News Disney Lakeshore Lodge (Project 89 - Development near Fort Wilderness)

[hauntology]

Please, for all that is good and decent in existence, stop letting interior designers watch so much HGTV and read so much Architectural Digest.

I wish they'd hire younger faces for interior design at WDW hotels. I study at a pretty prestigious design school (studying history, not the craft) and I'm never not impressed by what people do there. I agree it's very acceptable contemporary clean modern looks for some of the new resorts, but particularly this one.

 

[raymusiccity]

I think you have hit the nail on the head. I am probably in a minority thinking that the artwork of this resort seems very relaxing and appealing, BUT... it is so close to the Fort, which has such a different vibe and a very different appeal. Yes, Fort guests may have extra options for food, drink, spa services etc, (if they are allowed access to the Reflection amenities and it is a not a one-sided arrangement ie. Reflections guests can book pony rides, carriage rides etc, but Fort guests can't get similar access to expanded options at Reflections). However, the "hipster vibe" of the proposed new resort doesn't seem to me to sit comfortably with the "camping/self-sufficiency" vibe of the Fort.

Having limited or 'one-way' access between resorts is nothing new. Bay Lake Tower guests have access to The Contemporary's pools, but not vice versa.

 

[lazyboy97o]

I wish they'd hire younger faces for interior design at WDW hotels. I study at a pretty prestigious design school (studying history, not the craft) and I'm never not impressed by what people do there. I agree it's very acceptable contemporary clean modern looks for some of the new resorts, but particularly this one.

But how much of it could actually be built?

 

[Missing20K]

But how much of it could actually be built?

I was hammered in a crit back in the day because I used CMU in a few places to increase square footage for a theorized community center in low income neighborhood. The reason being I gave "too much consideration to the building's cost".

 

[NiarrNDisney]

Still don't understand the placement of a Cajun/Creole restaurant outside of POFQ. Pocahontas would have been a better fit for the area.

 

[jt04]

Still don't understand the placement of a Cajun/Creole restaurant outside of POFQ. Pocahontas would have been a better fit for the area.

My hunch is Cajun/Creole is destined for Reflections while Pocahontas will be based in a reimagined pofq. The concept art makes much more sense if this is the plan.

PS- if it isn't the plan they should make it the plan. Resonates well. IMO.

 

[peter11435]

My hunch is Cajun/Creole is destined for Reflections while Pocahontas will be based in a reimagined pofq. The concept art makes much more sense if this is the plan.

PS- if it isn't the plan they should make it the plan. Resonates well. IMO.

What the hell are you talking about?

 

[jt04]

What the hell are you talking about?

Pocahontas (as seen in the concept art) works in a forested environment as found in the Port Orleans area. There is a push to add IPs to the resorts because guests love stuff like AoA.

The concept art also depicts Disney characters that inhabit the forest. Such as the Fox from the Fox and the Hound. Bambi and Chip and Dale also fit this environment.

Not only does the fulfil the initiative for IP inclusion but also the initiative to the new Disney Animals line. With Pocahontas acting as a sort of caretaker and educator for forest conservation.

Port Orleans was never fully themed compared to other WDW resorts so this wouldn't be difficult and is probably due considering the age of some of the buildings.

Reflections was announced to be themed towards a bayou setting with Tiana's restaurant and an overarching setting embracing the waterfront. Expecting Cajun/Creole dining and entertainment. Much more a wetlands environment than a forested area.

Hope that explains my theory from all the leaked concept art. Just my theory. Not official.

 

[aladdin2007]

My hunch is Cajun/Creole is destined for Reflections while Pocahontas will be based in a reimagined pofq. The concept art makes much more sense if this is the plan.

PS- if it isn't the plan they should make it the plan. Resonates well. IMO.

that theory doesnt even make the least bit of sense...but wouldn't put something like that past current management either.

 

[jt04]

that theory doesnt even make the least bit of sense...but wouldn't put something like that past current management either.

Of course it makes sense. You may not like the idea but that's a different matter.

Did you even see the artwork with Pocahontas etc? It is very very different from the artwork released at D23 for Reflections.

 

[Ponderer]

Of course it makes sense. You may not like the idea but that's a different matter.

Did you even see the artwork with Pocahontas etc? It is very very different from the artwork released at D23 for Reflections.

Was there new artwork for Reflections beside the restaurant images? I can't seem to find it.

 

[jt04]

Was there new artwork for Reflections beside the restaurant images? I can't seem to find it.

