Disney is a struggling company. I don’t see an end in sight.

Vegas Disney Fan

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Back in the day? Sure. Now? ESPN is absolutely not required and the amount that actually is sorts let alone opinion shows (using that term very lightly here)?

Simply put I’d consider it at maybe $3. $30? No way.
I currently pay for ESPN+ solely for the NHL games. Unfortunately for them hockey is the 4th or 5th most popular sport in America so there’s only a few million of us willing to pay for it.

IF they could get the rights to show every NFL game, or every NCAAF game, I think people would pay for it, that’s a huge IF though and would probably cost so much they’d lose money in the long run.
 

MisterPenguin

President of Animal Kingdom
Premium Member
When cable is finally dead (or an insignificant niche market) and sportscasting loses the subsidies of the cable bundle, then either:

1. Streamers will subsidize sportscasting with their own bundles.
2. Streamers will charge subscribers the actual cost of sportscasting... the "$30".
3. Sports organizations will have to give up lucrative sportscasting contracts.

We're seeing the pinch now. Disney has already passed up a big sportscasting contract in the U.S. because it was too expensive (I forgot which one). And they famously bowed out of paying an exorbitant sum for the India cricket league.

The big sports leagues have been enjoying broadcast and premium channels bidding ever higher amounts for their sportscast rights. But in the transition to streaming, the streamers, who will take over the broadcast and premium channels, don't have the big bucks to keep paying the big leagues bigger and bigger contracts.

Unless they charge $30 for streaming. And when that doesn't work, they'll stop bidding so high, and then the big sports leagues will have to claw back their exorbitant spending on star athletes and big wig execs.

Good luck sports world!!
 

Robbiem

Well-Known Member
Does anyone know how Hearst’s 20% share affects any ESPN deal? Does it constrain Disney in what they can or can’t do or give Hearst a veto?
 

Mmoore29

Well-Known Member
I don't watch random YouTube videos. Care to break it down or explain how this person is credible on the issue?
Pointing out that the Dylan Mulvaney promotion was ONE Instagram post and ONE personalized can sent to her that was NOT ON SALE for the public, so it was NEVER INTENDED FOR THE GENERAL PUBLIC. That Anheuser-Busch InBev is massively successful, with many brands worldwide (many of which the 'boycotters' are still buying because they stupidly don't know they belong under that same umbrella), and that the stock is still quite a degree higher than its actual low point which was in...2008.

That the Target items were MEANT FOR ADULTS, not children, and that they WEREN'T IN THE CHILDREN'S AISLE, and thus there was nothing to actually complain about, certainly not to "apologize" for. And that Target's backtracking was what hurt the company, not the initial pitch.

Not to mention that one of the biggest people pushing the narrative, Kid Rock, is certainly not who he's ever presented himself as, as Mr. Robert James Ritchie lived a very privileged upbringing and people have just moved away from him because he's stale and irrelevant.

In other words, these boycotts are not what the media lazily parrots them to be, or what sheep on the Internet repeat it as.

If that's the case, then what is said about Disney (although the YouTuber does not talk about Disney in the video) is similarly suspect.
 

drizgirl

Well-Known Member
Pointing out that the Dylan Mulvaney promotion was ONE Instagram post and ONE personalized can sent to her that was NOT ON SALE for the public, so it was NEVER INTENDED FOR THE GENERAL PUBLIC. That Anheuser-Busch InBev is massively successful, with many brands worldwide (many of which the 'boycotters' are still buying because they stupidly don't know they belong under that same umbrella), and that the stock is still quite a degree higher than its actual low point which was in...2008.

That the Target items were MEANT FOR ADULTS, not children, and that they WEREN'T IN THE CHILDREN'S AISLE, and thus there was nothing to actually complain about, certainly not to "apologize" for. And that Target's backtracking was what hurt the company, not the initial pitch.

Not to mention that one of the biggest people pushing the narrative, Kid Rock, is certainly not who he's ever presented himself as, as Mr. Robert James Ritchie lived a very privileged upbringing and people have just moved away from him because he's stale and irrelevant.

In other words, these boycotts are not what the media lazily parrots them to be, or what sheep on the Internet repeat it as.

If that's the case, then what is said about Disney (although the YouTuber does not talk about Disney in the video) is similarly suspect.
OK, so nothing new.
 

