News Did I miss a memo? Since when does Disney make "rides" rather than "attractions"?

[Disney Irish]

Also just FYI, Pandora (just the land and show buildings) in DAK is ~320K sqft without the long walkway into the land. The area in the Backlot plus the Transportation Hub (depending on where you put the border) is ~280K sqft.

So Pandora could fit in the Backlot as a majority of Pandora is taken up by the FoP show building, not actual guest walkways.

 

[Disney Irish]

My point is if people have the land concept art, know it’s based on “Way of Water” and have seen concept art for the new ride as well as a description for it then either Disney thinks people are really dumb or perhaps it’s what I said, they don’t want to create unrealistic expectations of what an Avatar LAND entails. People like you and I know that this is probably going in the backlot. Other more causal fans who’s imaginations might be running wild and think DL Forward will be the greatest thing since sliced bread might think this thing is going to be bigger than Galaxies Edge or at least as big as Pandora at AK.

Well as just pointed out by the size, Pandora in DAK could actually fit into the Backlot. So I don't think its going to be as cramped as you think it is. It just won't have that long walk into the land like Pandora.

Also you have to think how the regular person who doesn't follow this stuff thinks. If they see a headline of "Disney is building Avatar Land in DCA", they will think they are just getting the same Pandora from DAK, not a whole new land with new experiences. That is why they didn't call it "Avatar Land" in the description of the new project.

 

[mickEblu]

Well as just pointed out by the size, Pandora in DAK could actually fit into the Backlot. So I don't think its going to be as cramped as you think it is. It just won't have that long walk into the land like Pandora.

Also you have to think how the regular person who doesn't follow this stuff thinks. If they see a headline of "Disney is building Avatar Land in DCA", they will think they are just getting the same Pandora from DAK, not a whole new land with new experiences. That is why they didn't call it "Avatar Land" in the description of the new project.

Ok but take it a step further. They don’t want to confuse people why? What are they worried the people might think? That they flew out there for the floating mountains and FOP that wasn’t in the concept art, description or advertisement? Or that perhaps the LAND isn’t as big and expansive as they imagined?

 

[Disney Irish]

Ok but take it a step further. They don’t want to confuse people why? What are they worried the people might think? That they flew out there for the floating mountains that wasn’t in the concept art or description? Or that perhaps the LAND isn’t as big and expansive as they imagined?

Regular people don't look at concept art like we do. Most people barely even pay attention to Disney Park announcements at all this far in advance of a new experience opening. They read headlines and don't get into the details of what is actually happening. So again if the headline just reads "Disney to build new Avatar Land in Disney California Adventure" (something I've already seen by the way), that just makes it seem like they are building the same thing as DAK.

 

[mickEblu]

Regular people don't look at concept art like we do. Most people barely even pay attention to Disney Park announcements at all this far in advance of a new experience opening. They read headlines and don't get into the details of what is actually happening. So again is the headline just reads "Disney to build new Avatar Land in Disney California Adventure" (something I've already seen by the way), that just makes it seem like they are building the same thing as DAK.

Ok how about an advertisement then? So to get this straight they are calling this Avatar Area or Experience for all the thousands of people in 2029 that are still confused this isnt Pandora East because they have no access to internet or TV, that haven’t seen the concept art, read the descriptions, seen the D23 announcements on the news and missed the advertisements that will be running everywhere by the time trip is near. LOL And yet this same person is incredibly excited for the land and wants to be one of the first ones there?

Now maybe I’m giving Disney too much credit. I foolishly do that often. With that said my reasoning for them referring to it as Experience or Area is much more logical than yours.

 

[Disney Irish]

Ok how about an advertisement then? So to get this straight they are calling this Avatar Area or Experience for all the thousands of people in 2029 that are still confused this isnt Pandora East because they have no access to internet or TV, that haven’t seen the concept art, read the descriptions, seen the D23 announcements on the news and missed the advertisements that will be running everywhere by the time trip is near. LOL

I think you're confusing announcement information with "advertisements". These aren't actual advertisements for the regular folks, these are information announcements about the project for those that follow it closely. And as time goes on and constructions starts the land will have a name announced, and will no longer be referred to by "Avatar Area" or "Avatar Experience". So by 2029, or whenever the land opens, it'll be just called by that name.

 

[mickEblu]

I think you're confusing announcement information with "advertisements". These aren't actual advertisements for the regular folks, these are information announcements about the project for those that follow it closely. And as time goes on and constructions starts the land will have a name announced, and will no longer be referred to by "Avatar Area" or "Avatar Experience". So by 2029, or whenever the land opens, it'll be just called by that name.

Nope. Advertisement as in commercial that will be running before the land opens. Anyway agree to disagree. We both know how this usually goes haha

 

[Disney Irish]

Now maybe I’m giving Disney too much credit. I foolishly do that often. With that said my reasoning for them referring to it as Experience or Area is much more logical than yours.

