"Digital Fastpass" coming to DLR next month

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GiveMeTheMusic

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Darkbeer1

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Potential problems.

Not everyone has a SmartPhone.

Not all SmartPhones will connect to a 4G type of Network, especially Foreign Tourists.

Unlike WDW, Disneyland and DCA do not offer free WiFi to guests inside the parks.

If Disney did opt for free WiFi, with all the locals, how much access points do they need??? I presume the system would be overloaded quite a bit.

And then when the full system is up and running, I do see the Three Disney owned Hotels get special perks, such as long times in reserving in advance, and maybe more FP to be held at one time.

Do they offer a perk to those tourist buying a three day or longer parkhopper like they currently do with Magic Mornings?

Do you offer a perk to purchasers of more expensive AP's, or make an add-on available for purchase for an enhanced FP experience?

Tjis will be interesting to see, but I doubt they will get it right the first time.
 

SSG

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This maybe ties in with a permit taken out by Disney last month to install "fastpass tap points" for Star Tours.

Permit Number: BLD2016-04311 Status: Issued Map Info: 1313 S HARBOR BLVD 8201 (Star Tours)
Name:
WALT DISNEY WORLD CO
Address: 1313 S HARBOR 8201
Received Date: 09/07/2016
Parcel: 08219019
Plan Check Date:
Issue Date: 09/30/2016
Expiration Date: 09/30/2017
Finaled Date:
Description: Disneyland - Tomorrowland - Star Tours II - Fastpass Entrance - Tenant Improvement: 200 sq.ft demo part of non-load bearing partition wall to create entrance opening, new sliding glass door. Demo concrete slab to install new counduit. Install stainless steel angle supports for future marquee sign. Modify existing guardrails to install (2) new fastpass tap points.
 

GiveMeTheMusic

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Potential problems.

Not everyone has a SmartPhone.

Not all SmartPhones will connect to a 4G type of Network, especially Foreign Tourists.

Unlike WDW, Disneyland and DCA do not offer free WiFi to guests inside the parks.

If Disney did opt for free WiFi, with all the locals, how much access points do they need??? I presume the system would be overloaded quite a bit.

And then when the full system is up and running, I do see the Three Disney owned Hotels get special perks, such as long times in reserving in advance, and maybe more FP to be held at one time.

Do they offer a perk to those tourist buying a three day or longer parkhopper like they currently do with Magic Mornings?

Do you offer a perk to purchasers of more expensive AP's, or make an add-on available for purchase for an enhanced FP experience?

Tjis will be interesting to see, but I doubt they will get it right the first time.

Paper FPs aren't going away at DLR, at least not for the foreseeable future. Digital will be an option, but not the only way to get an FP.
 
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Deleted member 107043

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A hybrid digital/paper FP system has been on the way for some time, and got delayed from its original June 2016 target date. It will be totally different than WDW's FP+ system, and there are no plans to port over the rest of MyMagic+.

Bummer.
 

TP2000

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Back in 2001 and 2002 they had a lot more Fastpass options at a lot more rides; Pirates, Small World, Pooh, etc. And it was a disaster that gridlocked the walkways on busy days. In 2003 they had to remove a bunch of Fastpass options because of that over-crowding and over-taxed walkways. That was 15 years ago when crowds were much lower and DCA was a failure with tiny demand.

How the heck are they going to manage the walkways and park infrastructure that is already taxed beyond design when they add all these new Fastpass options and dump even more people out of the queues???
 

Mawg

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Back in 2001 and 2002 they had a lot more Fastpass options at a lot more rides; Pirates, Small World, Pooh, etc. And it was a disaster that gridlocked the walkways on busy days. In 2003 they had to remove a bunch of Fastpass options because of that over-crowding and over-taxed walkways. That was 15 years ago when crowds were much lower and DCA was a failure with tiny demand.

How the heck are they going to manage the walkways and park infrastructure that is already taxed beyond design when they add all these new Fastpass options and dump even more people out of the queues???
Same Fast Pass allocation, queue length will not be affected. The only difference will be that there will be no need to have a "Runner" any more and there will be less back tracking around the park.
 

FerretAfros

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Back in 2001 and 2002 they had a lot more Fastpass options at a lot more rides; Pirates, Small World, Pooh, etc. And it was a disaster that gridlocked the walkways on busy days. In 2003 they had to remove a bunch of Fastpass options because of that over-crowding and over-taxed walkways. That was 15 years ago when crowds were much lower and DCA was a failure with tiny demand.