ABQ

Well-Known Member
I currently pay for ESPN+ solely for the NHL games. Unfortunately for them hockey is the 4th or 5th most popular sport in America so there’s only a few million of us willing to pay for it.

IF they could get the rights to show every NFL game, or every NCAAF game, I think people would pay for it, that’s a huge IF though and would probably cost so much they’d lose money in the long run.
I buy it for NHL as well and though it's off season, I flipped it on this weekend and wow....ESPN was showing "professional" horseshoes. I miss the original ESPN days of Aussie Rules Football. Though I'm all for having a drink while watching sports, I'm not a fan of watching sports which can be played WHILE having a drink, ie horseshoes.
 

drizgirl

Well-Known Member
I buy it for NHL as well and though it's off season, I flipped it on this weekend and wow....ESPN was showing "professional" horseshoes. I miss the original ESPN days of Aussie Rules Football. Though I'm all for having a drink while watching sports, I'm not a fan of watching sports which can be played WHILE having a drink, ie horseshoes.
So you’re saying you wouldn’t pay $30 a month for that?
 

Lilofan

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I buy it for NHL as well and though it's off season, I flipped it on this weekend and wow....ESPN was showing "professional" horseshoes. I miss the original ESPN days of Aussie Rules Football. Though I'm all for having a drink while watching sports, I'm not a fan of watching sports which can be played WHILE having a drink, ie horseshoes.
I do.like watching reruns of interesting stories of ESPN , 30 for 30.
 

MoonRakerSCM

Well-Known Member
I buy it for NHL as well and though it's off season, I flipped it on this weekend and wow....ESPN was showing "professional" horseshoes. I miss the original ESPN days of Aussie Rules Football. Though I'm all for having a drink while watching sports, I'm not a fan of watching sports which can be played WHILE having a drink, ie horseshoes.
This weekend was the annual ESPN the OCHO where ESPN plays a ton of hilarious random and quirky sports and their championships-

US Mullet Championships
US Air Guitar Championships
Jelle's Marble Runs (AKA the Marblelympics, a favorite of mine)
Microsoft Excel World Championship
TurfWars Invitational: Adult Kickball Championship
Pillow Fight Championship
Masskrugstemmen Stein Holding Competition
Franklin Rock River Stone Skipping Competition
World Sign Spinning Championship

and many many more... It's a great event that's worth recording! This was spurred from the movie Dodgeball where the championships were being shown on ESPN 8 "The Ocho"

"It's a bold strategy Cotton, lets see if it pays off for em"

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TP2000

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OK, so nothing new.

No kidding. 🤣

But even if Alissa Heinerscheid (AKA the pride of Harvard University) destroyed the formerly top selling beer brand in America, at least the InBev stock price is up 2.7% in the last year. Because the Walt Disney Company stock price is down 28.7% in the past year.

If you had invested $100 in Anheuser-Busch a year ago pre Alissa, you'd have $102.77 today.

If you had invested $100 in Disney a year ago pre Bob 2.0, you'd have $71.24 today.

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Mmoore29

Well-Known Member
No kidding. 🤣

But even if Alissa Heinerscheid (AKA the pride of Harvard University) destroyed the formerly top selling beer brand in America, at least the InBev stock price is up 2.7% in the last year. Because the Walt Disney Company stock price is down 28.7% in the past year.

If you had invested $100 in Anheuser-Busch a year ago pre Alissa, you'd have $102.77 today.

If you had invested $100 in Disney a year ago pre Bob 2.0, you'd have $71.24 today.

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And you'll have 200 by the end of Iger's reign.

And Bud Light was not destroyed, especially for a campaign that only involved ONE CAN NOT SOLD TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC. AB InBev selling the craft beers is nothing more than an ill-advised panic move.
 

drizgirl

Well-Known Member
And you'll have 200 by the end of Iger's reign.

And Bud Light was not destroyed, especially for a campaign that only involved ONE CAN NOT SOLD TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC. AB InBev selling the craft beers is nothing more than an ill-advised panic move.
No caps needed. People know that can wasn't sold to the public. It had to do with brand messaging. They sent a message and their customers reacted.
 

AdventureHasAName

Well-Known Member
No caps needed. People know that can wasn't sold to the public. It had to do with brand messaging. They sent a message and their customers reacted.
Yeah, it didn't help that the division's head of marketing stated publicly that her customers were problematic and she wanted new ones. Or that the CIA dope running the conglomerate didn't immediately apologize when he learned about it.
 

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