News Disney Confirms Muppets Take Over Rock 'n' Roller Coaster at Hollywood Studios

[AidenRodriguez731]

If I had it my way (which I don't) but a little armchair imagineering.

I would implement a playground in the grassy area of Monsters Inc & rebuild a new Muppet Courtard where Rock N Rollercoaster is + Include Sunset Showcase for Muppet Vision. Could even retheme to "Muppet Studios". Add in a covered playground or even better a splash pad over there.

If we were REALLY stretching the muppets out and had a ton of money left over... a self-aware meta Muppet Great Movie Ride would be HILARIOUS to me. A plot about the Muppets wanting to "stay relevant at Disney" and not wanting to be kicked out so they try to retain relevancy by remaking a bunch of Disney properties (feature Star Wars, Aliens, various Disney movie scenes, etc in the usual Muppet spoof way. Would HS jump up quite a bit for me, add capacity especially with 2 new attractions for the littles with a splash pad and playground???) and give it more thematic consistency (with larger "immersive" lands being the connection point)

Is the Muppets realistically still popular enough for all of this? Prob not. But if they could ever get a resurrgence...

 

[Brer Panther]

Not sure how you want to define "nowadays" but three come to mind

Well, let's say post-2018, that's the time period I had in mind. Your examples were all before 2018.

A plot about the Muppets wanting to "stay relevant at Disney" and not wanting to be kicked out so they try to retain relevancy by remaking a bunch of Disney properties (feature Star Wars, Aliens, various Disney movie scenes, etc in the usual Muppet spoof way.

That would be great.

 

[LSLS]

It’s reducing the attractions without a height requirement by 1. If there was a clear announcement for a replacement 3d type show then I see what you’re saying. All the other Disney parks have more to offer that is universally acceptable. Hollywood Studios has always ranked last, then AK, and Epcot and Mk are awesome about variety of attractions. Personally we already find HS frustrating for the amount of rides we RS. Muppets was an attraction we could enjoy with everyone. So it’s not a problem with RnRC existing, it’s giving a property that was accessible to everyone over to a ride system that isn’t. I’m also generally kind of bored with every ride being a coaster. If Monster land had a dark ride, theater show, and the coaster or just the first two, I’d see this as a win.

So then, you see it as a win, because Monsters has a theater planned. Honestly, I was in your boat until I saw they were doing a theater too. Full disclosure the articles I had seen did not mention the theater, so I'm assuming you are in the same spot I was. Now, it feels like it was a throw in for this very reason, but it was thrown in, so assuming it goes through, I don't see any way that can be your complaint here. Now, I have complaints about us just being net 1 attraction up in a park that has been stagnate in attraction numbers for like 1.5 decades (and I still don't like losing muppets when there are empty dead ends of the park), but it's still a net gain. Nothing was lost in terms of types of attractions.

 

[LSLS]

If I had it my way (which I don't) but a little armchair imagineering.

I would implement a playground in the grassy area of Monsters Inc & rebuild a new Muppet Courtard where Rock N Rollercoaster is + Include Sunset Showcase for Muppet Vision. Could even retheme to "Muppet Studios". Add in a covered playground or even better a splash pad over there.

If we were REALLY stretching the muppets out and had a ton of money left over... a self-aware meta Muppet Great Movie Ride would be HILARIOUS to me. A plot about the Muppets wanting to "stay relevant at Disney" and not wanting to be kicked out so they try to retain relevancy by remaking a bunch of Disney properties (feature Star Wars, Aliens, various Disney movie scenes, etc in the usual Muppet spoof way. Would HS jump up quite a bit for me, add capacity especially with 2 new attractions for the littles with a splash pad and playground???) and give it more thematic consistency (with larger "immersive" lands being the connection point)

Is the Muppets realistically still popular enough for all of this? Prob not. But if they could ever get a resurrgence...

I think this MAY be where Disney misses the boat a bit. You ask if they are popular enough. I'd reverse the question. Could you build an area popular enough for the Muppets to become popular again? I could be way off, but I don't think IP will make that large an impact if the rides and land are done really well. For example, if GotG was themed with Wall-E, do you think it's any less popular? Obviously I'm not saying EVERYTHING should think like that, but I think doing something like this to give Muppets a boost would be a brilliant thing.

 

[celluloid]

So then, you see it as a win, because Monsters has a theater planned. Honestly, I was in your boat until I saw they were doing a theater too. Full disclosure the articles I had seen did not mention the theater, so I'm assuming you are in the same spot I was. Now, it feels like it was a throw in for this very reason, but it was thrown in, so assuming it goes through, I don't see any way that can be your complaint here. Now, I have complaints about us just being net 1 attraction up in a park that has been stagnate in attraction numbers for like 1.5 decades (and I still don't like losing muppets when there are empty dead ends of the park), but it's still a net gain. Nothing was lost in terms of types of attractions.

A lot going on here.

If Tower of Terror was replaced by a lesser drop ride experience, to fit a new kids coaster next to it, and Fantasmic replaced by a pyroless drone show to sit and watch, would you say it is a net gain?