Because they don't want to give people the idea that is an actual land? That doesn't makes sense, or logical. As no matter what people will still call it a land anyways. And because as I pointed out Pandora from DAK could fit in the Backlot/Transportation Hub anyways with a little reconfiguration.

 

[mickEblu]

Because they don't want to give people the idea that is an actual land? That doesn't makes sense, or logical. As no matter what people will still call it a land anyways. And because as I pointed out Pandora from DAK could fit in the Backlot/Transportation Hub anyways with a little reconfiguration.

Of course it will be a land. Why are you being obtuse? I’ve spelled it out in great detail. Not repeating myself… again.

 

[Disney Irish]

Nope. Advertisement as in commercial that will be running before the land opens. Anyway agree to disagree. We both know how this usually goes haha

By the time there is an actual commercial for the land opening it'll have an official name, so they won't be referring to it as an "Avatar Area" or "Avatar Experience" by that point. It'll be referred to by its name.

 

[mickEblu]

By the time there is an actual commercial for the land opening it'll have an official name, so they won't be referring to it as an "Avatar Area" or "Avatar Experience" by that point. It'll be referred to by its name.

And what the heck does this have to do with anything?

 

[Disney Irish]

Of course it will be a land. Why are you being obtuse? I’ve spelled it out in great detail. Not repeating myself… again.

I'm not being obtuse, I'm being logical. This idea that Disney is not using the word "land" in an announcement because they don't want to give people an impression of a huge space is not logical. As I've pointed out Pandora from DAK can fit in the Backlot/Transportation hub with a bit of reconfiguration, so this idea that its going to be crammed is not logical.

 

[Disney Irish]

And what the heck does this have to do with anything?

Maybe I'm confused by what you said here regarding future ads then -

Ok how about an advertisement then? So to get this straight they are calling this Avatar Area or Experience for all the thousands of people in 2029 that are still confused this isnt Pandora East because they have no access to internet or TV, that haven’t seen the concept art, read the descriptions, seen the D23 announcements on the news and missed the advertisements that will be running everywhere by the time trip is near.

My point was just because they call it "Avatar Area" or "Avatar Experience" now in the project announcements doesn't mean that will be used in the future ads used for the land. I really think you're reading more into this situation than is the reality. By the time construction starts and we get an official name it's likely going to be referred as a land from that point going forward by Disney.

 

[Disney Irish]

I'd just like to point out that on the D23 website Pandora in DAK is referred to as a "themed area", not a land. So them using "Avatar Area" in the D23 announcements is consistent with how things are now phrased by Disney for Avatar -

Pandora —The World of Avatar - D23

Area at Disney’s Animal Kingdom, consisting of two attractions—Na’vi River Journey and Avatar Flight of Passage. Dining at Satu’li Canteen, beverage at Pongu Pongu, and shopping at Windtraders.

d23.com

 

[mickEblu]

Maybe I'm confused by what you said here regarding future ads then -



My point was just because they call it "Avatar Area" or "Avatar Experience" now in the project announcements doesn't mean that will be used in the future ads used for the land. I really think you're reading more into this situation than is the reality. By the time construction starts and we get an official name it's likely going to be referred as a land from that point going forward by Disney.

The point of me bringing up commercial was to bring up yet one more example of how one could see that the land at DCA is different from the land at AK. Whatever they re calling the land at that point in time is irrelevant. Anyway again, agree to disagree. Moving on…

 

[Disney Irish]

The point of me bringing up commercial was to bring up yet one more example of how one could see that the land at DCA is different from the land at AK. Whatever they re calling the land at that point in time is irrelevant. Anyway again, agree to disagree. Moving on…

Yes, but my point is that by that point it'll be clear to the lay person that the two Avatar areas will be different, now not so much unless you do a deep dive. Anyways as you said moving on, but I really think you were reading way more into this than is actually happening.

 

[MarvelCharacterNerd]

Not to interrupt the Avatar argument but I was just interested in a) the difference from the typical nomenclature and b) distinguishing two other things as "rides", while there will be Avengers "attractions". Presume this means they don't classify SFL as a "ride"? Whereas AID, given the vehicle we've already seen images of, indicates a "ride"?

... or the intern in charge of the main DPB page didn't know what they were doing and no one has edited them since?

 

[truecoat]

I've heard they want to bring back an homage to Bountiful Valley Farm.

The new land will be called Avatar Acres and will focus on the farming of the land and sea on Pandora.

CM's will wear futuristic straw hats and have a pandoran "hayseed" to chew on.

 

[CraftyFox]

And for that matter, when did "mazes" become "houses" at Halloween?

I was just wondering this at HHN last year. It has to have been a recent change since many theme park influencers are still referring to them as mazes.