Disney is lying to us.

[Ayla]

It's taking people two hours this week from the time they drive onto WDW property to actually get in to the parks because it's so backed up. If they're limiting capacity, it's just barely, and only to avoid having to constantly go to phase shutdowns. This is possibly the busiest summer Orlando has ever seen. I don't have proof of that, but I've lived here a while, and I feel it.

They aren't limiting capacity, anymore. Not of customers, anyway.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

It's taking people two hours this week from the time they drive onto WDW property to actually get in to the parks because it's so backed up. If they're limiting capacity, it's just barely, and only to avoid having to constantly go to phase shutdowns. This is possibly the busiest summer Orlando has ever seen. I don't have proof of that, but I've lived here a while, and I feel it.

They don’t really want Florida residents there…didn’t you get the memo?

 

[Beacon Joe]

Are they still rerouting the lines? When we were there in February, for Peter Pan they made us line up in Columbia Harbour House restaurant. And most (if not all) the ride lines were outside. Tower of Terror was all the way down the street! It looked like it was a 2 hour wait, but it was only 45 minutes. Just wondering if they quit doing that.

Possibly, but I don't know as we only went through two ride lines plus the Peoplemover before bailing - and one of those ride lines ended up a waste of time since the ride broke down just as we were approaching the vehicle ramp. The Splash line wound back towards Pirates. The Big Thunder line had a second line at the bridge that wound down to the Country Bears. When we got off Space Mountain, the line for that was split up and there was a second line back past Monsters Inc. Dunno about Haunted Mansion since we turned tail after seeing a CM in a Haunted Mansion dress standing back past the Liberty Tree Tavern. My favorite was the Slinky Dog line back next to Little Mermaid and Mickey and Minnie. A sadistic part of me wanted to sit and watch if the Slinky Dog line ever made contact with the TOT and RNR lines which were steadily on target to pass the Brown Derby and Starbucks.

There were lines everywhere so it was hard to decipher what line was for what without asking the CMs. It pretty much felt like our visit to BGW earlier this year when half the coasters and restaurants were closed, but attendance was normal, and we basically could squeeze onto rides until about an hour after park opening and by then, the lines wound everywhere around the park chaotically. At least with BGW, we have seasons tickets so a quick hop in to ride 1 or 2 rides isn't all that painful.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

They can’t effectively run wdw at normal capacity without a crowd management system In place…

the fact they are even flirting with it speaks very accurately of what is a very poor/inexperienced management by the looks of it.

 

[Disney Glimpses]

AFAIK there is no longer a stated park capacity limit. Could be 80% for all we know.

 

[Cuse165]

Well so sorry bite my head off.

 

[Cuse165]

They aren't limiting capacity, anymore. Not of customers, anyway.

Thank you

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

AFAIK there is no longer a stated park capacity limit. Could be 80% for all we know.

Which means they are in normal op…because they never approach capacity more than a few days a year - if that

Well so sorry bite my head off.

I don’t believe anyone is…sorry if it came off that way.

 

[Disney Glimpses]

Which means they are in normal op…because they never approach capacity more than a few days a year - if that

For most part it appears that way. I find their usage of it a little confusing. It was assumed they would use it to ensure that resort and ticket guests would be able to access the parks before APs. But recently, APs are often the only ones with availability.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

For most part it appears that way. I find their usage of it a little confusing. It was assumed they would use it to ensure that resort and ticket guests would be able to access the parks before APs. But recently, APs are often the only ones with availability.

Might have someone to do with no aps being sold?

but to your point…I have no idea how they are setting the “numbers” behind the scene? My theory is they don’t care less now that they’ve likely determined staffing is “adequate”…so they are using the reservation to data glean/come up with sales tactics

 

[Tom Morrow]

They aren't limiting capacity, anymore. Not of customers, anyway.

They must be to some extent or there wouldn't be days where you can't get a day-of reservation.

They don’t really want Florida residents there…didn’t you get the memo?

I think more tourists have opted to drive to Orlando and staying off property than ever before this summer. I live right in the heart of 192 tourism and I've never seen vehicle traffic of this magnitude before outside of Christmas-New Years. The restaurants and grocery stores are running out of food. Parking lots packed at all times. Fast food drive through's double-wrapped around the building and causing actual traffic jams on the main roads. It's insanity.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I think more tourists have opted to drive to Orlando and staying off property than ever before this summer. I live right in the heart of 192 tourism and I've never seen vehicle traffic of this magnitude before outside of Christmas-New Years. The restaurants and grocery stores are running out of food. Parking lots packed at all times. Fast food drive through's double-wrapped around the building and causing actual traffic jams on the main roads. It's insanity.

Interesting…

I’m not one for “on the ground” reports…but I’ve heard a few this week unsolicited about just how awful it has been there in July.

I’d like to know what the hell is actually being done to combat this…other than charging full price and letting lines balloon out of control

 

[sy278]

What are the announced or implied capacity rates right now. B/C this place is a total s. show right now and crowd sizes at MK look pretty much the same as they were every pre-2020 mid-July. Never thought I’d long for FP but this trip has been a total waste of money.

Please make sure you tell Guest Relations, if they don't get people complaining they will just carry on.

 

[LaughingGravy]

Gee, if only they added attractions instead of taking them away (Mission to Mars/ Alien Encounter/Stitch) with all that land purchased.
But, clearly, people are still coming at full price with less value.

 

[Dad 2 M & M]

I honestly see no end. As long as there are folks to pay the money no matter the price and accept whatever they get. The stock will continue to climb and eventually split. I have no shares, but I am sure shareholders are happy.