A lot of focus on a number vs trust in what Disney is known for these days.

 

[Lilofan]

Whatever happens I beg of you Disney to please put mama melrose next to muppets rock n roller coaster, that restaurant is so good!!

You need GPS to find Mama Melrose. It’s in a back alley of a back alley but we enjoyed the food.

 

[LSLS]

A lot going on here.

If Tower of Terror was replaced by a lesser drop ride experience, to fit a new kids coaster next to it, and Fantasmic replaced by a pyroless drone show to sit and watch, would you say it is a net gain?

A lot of focus on a number vs trust in what Disney is known for these days.

You are making a big leap comparing the story of getting in a limo to an Aerosmith concert to ToT, especially if the general theme of taking a limo to get to a concert stays the same with more humor is added in. BUT, the quality levels were never the question here. I originally responded to the person saying that everyone should be mad because they were losing a kid attraction in the park. The point is, they are not (hence I said net gain. Not a net gain in quality as I won't determine that without seeing a ton more, just a net gain in attraction counts). I never discussed the quality (though FYI, I again struggle, even as a "Disney Hater" to really think the Aerosmith change is that bad IN THEORY), I was simply responding to the idea that we are down an attraction for kids.

Do I think Monsters stage show will be as good as Muppets? I doubt it. Though again, it's just hilarious anyone would say either way without even having concept art yet. The fact is, I understand why they would want to replace Muppets as it's not a draw. Now, I'm still upset about it because while I can see the argument that it's time, it shouldn't be the first step. THIS should be Phase 2 in the park, not AC. Please note I'm not defending that MV3D is going away, or that this is a great thing for the park (how amazing would it be if we were just adding another stage show and coaster without losing a stage show). But, we are not losing a kids attraction, it's a wash at this point. And I actually think Muppets taking over Aerosmith could be a really good way to use Muppets.

 

[ToTBellHop]

You need GPS to find Mama Melrose. It’s in a back alley of a back alley but we enjoyed the food.

Thankfully, there are like 4 sit down Italian restaurants within a 20-minute walk.

 

[celluloid]

You are making a big leap comparing the story of getting in a limo to an Aerosmith concert to ToT, especially if the general theme of taking a limo to get to a concert stays the same with more humor is added in. BUT, the quality levels were never the question here. I originally responded to the person saying that everyone should be mad because they were losing a kid attraction in the park. The point is, they are not (hence I said net gain. Not a net gain in quality as I won't determine that without seeing a ton more, just a net gain in attraction counts). I never discussed the quality (though FYI, I again struggle, even as a "Disney Hater" to really think the Aerosmith change is that bad IN THEORY), I was simply responding to the idea that we are down an attraction for kids.

Do I think Monsters stage show will be as good as Muppets? I doubt it. Though again, it's just hilarious anyone would say either way without even having concept art yet. The fact is, I understand why they would want to replace Muppets as it's not a draw. Now, I'm still upset about it because while I can see the argument that it's time, it shouldn't be the first step. THIS should be Phase 2 in the park, not AC. Please note I'm not defending that MV3D is going away, or that this is a great thing for the park (how amazing would it be if we were just adding another stage show and coaster without losing a stage show). But, we are not losing a kids attraction, it's a wash at this point. And I actually think Muppets taking over Aerosmith could be a really good way to use Muppets.

No big leap. Lpokong at the entire picture for the health of the park. I am speaking directly to the fact we are not net gaining anything that has any need for anything else to go away.

A company does not invest millions wisely for a wash, and that is the best look we can give it? Which even then is not a guarantee.
You point out yourself it is a logical Fallacy. We could habe areosmith replaced AND keep Muppet Vision.

This is not even mentioning the downtime of a contiously operating based attraction over on Grand Avenue to whatever may go in that theater after a long closure.

A wash is also not equal to a net gain.

 

[LSLS]

No big leap. Lpokong at the e tire picture for the health of the park. I am speaking directly to the fact we are not net gaining anything that has any need for anything else to go away.

A company does not invest millions wisely for a wash, and that is the best look we can give it? Which even then is not a guarantee.
You point out yourself it is a logical Fallacy. We could habe areosmith replaced AND keep Muppet Vision.

This is not even mentioning the downtime of a contiously operating based attraction over on Grand Avenue to whatever may go in that theater after a long closure.

A wash is also not equal to a net gain.

But that's not the arugment I've made. I'm not trying to say we need things to go away to make gains. I agree we don't. But the original comment was that we are losing a theater for kids to go to just to put in a roller coaster. As of the announcement of Muppets into RnRc, we are not losing a show. You want to argue with me about quality/etc./will it happen, you are picking the wrong person, we agree a lot of the time on that stuff. In fact, you can go back in this thread and see where I put a GIANT asterisk as to if it is done correctly. The only thing I would say is I'm not leaping to how much worse it will be (I'm specifically talking the show replacing MV3D here) til we at least get some idea of what is going there.

