brideck
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That was probably the biggest upset of the night for me. [It's also when I became certain that Anora was going to win Best Picture.] I was fully expecting Jesse Eisenberg to take this one for A Real Pain.
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That was probably the biggest upset of the night for me. [It's also when I became certain that Anora was going to win Best Picture.] I was fully expecting Jesse Eisenberg to take this one for A Real Pain.
brideck
Well-Known Member
That's right. Only appreciated by millions of people instead of... well... millions. Totally irrelevant.
I think any celebrity at the top of their respective field probably feels absolutely fine about their individual relevancy, assuming that's even a thing that they want or need. If you listen to any of them speak, the vast majority seem to just want to do creative and rewarding work and be able to make a living from it.
Chi84
Premium Member
You’re obsessing about them so . . .
Animaniac93-98
Well-Known Member
Does this include the people who watched it on Hulu (until they couldn't)?
Farerb
Well-Known Member
Making a mild comment is obsessing apparently.
TalkingHead
Well-Known Member
Apparently does. So if it had been ABC only, even lower seems likely.
Farerb
Well-Known Member
Based on recent box office gross, people don't tend to go to movies because of who stars in them, they are no longer a draw, they go because of the content.
There have been many articles on this matter:
Twilight of the A-list: has the 21st century killed off the movie star?
Brad Pitt’s new film is fizzling out. Meryl Streep is doing TV. Only Tom Cruise fills cinemas – and, in the age of superheroes and streaming, his days may be numbered. So, what does the future hold for Hollywood’s big beasts?
www.theguardian.com
Why Are There No Movie Stars Anymore?
We're in a bit of a draught when it comes to bankable names.
nofilmschool.com
Hollywood Has No More Movie Stars, Says Jennifer Aniston
Aniston got her start on Friends.
screenrant.com
Why A-List Movie Stars are on the Verge of Extinction
We break down the main reasons why there are less and less A-list movie stars in modern Hollywood, and if they can make a comeback.
discussingfilm.net
Chi84
Premium Member
What’s the difference?Based on recent box office gross, people don't tend to go to movies because of who stars in them, they are no longer a draw, they go because of the content.
There have been many articles on this matter:
Twilight of the A-list: has the 21st century killed off the movie star?
Brad Pitt’s new film is fizzling out. Meryl Streep is doing TV. Only Tom Cruise fills cinemas – and, in the age of superheroes and streaming, his days may be numbered. So, what does the future hold for Hollywood’s big beasts?
Why Are There No Movie Stars Anymore?
We're in a bit of a draught when it comes to bankable names.
Hollywood Has No More Movie Stars, Says Jennifer Aniston
Aniston got her start on Friends.
Why A-List Movie Stars are on the Verge of Extinction
We break down the main reasons why there are less and less A-list movie stars in modern Hollywood, and if they can make a comeback.
brideck
Well-Known Member
Based on recent box office gross, people don't tend to go to the movies.
For those who actually do go with some regularity, I would imagine that there are still names that get them to come out. I know there are for me.
But for the masses? No. The draws are the franchises. Not the people or even the particular stories. The only possible exceptions that I see are action stars like The Rock or Jason Statham, and even they can't get movies to break $100m without their being part of a franchise.
TP2000
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Adults in the demo of 18-49 at 3.92? The Oscars have been skewing older for years now. The context here in 2025 is that this isn't a huge gain, but merely a small gain in a very older overall demographic.
In March, 1998, when Titanic pulled in a lot of young women viewers, that year's Oscars telecast had a 18-49 rating of 24.90.
So that means that 2025's Oscars telecast of 3.92 in the same demo got only 16% of the young demographic that 1998's Oscars telecast got.
Which aligns with the fact that 2025's Oscars telecast had about 31% of the viewers as the 1998 Oscars telecast. Meanwhile, the population of America has grown since 1998 by 66 Million people, or by 23%. But the viewership declined by nearly 70%.
I wonder how much money ABC (Disney) paid to get the Academy Awards broadcast rights for crashing ratings?
TP2000
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For those wondering why there's no new parade, and no new show in the Hyperion, and empty buildings in all six American theme parks....
