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Disney doing buisness

Monty

Brilliant...and Canadian
In the Parks
No
If I was a Company that made 4.8 Billion and has over 2 million visitors to their sports complex I think I would throw some incentive toward a private company to build a project on my land that I felt would enhance my buisness thru hotel bookings,food, park entry fees no problem. I would be looked at as providing jobs for the community from my company. To ask the state for tax breaks on sales tax on building products tax breaks on copy machines discounts for electric I thought in buisness this was a tax cost at the end of the year anyway. The second step would any of the other sports complexes for the NFL or MLB teams (Florida has 4) that meet this critia get tax breaks also more money the state is not getting. They are laying of police officers in my area in Florida the article aslo states it would lower property taxes.

You need to look at the net tax income, not just the tax breaks.

If giving Disney an annual tax break of $20M to build new facilities results in an increase of tax income down the road of $40M annually through increased tourism and job creation then it makes sense to give Disney the tax break.

Looking at only one seemingly negative aspect of a scenario rather than the "big picture" does a disservice to the taxpayer. In theory, we elect politicians to be smart about what they decide, sadly in practice they tend to be influenced far too much by knee-jerk reactions to "optics" that make no sense in the real world.
 

lt94

New Member
Original Poster
the point I was trying to make
Buisness needs to invest in it's self to grow
20 mil for disney
20 mil X 2 for ISC (miami,datona)
20 mil X 3 for the NFL (miami,tampa,jacksonville)
20 mil X 2 for MLB (miami ,tampa)
what about sports complexes at Univeristy's ?
I always look at impact something has down the road
Im for groth but at what cost
 

JimboJones123

Well-Known Member
I just feel bad that Disney is trying to steal this from Reno.

That is a highly balanced city that has become very attractive to Americans over the years for their very low taxes. It would be a shame if Disney swept in and punched Reno in the gut on their way to higher revenues.
 

RSoxNo1

Well-Known Member
Again, this is not for Splitsville, this is for a large-scale, competition focused bowling facility for tournaments such as the PBA. Two completely different and unrelated projects other than both feature bowling alleys.

I thought the Wide World of Sports bowling alley project was squashed.
 
I just feel bad that Disney is trying to steal this from Reno.

That is a highly balanced city that has become very attractive to Americans over the years for their very low taxes. It would be a shame if Disney swept in and punched Reno in the gut on their way to higher revenues.

I didn't realize Reno had won the project.
 

fosse76

Well-Known Member
The point is, and I think people seem to really be missing it, Disney doesn't need tax breaks to build something. If they can spend billions on RFD, which won't actually bring any extra money or additional tourists, then they can afford the $20 million in taxes they are trying to weasel out of paying. What they are doing is, essentially, extorting the state: "we will build this stadium, creating hundreds of "temporary" jobs that will ultimately bring in more tourist revenue (theoretically). But we will only do this if we get a tax break we don't really need."

This isn't a mom-and-pop shop that counts every nickel for survival, and who would be more deserving of a tax break than a company that earned billions in profits. The extra revenue for Disney should be their incentive, not a tax break.
 

DisneyJoe

Well-Known Member
Disney has a responsibility to its shareholders to maximize profits and earnings, and part of standard business is to request these tax breaks.
 

njDizFan

Well-Known Member
The point is, and I think people seem to really be missing it, Disney doesn't need tax breaks to build something. If they can spend billions on RFD, which won't actually bring any extra money or additional tourists, then they can afford the $20 million in taxes they are trying to weasel out of paying. What they are doing is, essentially, extorting the state: "we will build this stadium, creating hundreds of "temporary" jobs that will ultimately bring in more tourist revenue (theoretically). But we will only do this if we get a tax break we don't really need."

This isn't a mom-and-pop shop that counts every nickel for survival, and who would be more deserving of a tax break than a company that earned billions in profits. The extra revenue for Disney should be their incentive, not a tax break.

