That could very well happen. I'm waiting to see how they handle the crowds.Make your decision easy and plan a EPIC Universe vacation in 2025
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Disney Genie and Genie+ at Walt Disney World
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ConfettiCupcake
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I wonder if we’re comparing apples to apples with most people who get a ton of headliners out of Genie+. I think some people include ILL in their attraction count which is still obviously separate from multipass and can be done with this new system too.
MK might be the biggest difference between the two systems. Tier 1 at Epcot/DHS include attractions that you’d have a hard time hitting up all in one day on genie+ before they sell out, without utilize refresh and drops (which are probably still going to be a factor in the new system).
Dranth
Well-Known Member
Uni is building EU in 5 years. Aug 2019 - at least March 2025 minus one year for Covid break.
Disstevefan1
Well-Known Member
About the same time it took Disney to destroy Future World in EPCOT.
So it would take Disney 15 years to build?
lentesta
Premium Member
This old chestnut is from 2018. Has he indicated something different since then? Where lowered capacity is readily observable (e.g., attractions with less than the full complement of loading bays being used) I've continued to see attractions running at lowered capacity the overwhelming majority of the time in the intervening years, whether we were visiting over President's Day weekend (which was horribly crowded), or late August (when crowds are lower than usual).
Len Testa Crowd Analysis
I just listened to a podcast from DISUnplugged featuring @lentesta discussing the crowds so far in 2018. I highly recommend listening to it, his information was very interesting. Apparently his wait time projections were significantly off for the start of 2018. Particularly, wait times in...forums.wdwmagic.com
There's two parts to this:
1) Just comparing actual wait times to posted wait times, you can't conclude that Disney's artificially inflating posted wait times.
About 75% of posted wait times are less than the amount of time you'll really wait in line. But that means roughly 25% of posted wait times are less than or equal to your actual wait in line.
I don't think you could convince a judge or jury with those numbers. Disney's explanation is going to be along the lines of "It's just so gosh-darned hard to get this right!"
2) Disney doesn't have to artificially inflate the numbers to sell Genie+. It can get the same results by just having everyone be uncertain as to whether the posted waits are accurate.
In that case, you're just buying insurance: If the posted wait times are overinflated, you'd still wait less than almost everyone else; and if the posted wait times are too low, you're still covered.
JIMMYEDDIE
New Member
Thats why i put it in quotes........My Tier 1's are
HS: Rise, Tower, Rocking, Millenium, Runaway, Slink
Epcot: Guardians, Test T, Soarin, Frozen, Remys
MK: Tron, Space, P Pan, Pirates, Thunder, Tianas
AK: Flight, Everest, Navi, Safari
Dranth
Well-Known Member
Outside of the Covid mess they generally take pretty similar times. The difference is we hear about it for 3-5 years before hand when it comes to Disney.
How long did Tron take?
It seems like Universal built an entire park in the same amount of time Disney did one ride?
Dranth
Well-Known Member
Five years and 2 months with it running from 2018 - 2023.
Tron is a great example of why I included the Covid exceptions because Disney REALLY put everything into a crawl during that stretch. Outside of that, Disney has historically taken longer but not at the ridiculous levels we have seen during Covid.
GoofGoof
Premium Member
Yep. That goes equally for both systems. With no re-rides it may actually be more likely to get a tier 1 that someone else drops later in the day.
Deadly Danson
Active Member
Doesn't seem to make any difference but thanks. I'll keep trying and then by the time I go hopefully someone will have figured something out.
Vegas Disney Fan
Well-Known Member
This is one area I respect Universal far more than Disney, when they announced Epic back in 2019 the expected opening date was 2025, after the Covid shutdown they ramped up construction so they could still open in 2025, when Disney announced Tron it was supposed to be open by the 50th, after the Covid shutdown they slowed down construction so they could spread the cost over more quarters.
One is customer expectation driven, the other is spreadsheet drive. When Uni announces something I expect it to be built, when Disney announces something I give it a 50/50 chance of ever happening.
GhostHost1000
Premium Member
and if it does, expect the budget to be cut and it turn out nothing like the concept art
GoofGoof
Premium Member
At a minimum you should be able to book all 14 days of your park ticket 3 days prior to start so Nov 4th.
As far as booking all 14 days on Oct 31 that’s a good question. I have a similar situation with just 2 hotels. For dining they won’t link the 2 reservations so you have to wait for 60 days prior to the second one for those days but this system seems to be more linked to your park ticket than to your room so not sure. I am going in August so I’ll let you know if we don’t find out before then
Dranth
Well-Known Member
Well, they did put the human embodiment of an early 2000s era Excel sheet in charge of the company during the Covid mess.
They originally said summer 2025.
All the latest reports are it will open months ahead of schedule. They are now saying early 2025.
You might see some special previews happening during the holidays this year at the rate they are going.
Disney is on the mat and Universal's foot is on their throat.
GhostHost1000
Premium Member
Cariad
Member
And we can use it at all the parks? Use the pre booked ones at one park, say MK and then hop over to EPCOT and be able to book rides there?
With "free" butter like substance topping?