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Slipknot

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If that is true, the same should be done for ALL trees on property. I don't know about anyone else, but seeing trees tipped and totally on their sides on my way to Epcot from MK on the monorail is shoddy work.
 

marni1971

Park History nut
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That was certainly true of the Magic Kingdom in the early days but I doubt the tree farm has enough room now! Speaking of trees, the ones outside The American Adventure were moved from Hotel Plaza Blvd. in 1968 before ground clearing started - they went to the original farm first, then EPCOT Center.
 

DisneyRoxMySox

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Static-X said:
If that is true, the same should be done for ALL trees on property. I don't know about anyone else, but seeing trees tipped and totally on their sides on my way to Epcot from MK on the monorail is shoddy work.


There would definetly be no room to have three replacement trees for every tree on property! Especially those. They want to have back-up trees for the ones guests will notice more, like park & resorts, not along roads. I think that's asking a little too much.
 

GymLeaderPhil

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Static-X said:
If that is true, the same should be done for ALL trees on property. I don't know about anyone else, but seeing trees tipped and totally on their sides on my way to Epcot from MK on the monorail is shoddy work.

Or maybe just the effects of three hurricanes last fall? :brick:

The topic creator was talking about trees inside guest areas, not all of the property.
 

Slipknot

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GymLeaderPhil said:
Or maybe just the effects of three hurricanes last fall? :brick:

The topic creator was talking about trees inside guest areas, not all of the property.

I was talking about the hurricanes... They haven't done a thing to the ones outside of the parks...

And I was just suggesting that they should do it on the rest of the property. At least the trees visible to drivers.
 

raven

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This is true. Some of the trees aren't even planted. They are secured in a concrete pit in the ground (still in their pots) then covered with dirt or woodchips. This way if something were to happen to them they can be easily replaced overnight. It's all a part of making sure that they put on the best "show" at all times. :wave:
 

fillerup

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Static-X said:
If that is true, the same should be done for ALL trees on property. I don't know about anyone else, but seeing trees tipped and totally on their sides on my way to Epcot from MK on the monorail is shoddy work.

You're kidding, right?

Disney should expend huge resources to remove hurricane downed trees to avoid offending the sensibilities of a monorail passenger who wants every square inch of 27,000 acres to be perfect?

FYI - Many of these areas may well be protected wetlands, and removing the trees would require special permission from governmental agencies.

Take a drive around Florida, we lost hundreds of thousands of trees, most of them *GASP* still lying on their sides.

Sheesh.....
 

Captain Hank

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fillerup said:
You're kidding, right?

Disney should expend huge resources to remove hurricane downed trees to avoid offending the sensibilities of a monorail passenger who wants every square inch of 27,000 acres to be perfect?

FYI - Many of these areas may well be protected wetlands, and removing the trees would require special permission from governmental agencies.

Take a drive around Florida, we lost hundreds of thousands of trees, most of them *GASP* still lying on their sides.

Sheesh.....
Disney is known for holding itself to an extreemely high standard of cleanliness and "show" integrity. Fallen trees go against that standard, therefore, some efforts should be made to clean them up in the near future. I understand that 47 square miles of fallen trees is a lot, and it will take a while, but they should make an effort to have all guest areas as orderly as possible. There is a wetlands preserve on property, but to my knowledge there is no guest access to it.
 

monorail_man

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hcwalker16 said:
Disney is known for holding itself to an extreemely high standard of cleanliness and "show" integrity. Fallen trees go against that standard, therefore, some efforts should be made to clean them up in the near future. I understand that 47 square miles of fallen trees is a lot, and it will take a while, but they should make an effort to have all guest areas as orderly as possible. There is a wetlands preserve on property, but to my knowledge there is no guest access to it.


:lol: If Disney tried to keep every grain of sand to perfection. Then the cost of tickes would be over $1000 per park per person.

Lets be realistic. Disney does a great job keeping the park looking as good as it does. Also keeping the NATURAL look is not a bad thing. Nature is not "Perfect" so a few fallen trees keeps things looking good, and who really cares about a few trees that you see for about 3 seconds while riding by on the monorail.
 

MonoRon

Member
but the fallen trees look cool, it makes it look like even more of a swamp...not to mention its giving wildlife a new home and a chance for a new tree to grow...think of the animals. I bet right as we speak a gopher is chillin under that tree thinking "how cool is this, now I can chill inside of this tree and stay cool"
 

Tom

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I'm going to have to side with the people who are NOT offended by fallen trees. The horticulture department only has so many people on staff. I may be wrong, but I predict that their primary focus is on the parks, and the resorts.