And I'm failing to see the logical fallacy. My argument has never been this is the best idea, or that it's great that MV3D is going away, and how amazing everything is (outside of I will continue to say IF DONE CORRECTLY, Muppets makes a lot of sense in place of Aerosmith to me). My entire argument is that we are gaining an attraction. I feel like you are reading into me saying "Net positive" as a great gain, when the context is supposed to be a "Net positive in number of attractions." I'm not arguing quality, I'm saying quantity, it is a gain of 1 attraction in the park. It could be more (it should be more), but it is a GAIN of an attraction. It's not a wash in that context, it is a gain. I'm nowhere close to saying it's an improvement til I know a ton more on what they are going to do, but we are going from one coaster and one stage show to 2 coasters and 1 stage show. The bottom line of everything here, we are not losing a show for a coaster, we are replacing a show kids can go to (again, not saying better or worse) and adding a coaster.

 

[flynnibus]

I have been banging the “Add Muppets to RnRC” drum for years, so I’m very excited for that. That being said, I hate that it is coming at the expense of MuppetVision. There is no good reason why Disney can’t move that to Sunset Showcase. You are the biggest entertainment company in the world, you can afford to keep Jim Henson’s last work around.

I think you have it backwards... Muppets in RnRC is likely them 'saving some Muppets' because MV3D is going away... not the otherway around.

 

[flynnibus]

now if the muppets could take over the laugh factory and mix in Muppets, space, and laughter...

 

[The Leader of the Club]

now if the muppets could take over the laugh factory and mix in Muppets, space, and laughter...

PIIIIIIIIIGS IN SPAAAAAAAACE

 

[flynnibus]

Throwback... "Muppets to the Moon"

bookmark it!

 

[monothingie]

now if the muppets could take over the laugh factory and mix in Muppets, space, and laughter...

My two very credible sources tell me that the muppets are not funny.

 

[President Loki]

I hope they change the Rock n' Roller Coaster Courtyard into a new Muppets area. With the Lightning Mc Queen Racing Academy being changed to Muppet Vision, new resutrants and dining locations. Swedish Chef Cooking Show and Beaker and Honeydew's Bar. Hopefully a new version of the Great Muppet Movie Ride.

 

[JohnD]

Well, let's say post-2018, that's the time period I had in mind. Your examples were all before 2018.

Other than SSE which would be anytime after 1982 to utilize an AA from HOP, are there any BEFORE the 2013-2018 time period (7DMT opened in 2013 and Three Caballeros AAs are recent additions). And don't say Splash. That was in DL. You make it sound like it was something frequent. I'd say its the opposite.

 

[The Leader of the Club]

Other than SSE which would be anytime after 1982 to utilize an AA from HOP, are there any BEFORE the 2013-2018 time period (7DMT opened in 2013 and Three Caballeros AAs are recent additions). And don't say Splash. That was in DL. You make it sound like it was something frequent. I'd say its the opposite.

-Props from Horizons were in the queue of Backlot Tour as well Backlot Express at DHS
-the Dream Machine from Imagination was repurposed in MouseGear

 

[celluloid]

Other than SSE which would be anytime after 1982 to utilize an AA from HOP, are there any BEFORE the 2013-2018 time period (7DMT opened in 2013 and Three Caballeros AAs are recent additions). And don't say Splash. That was in DL. You make it sound like it was something frequent. I'd say its the opposite.

Yes, but not for replacement as much as minor enhancements to add to what was.alresdy there. World of Motion had figures go to Pirates, Big Thunder and Goofy's Barnstormer

 

[Epcot82Guy]

The more I've thought about this - the more I'm realizing the big problem with current Disney is the destruction of nostalgia. Killing off a nostalgic show and trying to replace another attraction with nostalgia as some sort of bone to throw demonstrates how a company that peddles nostalgia is actually pretty bad at it currently. (See all the live actions...)

With that, I don't think the IDEA here is bad. For RnRC, it actually could easily be a less is more scenario. If you "muppefied" the current G-Force Records and story-line, it actually works quite well.
-Queue is full of Muppet versions of famous band posters/logos.
-Add some exterior queue elements with lots of Muppet music gags.
-Have the main story be exactly the same, albeit with Electric Mayhem.
-Miss Piggy is a shoe in to replace the current agent (if not better).
-You still need a super-stretch to get across town. That's very Muppets.
-You go through a cartoony version of NY or LA. Again, Muppets works great here.
-Even throw in an Aerosmith song or two as one covered as an Easter Egg.

This doesn't need a convoluted story like Cosmic Rewind to work.

And, if they REALLY wanted to do this correctly...
-Phase 2 is MuppetVision returns to Sunset, anchoring the new Muppets Court.
-The Villains Show kicks Launch Bay to the curb and becomes a longer-term anchor for Animation Courtyard, while we wait for the main redo here and Villainsland.

I know this is all armchair Imagineering. And I'm not saying it's a slam dun. Rather, there are ways to appeal to a much broader fan base if they want to. And, not at the detriment of the core crowd they want. They are playing a very narrow audience game here, and I'm not sure why. The crowd they want is quite fickle.