Good post Fosse. Why exactly should Disney not be expected to pay taxes on goods and services like every other company planning to expand? Yes I understand this will benefit Fla tourism and increase tax revenue with new jobs and new visitors but again do they really need to be subsidized.

You are a private company if you cannot afford to pay the taxes expected then are you just going to take your ball and go home? Come on Disney pay the taxes and expand, how much are you paying your corporate lobbyist annually so you can sidestep tax laws anyway?
 

RSoxNo1

Well-Known Member
Let's not pretend for a second that this is the first time any business has asked for a tax break. Regardless of where you come down on tax breaks for job creators, this is far from unprecedented.
 

stitch2008

Member
Good post Fosse. Why exactly should Disney not be expected to pay taxes on goods and services like every other company planning to expand? Yes I understand this will benefit Fla tourism and increase tax revenue with new jobs and new visitors but again do they really need to be subsidized.

You are a private company if you cannot afford to pay the taxes expected then are you just going to take your ball and go home? Come on Disney pay the taxes and expand, how much are you paying your corporate lobbyist annually so you can sidestep tax laws anyway?

Oh no. Disney is a coporation. Their out to get our money. Please stop. :brick:

Companies get tax breaks to expand all the time, cause they create jobs. The jobs create income for workers, which then gets pushed back into the economy and helps out others.

This is a smart move by Disney. They are saying hey we have a good idea here and we think this could benefit everyone. So tell you what, you give us some tax breaks to releave some of the costs, we'll go and build this bowling alley, and in turn, you and us will recieve income from groups who come to compete and we'll create jobs in the process. As others have mentioned, its a gamble. But anything in business is a gamble.

Local cities and states give out these breaks too. Where I live, we are getting a company from out of state to move to oure area. The government offered a tax break plan that was attractive and they are moving all their jobs to our area. So for all those tax breaks, we get about 1,000 full time jobs, a lot homes purchased in our area, and lots of new revenue for the local economy. Its a win for us cause we made a business a business friendly enviornment. Again its a gamble, but as I said, anything in business is a gamble. But it can pay off in the end. And tax breaks are usually temporary. The company moving to my area I think has 10 years of tax breaks and then they start paying.
 

SobchakSecurity

Active Member
Local cities and states give out these breaks too. Where I live, we are getting a company from out of state to move to oure area. The government offered a tax break plan that was attractive and they are moving all their jobs to our area. So for all those tax breaks, we get about 1,000 full time jobs, a lot homes purchased in our area, and lots of new revenue for the local economy. Its a win for us cause we made a business a business friendly enviornment. Again its a gamble, but as I said, anything in business is a gamble. But it can pay off in the end. And tax breaks are usually temporary. The company moving to my area I think has 10 years of tax breaks and then they start paying.

Usually they move after 10 or 15 years when another city hands them a subsidy to relocate. New York area suburbs do this all the time, and then the businesses always end up trying to relocate back to New York (a la UBS in Stamford, CT). They may keep a few jobs in their old facilities, but they are usually lower paying, or just write-off the expenses entirely.


If you look deeper though, you'll see the project would create hundreds of construction jobs, tens to hundreds of permanent workers once it's built, millions in purchases of materials, and thousands of tourists coming to the state of Florida - all of which generate millions in taxes AND employing thousands of Floridians.

This is the same argument used to support taxpayer funding of sports stadiums, and ask people in Cincinnati or Indianapolis how great gifts keep on giving when revenue projections come in well under forecasts and counties and cities have to cut fire and police to pay the bonds on construction. Florida needs construction jobs, but those are temporary. This is a bowling alley, remember, and will probably only support maybe a 100 or so low-wage part time jobs. And it could take business away from other bowling alleys in the area, causing job losses. They'd be better off dropping the money in bundles from helicopters and letting people who need the money spend it.
 

lt94

New Member
Original Poster
News paper responds to Disney tax break

Tue Jan 17 2012 9:41 PM
Once again, Florida companies are coming to taxpayers looking for a handout.