When driving around the property, I personally am not expecting to be in a world of fantasy - that's what the parks are for. For crying out loud, they're interstates, and you drive past gas stations and McDonalds and high-rise hotels. Trees can fall down, squirrels can get hit by cars, and buses can run over cars. When you cross the gates into your resort or a park, things change, and you expect perfection.

Anyway, I have also read the trivia bit about the backup trees, but yes, I also agree that it most likely applied when it was just the MK. I'm sure they' probably have at least one replacement for most of the unique trees in the parks, but not necessarily every tree, and definately not 3 of each. Not with 4 parks, all unique. That would be a BIG tree farm! :hammer:
 

Woody13

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Dead and Fallen Trees are valuable to WDW:

hcwalker16 said:
Disney is known for holding itself to an extreemely high standard of cleanliness and "show" integrity. Fallen trees go against that standard, therefore, some efforts should be made to clean them up in the near future. I understand that 47 square miles of fallen trees is a lot, and it will take a while, but they should make an effort to have all guest areas as orderly as possible. There is a wetlands preserve on property, but to my knowledge there is no guest access to it.

http://www.suite101.com/article.cfm/ecology/108843



When a tree dies it goes through several different phases of decay. A standing dead tree is called a snag. Depending on tree species and the soundness of the wood, the snag may be described as hard or soft. As decay progresses, the tree attracts different organisms. Eventually, rotting and falling to the ground, it performs yet other important functions in the ecosystem. Fallen trees in advanced stages of decay are known as nurse trees.



Some of the organisms that benefit include:
  • Insects and other arthropods. Many species, from beetle larvae to carpenter ants, spend all or part of their life cycles living in and feeding on dead wood. Others hibernate or otherwise take shelter under loose bark. While some of these species can pose a threat to commercial forestry, their presence in dead trees attracts insectivores that provide natural control, preventing insect populations from reaching epidemic proportions.
  • Birds. Many bird species are attracted to snags and represent one of the most significant benefits. Besides insectivorous species that forage on dead trees, many birds live in cavities. Primary cavity-dwelling birds are those that excavate their own nests, including woodpeckers and nuthatches. Hard snags are most suitable for this purpose. These nests may subsequently be occupied by secondary cavity-dwellers such as owls, ducks, chickadees, titmice, wrens and swallows. Soft snags provide additional foraging sites.
  • Mammals. Bats take shelter under the loose bark of snags in early stages of decay. They also nest in cavities, as do squirrels, flying squirrels, fishers and martens.
  • Salamanders. Fallen trees in advances stages of decay provide important habitat.
  • Lichen and fungus.
  • Plants. Many species flourish in the nutrient rich soil provided by nurse trees. In fact tree saplings often gain a foothold on life from the remains of previous generations. In West Coast rainforests, where huge nurse trees may persist for centuries, it is a common to see a giant mature tree rooted on the remnants of another that must have fallen before Europeans arrived in North America. Rainforest soils are relatively thin and poor due to the heavy leaching of precipitation. In these conditions, dead trees provide an essential nutrient reservoir.
Falling trees also create openings in the forest, called tree-fall gaps. These allow more light to penetrate to the forest floor, stimulating the growth of young saplings and other vegetation. These sites enhance the diversity of plant species in a forest and attract additional wildlife such as deer and small mammals.
 

Tom

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Woody13 said:
http://www.suite101.com/article.cfm/ecology/108843

When a tree dies it goes through several different phases of decay. A standing dead tree is called a snag. Depending on tree species and the soundness of the wood, the snag may be described as hard or soft. As decay progresses, the tree attracts different organisms. Eventually, rotting and falling to the ground, it performs yet other important functions in the ecosystem. Fallen trees in advanced stages of decay are known as nurse trees.

Good grief - what was all that? Actually, after consulting my personal horticulture advisors, I now realize that you make a good point - but mainly I think you scared anyone else away from this thread :drevil:
 

Tom

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WeaponX said:
That's a bit excessive don't you think?

Are you replying to the original post or what? PS, welcome to the boards. Helpful hint - make sure that when you reply, you quote the post that you're replying to, so that everyone else knows what you're talking about. :)
 

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