have a vaccine by then.

Then too late to be a way for members to burn up unusable points.

 

[note2001]

Then too late to be a way for members to burn up unusable points.

Please go back and read my post. I mentioned this.

 

[nickys]

Even if they did that, I don't think there would be enough rooms. 28% of the inventory has been declared into the condo association leaving 72% under Disney cash night control.

Here are the room counts:

Rooms: 341 (max 489)
Tower Studio: 24
Dedicated Studio: 38
Dedicated One Bedroom: 29
Dedicated Two Bedroom: 90
Lockoff Two Bedroom: 148
(Each can be booked separately as One Bedroom + Studio) 148
Three Bedroom Grand Villa: 12

I think the only solution to avoid the negative guest satisfaction of members having to loose unusable points due to lack of available reservations is allow them to book regular deluxe rooms (non DVC) for a discount on points. Disney would be sacrificing the cash, but I think there won't be enough demand from those rooms anyway.

That requires Disney to get involved with the DVC management, they’re different entities. It Would also mean having to,change the rules, since in order to use points in the Disney Collection, a) the points need to be “qualified” and b) DVC need to release a room for Disney to sell for cash. Where are the rooms going to come from?

 

[bpiper]

Please go back and read my post. I mentioned this.

Yes it would work if they bend the banking/borrowing rules. But can they?

Two problems.

No one wants to go cruising any time soon.

2nd. Many people don't want to go on a cruise in the first place. They want to go to the Magic Kingdom.

 

[note2001]

Yes it would work if they bend the banking/borrowing rules. But can they?

Two problems.

No one wants to go cruising any time soon.

2nd. Many people don't want to go on a cruise in the first place. They want to go to the Magic Kingdom.

I totally agree as I am one of the folk who would never set foot on a cruise. BUT... there are a ton of folk who adore it and despite this pandemic, if you offer them rooms on a brand new ship at a significant discount over the normal member cruise point costs, they'll jump right on it.

 

[bpiper]

That requires Disney to get involved with the DVC management, they’re different entities. It Would also mean having to,change the rules, since in order to use points in the Disney Collection, a) the points need to be “qualified” and b) DVC need to release a room for Disney to sell for cash. Where are the rooms going to come from?

Difference subsidiaries... All owned by The Walt Disney Co. Disney can do whatever they want but are bound by what contracts the subsidiaries have with each other. Disney gets involved with DVC management all the time. Who do you think keeps telling them to up the point price.

How about this, the subsidiary that owns/runs the cash resort hotels enters into a contract with the DVC subsidiary where they sell unused/unsold rooms to DVC for use by their members for $1 a night per room. So DVC is procuring replacement lodging for its members and can create a point price to charge the members.

I wonder if the contracts between the different subsidiaries and the member contracts were ever setup with this severe scenario in mind. I wonder what the plan would have been if a hurricane came through and destroyed one of the resorts? If you own at that resort your screwed, while other resorts your all set?

I suspect the reason we haven't heard anything from DVC is because a platoon of lawyers are going over all the contracts trying to figure out any loop holes in them or ways to stretch the terms in them. These contracts might not have been touched/looked at for years.

 

[bpiper]

I totally agree as I am one of the folk who would never set foot on a cruise. BUT... there are a ton of folk who adore it and despite this pandemic, if you offer them rooms on a brand new ship at a significant discount over the normal member cruise point costs, they'll jump right on it.

They adored it when it wasn't a floating Petri dish, (it always was, Norovirus outbreak anyone) but since Disney has stayed clear of that happening to their ships, people didn't equate Disney ships with that.

This is different. This is going to cause a lot of attitude changes in people going forward. I know I will be taking sick time instead of coming into work and infecting others. I know if I see anyone at work sick, they are going to get some remarks about how they are the next pandemic's patient 0.

 

[peter11435]

They adored it when it wasn't a floating Petri dish, (it always was, Norovirus outbreak anyone) but since Disney has stayed clear of that happening to their ships, people didn't equate Disney ships with that.