The latest examples are Disney World and International Speedway Corp. — two profitable giants that want tax breaks so big, they need legislators to rewrite Florida law.
If the public would simply surrender millions of dollars, companies promise to bring new buildings and jobs.
Well, maybe "bring" is the wrong word, because the companies are already here.
Yes, the incentives game has gotten so out of control that companies no longer simply ask for handouts to come to town, they ask for them when they're already here … and have no plans to leave.
Oh, but these are deals that simply wouldn't happen without taxpayer money, they say.
Frankly, I don't buy it.
I just don't think savvy companies like these are planning ventures so questionable — and with profit margins so slim — that the only way they could make them work is by getting tax breaks.
But let's say I do believe them.
Fine, then cut us in on the profits.
Really, it's a basic business principle: Investors reap the profits.
If you guys want the public to invest in your private business ventures, then you'd better be ready to share the spoils.
And what spoils they are. Disney posted record profits of $4.8 billion last year.
And you're telling me that Mickey needs the public's help to build … a bowling alley?
Yes, Disney wants tax breaks and incentives to build a 100-lane bowling complex.
That seems fair. After all, all of the other bowling alleys in Central Florida got tax breaks.
Oh wait, no they didn't … which is one of the many problems with corporate welfare.
Politicians play favorites, giving subsidies to some business — often the biggest campaign contributors — and not to others.
Still, Disney argues this bowling stadium would help "diversify" our economy.
That claim made me wonder whether Disney spokesfolk sprinkle fairy dust — or snort it?
When people talk about the need to diversify our economy, they mean bringing high-wage jobs to our low-wage mecca — not building 100-lane bowling complex in a city that already has one with 80 lanes. (That'd be Boardwalk Bowl out on East Colonial.)
The specifics for these bills are still being worked out. But, as the Sentinel's Jason Garcia explained, Disney and NASCAR's France family have talked about wanting breaks for everything from corporate-income taxes to sales tax on building materials.
Other profitable companies — Mosaic mining and Florida Power and Light's parent company — have also sought public money to help them with projects they already had planned.
Sure, the supposedly laissez-faire Republicans who run Florida constantly whine about how government should leave business alone. But they're plenty willing to mix public and private business when they're giving away your money to their campaign donors.
And before anyone starts griping about how these incentives are "only" tax breaks, rather than upfront cash, let's be clear about something: Paying taxes is part of living in civilized society.
Taxes aren't some charitable contribution. They pay for everything from the roads, which help customers reach these businesses, to the schools that educate their employees.
And companies all over Orlando and America — small and large — pay them without asking lawmakers to change the rules.

So any corporation that wants special favors from taxpayers should be willing to return those favors financially when the profits come rolling in.
 

Monty

Brilliant...and Canadian
In the Parks
No
Is than an article or editorial? And what is the link?

By the look [and horrid writing style], I'd say it's a letter to the editor.

Another person who doesn't understand the net benefit of tax breaks that beget better tax income.
 

wm49rs

A naughty bit o' crumpet
Premium Member
By the look [and horrid writing style], I'd say it's a letter to the editor.

Another person who doesn't understand the net benefit of tax breaks that beget better tax income.

That would explain why there's no link to the "writing".....
 

lt94

New Member
Original Poster
http://mobile.orlandosentinel.com/p.p?m=b&a=rp&id=1503351&postId=1503351&postUserId=41&sessionToken=&catId=6779&curAbsIndex=4&resultsUrl=DID%3D6%26DFCL%3D1000%26DSB%3Drank%2523desc%26DBFQ%3DuserId%253A41%26DL.w%3D%26DL.d%3D10%26DQ%3DsectionId%253A6779%26DPS%3D0%26DPL%3D10

Buisness section
sorry for the paste I do most from phone or ipad
and at airport wifi
 

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