How the heck are they going to manage the walkways and park infrastructure that is already taxed beyond design when they add all these new Fastpass options and dump even more people out of the queues???
Crowding has certainly become an issue in WDW, despite their larger walkways. It's particularly troublesome near the FP returns, which tend to get backed up. Unlike DL's existing system where a group can hand their stack of FPs to a CM who glances at the time and accepts them, each person has to scan their FP individually. This process can take a few seconds per person (I'm sure it will be even slower when dealing with barcodes and a wide range of devices), causing dozens of people to spill out into the walkways. Given how cramped DLR already is, especially in places like Fantasyland where there's just no space for an additional return queue, I'm fascinated to see how this will work out.

It's also completely rearranged how people move through the parks, and which areas are the busiest. I'm sure there are ways to tweak this based on FP allocations and return times, but there are so few places in DL to wait 5-10 minutes for your time to come up that I'm sure there will be new bottlenecks that never existed before

Overall I actually think the MM+ system is pretty helpful (though most WDW parks don't have enough attractions to justify it), but I can't wait to see all the hand wringing by the APs who are terrified of any change, especially one that comes from the dreaded east coast!
 
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The only difference will be that there will be no need to have a "Runner" any more and there will be less back tracking around the park.

Which was my biggest issue about FP.

Overall I actually think the MM+ system is pretty helpful (though most WDW parks don't have enough attractions to justify it), but I can't wait to see all the hand wringing by the APs who are terrified of any change, especially one that comes from the dreaded east coast!

Grumpy locals and their knee-jerk negative reactions about "Disney destroying Walt's legacy" are going to be unavoidable no matter what they do. As someone who visits the resort as a tourist anything they can offer to streamline the experience would be welcomed by me.
 

vancee

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why dont they just bring in magic bands? it makes everything easier and lines WAY quicker (ex. front entrance line would probably almost have no wait with magic bands)
 
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Deleted member 107043

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why dont they just bring in magic bands? it makes everything easier and lines WAY quicker (ex. front entrance line would probably almost have no wait with magic bands)

There was an article somewhere, and I may try to find it, where Iger stated that the next iteration of MM+ would be applied via mobile devices rather than wristbands. Not sure what the reasoning was though. My guess is that mobile apps allow for more interactivity and social networking (ie: push messaging) than the current Magic Bands do.
 

GiveMeTheMusic

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why dont they just bring in magic bands? it makes everything easier and lines WAY quicker (ex. front entrance line would probably almost have no wait with magic bands)

Because MagicBands are giant moneysuck for the company and aren't really useful at a resort where the majority of guests aren't staying on property and won't get one.
 

GiveMeTheMusic

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Same Fast Pass allocation, queue length will not be affected. The only difference will be that there will be no need to have a "Runner" any more and there will be less back tracking around the park.

Part of this plan is to add FP to a number of attractions that don't currently offer it - like TSMM, Pirates, Matterhorn, etc.

It will likely be a crowding disaster, just as it was in the past.
 

HauntedMansionFLA

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Crowding has certainly become an issue in WDW, despite their larger walkways. It's particularly troublesome near the FP returns, which tend to get backed up. Unlike DL's existing system where a group can hand their stack of FPs to a CM who glances at the time and accepts them, each person has to scan their FP individually. This process can take a few seconds per person (I'm sure it will be even slower when dealing with barcodes and a wide range of devices), causing dozens of people to spill out into the walkways. Given how cramped DLR already is, especially in places like Fantasyland where there's just no space for an additional return queue, I'm fascinated to see how this will work out.

It's also completely rearranged how people move through the parks, and which areas are the busiest. I'm sure there are ways to tweak this based on FP allocations and return times, but there are so few places in DL to wait 5-10 minutes for your time to come up that I'm sure there will be new bottlenecks that never existed before

Overall I actually think the MM+ system is pretty helpful (though most WDW parks don't have enough attractions to justify it), but I can't wait to see all the hand wringing by the APs who are terrified of any change, especially one that comes from the dreaded east coast!
With all of those attractions at DLR and DCA, MM+ would be a perfect fit.
 

Darkbeer1

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Why would locals be heavier users of wifi?

Well, it has been the excuse that Disney has stated as to why they don't install WiFi in the parks in California. That it would create more folks not in queues, just waiting for Fantasmic!/Parades/Fireworks and similar stuff. Since most of them are AP holders, they are willing to take their time and just hang out with friends.
 

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