This is different. This is going to cause a lot of attitude changes in people going forward. I know I will be taking sick time instead of coming into work and infecting others. I know if I see anyone at work sick, they are going to get some remarks about how they are the next pandemic's patient 0.

I think the long term outlook on cruising is still unclear. There is also a huge difference between some people’s perception of them as “floating Petri dishes” and reality. They are cleaner than most other facilities you spend time in. Obviously there are issues but they are more related to time and tracking than actual risk.

Honestly I think once we get beyond the present and this is a year or so behind us people will return to cruising as before.

 

[Josh Hendy]

They adored it when it wasn't a floating Petri dish, (it always was, Norovirus outbreak anyone) but since Disney has stayed clear of that happening to their ships, people didn't equate Disney ships with that.

This is different. This is going to cause a lot of attitude changes in people going forward. I know I will be taking sick time instead of coming into work and infecting others. I know if I see anyone at work sick, they are going to get some remarks about how they are the next pandemic's patient 0.

You said it! Just last night facetiming my cousin she said, "We're big cruisers. We've actually caught bugs on 80% of the cruises we've been on and it never discouraged us ... until now. We cancelled both of the cruises we booked for later this year (late 2020)."

 

[bpiper]

You said it! Just last night facetiming my cousin she said, "We're big cruisers. We've actually caught bugs on 80% of the cruises we've been on and it never discouraged us ... until now. We cancelled both of the cruises we booked for later this year (late 2020)."

Wow, 80% sick rate but still kept coming back.... What was luring them back?

 

[JoeCamel]

Wow, 80% sick rate but still kept coming back.... What was luring them back?

Maybe they are the carriers and ill all the time?

 

[nickys]

Difference subsidiaries... All owned by The Walt Disney Co. Disney can do whatever they want but are bound by what contracts the subsidiaries have with each other. Disney gets involved with DVC management all the time. Who do you think keeps telling them to up the point price.

How about this, the subsidiary that owns/runs the cash resort hotels enters into a contract with the DVC subsidiary where they sell unused/unsold rooms to DVC for use by their members for $1 a night per room. So DVC is procuring replacement lodging for its members and can create a point price to charge the members.

I wonder if the contracts between the different subsidiaries and the member contracts were ever setup with this severe scenario in mind. I wonder what the plan would have been if a hurricane came through and destroyed one of the resorts? If you own at that resort your screwed, while other resorts your all set?

I suspect the reason we haven't heard anything from DVC is because a platoon of lawyers are going over all the contracts trying to figure out any loop holes in them or ways to stretch the terms in them. These contracts might not have been touched/looked at for years.

If a resort is completely destroyed, everyone with an ownership in that resort shares the insurance payout.

The reason we haven’t heard anything from DVC is because they’re waiting to see how long this situation continues. Until they know the extent of the problem, they can’t come up with a viable solution. But I agree they will be taking legal advice for sure.

 

[Josh Hendy]

Wow, 80% sick rate but still kept coming back.... What was luring them back?

I think they were getting minor sniffles and fever or something whenever they got home from a cruise. Apparently they never considered it a big problem. Until now, CV has scared the bejeepers out of them at the thought of being stuck on a ship with nowhere to land.

Their other big pastime of visiting their cottage on an island in a lake is also cancelled since the marina is shut and they can't access their boat.

 

[the.dreamfinder]

I think the long term outlook on cruising is still unclear. There is also a huge difference between some people’s perception of them as “floating Petri dishes” and reality. They are cleaner than most other facilities you spend time in. Obviously there are issues but they are more related to time and tracking than actual risk.

Honestly I think once we get beyond the present and this is a year or so behind us people will return to cruising as before.

If anything, the down market cruise lines with historically checkered cleanliness records will feel the brunt of it.

 

[WDWTrojan]

If anything, the down market cruise line with historically checkered cleanliness records will feel the brunt of it.

The diction here is

 

[SpaceMountain77]

If Balfour Beatty Construction LLC continues work on the development of the Hyatt Place: The Art of Disney site, then, it seems, this project is still moving forward