Gee, if only they added attractions instead of taking them away (Mission to Mars/ Alien Encounter/Stitch) with all that land purchased.
But, clearly, people are still coming at full price with less value.

Gee wilikers….anyone booked a hotel ressie in ANY town recently? There is one of the Big Brand hotels, with a mid tier status in Mt Pleasant that was $110-$150 a weekend night that is now going for north of $350….even the low tier motels are above $100 a night now…

I assume those will correct soon, but Disney is Inelastic in every aspect of their operation(s) with no end in sight

Fall in line my peeps….if not there are plenty of Avatars in Disney’s eyes…..the Mouse always wins

 

[Disstevefan1]

They don’t really want Florida residents there…didn’t you get the memo?

Apparently they don't want locals to WDW or locals to DLR to visit either park.

I guess for now, there are plenty of folks finally going on vacation after the lockdowns to sufficiently MOB both parks.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Apparently they don't want locals to WDW or locals to DLR to visit either park.

I guess for now, there are plenty of folks finally going on vacation after the lockdowns to sufficiently MOB both parks.

Because their “per day spending” isn’t high enough”

I always say never trust Disney when they talk to you…unless it’s obviously offensive like this

 

[DfromATX]

Possibly, but I don't know as we only went through two ride lines plus the Peoplemover before bailing - and one of those ride lines ended up a waste of time since the ride broke down just as we were approaching the vehicle ramp. The Splash line wound back towards Pirates. The Big Thunder line had a second line at the bridge that wound down to the Country Bears. When we got off Space Mountain, the line for that was split up and there was a second line back past Monsters Inc. Dunno about Haunted Mansion since we turned tail after seeing a CM in a Haunted Mansion dress standing back past the Liberty Tree Tavern. My favorite was the Slinky Dog line back next to Little Mermaid and Mickey and Minnie. A sadistic part of me wanted to sit and watch if the Slinky Dog line ever made contact with the TOT and RNR lines which were steadily on target to pass the Brown Derby and Starbucks.

There were lines everywhere so it was hard to decipher what line was for what without asking the CMs. It pretty much felt like our visit to BGW earlier this year when half the coasters and restaurants were closed, but attendance was normal, and we basically could squeeze onto rides until about an hour after park opening and by then, the lines wound everywhere around the park chaotically. At least with BGW, we have seasons tickets so a quick hop in to ride 1 or 2 rides isn't all that painful.

Wow. I guess it's safe to assume park capacity has really picked up since February. Yikes.

 

[Goofyernmost]

This was 31 years ago, but on my first trip to WDW, I remember the Space Mountain line stretching all the way out to the Peoplemover/Astro Orbiter platform-which is why I didn't ride it until my second trip 24 years later.

In the early 80's Space Mtn. was the ride to ride in MK. Epcot opened in late 82 and had no thrill rides so that was it.

 

[Goofyernmost]

I kinda see your point, in the case of Kodak and Xerox the leadership had lack of vision for the future technology.

Kodak INVENTED the digital camera, but the leadership said, “we have film, we don’t need digital”.

Xerox INVENTED the Windows type of operating system, including the mouse, but the leadership said we have photocopiers, we don’t need this Windows stuff.

Brick and mortar retail like Sears could possibly also survived if they committed to e-commerce at the very beginning when Amazon was just selling books. Once again I guess it’s lack of vision for new technology.

Just my opinion, the car companies were killed by the unions, the unions got too powerful, paying workers to literally not to work.

The theme parks to me are different. It’s leisure and entertainment. As long as folks have the cash, folks will pay, and Disney can ( and do) change things up. To keep making money.

After what I am seeing now, I still think TWDC is invincible.

I don't think it is the union as much as it was, once again, lack of forward thinking on the part of top management. If you lived in the 50's, like I did, you would know that Japanese stuff was just one tiny step from being total junk. So when they started building cars Detroit decided to continue to build large cumbersome tanks and bet on the idea that Mericans wouldn't want a small car. They were right for a while then along came the 70's and the fuel embargo and people bought foreign because they were small and got big gas mileage. By then Japan had become quite good at building quality things, cars included and Detroit just sat on their laurels. Then the public didn't break the joy of the money saved on gas even after the embargo had ended. Detroit didn't know how to make small comfortable, low gas consuming vehicles and they found themselves with more models than they needed and much smaller sales numbers than could support the extra. GM for example hung unto the luxury ones like Cadillac and Buick and the everyman car that was popular before, Chevrolet. Reduced in size and a familiar American brand. They still had the group that had to have their all powerful vehicles to supplement low testosterone and Pickups continued to get bigger and bigger. Sales were justified because the would also be a utility vehicle. That went up to the ridiculousness of Cadillac and Lincoln pickups. Just for show, but that meant the end of whatever brands that overlapped others. That led to the every car looks exactly the same SUV to haul around the huge family of two children and carry everything they own with them. Along with breathtaking $100.00 gas fill-ups. Unions did create higher prices but it was offset by the creation of the middle class that was now able to buy more and help the economy Beyond the price of a luxury item.

Theme parks are different but with the slow destruction of the middle class that is going to leave only the wealthy that can afford a Disney Park along with Disney's inability to think that there is a limit to how much money they should make can eventually have a tipping point.. From what I have experienced wealthy people tend to seek things more exciting then Small World. $250,000.00 6 minute trip to outer space anyone? Take that Space Mountain. Also a theme park is a pure luxury that offers nothing more then entertainment. when people have to cut expenses guess what the first thing is that they will stop spending money on. Not all right people are Billionaires, many wealthy people can end up broke and have.