A-frames and tree houses on bay lake. Not sure of a hyperlink.

 

[Ponderer]

Ahhh, thanks. I wonder if this means they've gone to an overall Bambi theme.

(That would be one uncomfortably themed restaurant.)

 

[jt04]

Ahhh, thanks. I wonder if this means they've gone to an overall Bambi theme.

(That would be one uncomfortably themed restaurant.)

Maybe not after they produce a live action version for today's sensibilities.

I said version not venison.

 

[Ponderer]

Maybe not after they produce a live action version for today's sensibilities.

I said version not venison.

Dark, baby, dark.

Me likey.

 

[Epcot82Guy]

I agree with the darkness of Bambi - especially live action.

The rest I can't get behind and would seem a colossal waste of updates to shoehorn in the IP. The new Lodge is more forest, I agree. But, Bay Lake and that area is FAR more forested. And, for the restaurant, Tiana's harkens to the French Quarter (of NOLA) much more than the bayou. It would seem to be far easier to have Tiana's Place be at POFQ and work more Frog IP elements into a POFQ update - especially since you already have a fair bit at Riverside.

Then, have the restaurant be inspired by Disney's most famous forest creatures. There's nothing that says it has to be solo IP. You could easily use characters from Bambi, Princess and the Frog, Robin Hood, Pocahontas, etc. Some of the sidekicks are highly popular. Likely not enough to drive a restaurant itself. But, combining them into one - especially in subtle ways like ironwork, chairs, upholstery, etc. - and then a character breakfast or the like - ala O'hana. That would actually accomplish the directives in many ways.

 

[Bocabear]

One would hope that the Food and location would drive the restaurant...not the IP...the IP should just be the icing on the cake... not the whole meal.

 

[danlb_2000]

Permit filed day for a bunch of addresses related to this project. Expiration date in 9/30/2022

8/27/2019 - Fort Wilderness - Balfour Beatty Construction Llc
570,572,574,576,578,580,582,584,720,722,724,726,728 W. Wilderness Way - Structure, utilities and area development

 

[Magic Feather]

Let's Break this Down.

Pocahontas (as seen in the concept art) works in a forested environment

Agree

as found in the Port Orleans area.

What? I assume you are only taking about the Alligator Bayou Section of Riverside. That is a marshy area that is well themed to the American South, not a foresty area that matches up with 1600's Virginia. Let alone French Quarter and the Mansions.

There is a push to add IPs to the resorts because guests love stuff like AoA.

Yes and no. Yes to an IP push. No to AoA. There is a reason that IP integration will follow the Art of Marvel Method (Plug for my Art of Marvel Implications Thread) and not the AoA/Values one, simply because it is viewed as unpopular and comes across as dated. AoA, which is usually the highest performing value, has been falling short lately. Still have yet to confirm, but I have reason to believe that Pop Century is starting to overtake it.

The concept art also depicts Disney characters that inhabit the forest. Such as the Fox from the Fox and the Hound. Bambi and Chip and Dale also fit this environment.

Not only does the fulfil the initiative for IP inclusion but also the initiative to the new Disney Animals line. With Pocahontas acting as a sort of caretaker and educator for forest conservation.

Right, so she belongs (if anywhere) at Reflections, NOT PO.

Port Orleans was never fully themed compared to other WDW resorts so this wouldn't be difficult and is probably due considering the age of some of the buildings.

Cannot dislike enough. See attached photos.

Reflections was announced to be themed towards a bayou setting with Tiana's restaurant and an overarching setting embracing the waterfront. Expecting Cajun/Creole dining and entertainment. Much more a wetlands environment than a forested area.

No, it was announced to have waterfront dining with Tiana. Most likely it will act in a similar manner to Storybook Dining at Artist Point with a light thematic overlay in a restaurant made for the resort itself.


I also have a giant rant about the marketing for this resort being fudged, and how a few simple marketing tweaks would make it much better received (ex. dropping the "Lodge" moniker from its name and reframing how it was pitched), but that is for another time.

 

[UNCgolf]

Yeah, I would strongly disagree about the theming at Port Orleans. It's a great resort almost all around. The only real negative is the food, which isn't bad, but certainly isn't anything special. That doesn't really matter to me, though, because I don't really do any eating at the resort (other than trips to a specific resort just to eat there, like breakfast at Boma at AKL). I stayed there last time I was at Disney and am staying there again in January because we liked it so much.