ABC apparently pays about $100 Million per year on their current 8 year contract to broadcast the Oscars. That contract expires in 2028 and ABC has recently declined to bid for a new contract past '28, which tells me that whichever network ends up with the new Oscars contract (Is the CW still around? Maybe Hallmark? Dumont is long gone, but what about Bravo?) they are going to be paying a lot less than $100 Million per year.
ABC's decision to not bid again exclusively on the Oscars contract came before this year's viewership declined to 18 Million.
deadline.com
ABC apparently pays about $100 Million per year on their current 8 year contract to broadcast the Oscars. That contract expires in 2028 and ABC has recently declined to bid for a new contract past '28, which tells me that whichever network ends up with the new Oscars contract (Is the CW still around? Maybe Hallmark? Dumont is long gone, but what about Bravo?) they are going to be paying a lot less than $100 Million per year.
ABC's decision to not bid again exclusively on the Oscars contract came before this year's viewership declined to 18 Million.
Oscars Exploring New TV Home After ABC’s Exclusive Negotiating Window Ends
Deadline has confirmed with sources that the Academy's exclusive negotiating window with the Oscars' longtime broadcaster, ABC, has lapsed.
deadline.com
Disney Irish
Premium Member
You missed the whole point (or ignored it) as usual. The drops that are happening as coming from the over 50 crowd, and I suspect it’s largely in your generation (over 60) that dropped the most.Adults in the demo of 18-49 at 3.92? The Oscars have been skewing older for years now. The context here in 2025 is that this isn't a huge gain, but merely a small gain in a very older overall demographic.
In March, 1998, when Titanic pulled in a lot of young women viewers, that year's Oscars telecast had a 18-49 rating of 24.90.
So that means that 2025's Oscars telecast of 3.92 in the same demo got only 16% of the young demographic that 1998's Oscars telecast got.
Which aligns with the fact that 2025's Oscars telecast had about 31% of the viewers as the 1998 Oscars telecast. Meanwhile, the population of America has grown since 1998 by 66 Million people, or by 23%. But the viewership declined by nearly 70%.
I wonder how much money ABC (Disney) paid to get the Academy Awards broadcast rights for crashing ratings?
And while the gains in the younger crowd are small compared to the 1990s, or whatever other year you want to use, there are gains. And that is what the producers are going to look at as they make tweaks for next years show. As they look to see what the younger generations care about.
Well the next 3 years are set at least, it’ll continue to be on ABC and Hulu until 2028.For those wondering why there's no new parade, and no new show in the Hyperion, and empty buildings in all six American theme parks....
ABC apparently pays about $100 Million per year on their current 8 year contract to broadcast the Oscars. That contract expires in 2028 and ABC has recently declined to bid for a new contract past '28, which tells me that whichever network ends up with the new Oscars contract (Is the CW still around? Maybe Hallmark? Dumont is long gone, but what about Bravo?) they are going to be paying a lot less than $100 Million per year.
ABC's decision to not bid again exclusively on the Oscars contract came before this year's viewership declined to 18 Million.
Oscars Exploring New TV Home After ABC’s Exclusive Negotiating Window Ends
Deadline has confirmed with sources that the Academy's exclusive negotiating window with the Oscars' longtime broadcaster, ABC, has lapsed.
BrianLo
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As has been mentioned, the issue is more that they don’t make these middle ground films. A lot of that mass market prestige general entertainment rotated to the TV space.
I love wicked the musical. I was beyond impressed with how well they translated it to screen. In no iteration of the Oscar’s is Wicked a best picture winner. It’s not even a best musical Tony winner. Frankly it was lucky the nomination pool was 10.
BrianLo
Well-Known Member
As a follow up, my concerns were actually taken fairly seriously by Forbes editorial. You’ll notice someone hasn’t had articles in a few weeks.
I guess this forum matters a little, thanks for people who had to listen to my conspiracy cycle and acted directly or indirectly as a sounding board until I figured out what was going on.
I guess this forum matters a little, thanks for people who had to listen to my conspiracy cycle and acted directly or indirectly as a sounding board until I figured out what was going on.