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Raidermatt
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No need to apologize. Even if its 100% false, its not an affront to me.
However, if what pan says is true, if you had any real knowledge about the subjects, you would not post it here.
No, its logical. True, you have no reason to believe he knows more than your cat. However, you also have no reason to believe he doesn't know more than your cat.
Maybe. But we don't really know at what stage any of this maybe at. Again, I have no personal experience with info from within Disney, but I have had it with info from within other companies, and things can get pretty far along before anything "breaks" on the internet. After all, based on your own statements, very few would be willing to tell any about it.
Of course it is. But it happens all the time. Just using Disney as an example, anyone who posts anything labeled as internal could be fired for it, yet it happens quite frequently.
Ah, so you are a regular reader of "his" posts. As such, you know he knows that Dinosaur was a Disney film, and mis-wording a title of a post has nothing to do with his knowledge or lack thereof.
Clearly you have made up your mind based on your other readings, which is your perogative.
Fair enough.
Raidermatt
Active Member
By the way, I assume you are convinced the Jim Hill stuff about Disney/Gold having discussions with Pixar and/or Henson are completely fabricated as well. Certainly such discussions could not be occuring in secret.
Also, the stuff about Disney's board working something out with Eisner regarding leaving prior to 2006. Any real source would be terminated by now, right?
Also, the stuff about Disney's board working something out with Eisner regarding leaving prior to 2006. Any real source would be terminated by now, right?
Lee has proved him self in the past. We all know thet he does not work for Disney but does have some inside information because he has been correct numerous times in the past. And saying something is for the most part not true is far different then letting loose a bundle of "inside information" about unknown plans for the future.
i don't believe it is logical to think that there may be some truth to anything anyone says. You should never belive anything to be the truth just because you someone says it is. Especially when it is someone you don't know posting on the Interent.
If this was entirely true then members of the board including Disney and Gold would have also known about it. I find it unlikely they would have went forward with the actions they have if this was truely the case.
No, certainly these discussions could have been taking place. But i find it unlikly that Jim knows about these and the rest of the world doesn't. If thats the case then good for Jim. But I think most of what he and Another Voice writes is purely speculative.
Lee
Adventurer
Since I don't "exactly" work for Disney, I feel free to post what I know, as long as I can do so without endangering any of my sources. In the case of the ongoing drama on the Disney board, I will speak only in general terms, as in my last post.
As far as Jim and Another Voice:
I am pretty sure of who Jim's main source is for his current info, and I am comfortable in saying he appears to be on the right track.
I am not familliar with Another Voice. But read his post...anything in it that makes you go "Holy Crap! Really?" is not particularly accurate. Perhaps my giving a 5% accuracy was a bit harsh, but on the whole....Jim is way closer to the facts. At least from what I know at this point.
Good rule of thumb: If it sounds unbelieveable...It probably is.
As far as Jim and Another Voice:
I am pretty sure of who Jim's main source is for his current info, and I am comfortable in saying he appears to be on the right track.
I am not familliar with Another Voice. But read his post...anything in it that makes you go "Holy Crap! Really?" is not particularly accurate. Perhaps my giving a 5% accuracy was a bit harsh, but on the whole....Jim is way closer to the facts. At least from what I know at this point.
Good rule of thumb: If it sounds unbelieveable...It probably is.
DisneyFan 2000
Well-Known Member
This is pathetic!
Closing the whole Disneyland Paris Resort? Yeah right! They've had money problems before and recovered with the help of dear Space Mountain! Why close down Europes #1 resort?
Same goes for DCA.... Sure they made mistakes but to bulldorize the place? While building ToT?? VERY unlikely!
The guy took some facts and made them look as if Disney is going bankrupt! The only part I believe is under consideration is splitting the company 2 ways with Roy getting the animation studios and theme parks!
Great, now I'm MAD!
:fork: :fork: :fork: :fork: :fork: :fork:
Closing the whole Disneyland Paris Resort? Yeah right! They've had money problems before and recovered with the help of dear Space Mountain! Why close down Europes #1 resort?
Same goes for DCA.... Sure they made mistakes but to bulldorize the place? While building ToT?? VERY unlikely!
The guy took some facts and made them look as if Disney is going bankrupt! The only part I believe is under consideration is splitting the company 2 ways with Roy getting the animation studios and theme parks!
Great, now I'm MAD!
:fork: :fork: :fork: :fork: :fork: :fork:
Raidermatt
Active Member
Lee, your approach makes sense to me, and I am not disputing your validity. I was only pointing out some inconsistency in pan's reasons for dismissing Another Voice's commentary.
Look, pan, you obviously have read at least some of the poster's other stuff in the past, and its based on that which you've formed your opinion. That's fine.
I can tell you that another poster who is more "pro-Disney", has confirmed some of what Another Voice has said in the past. Meaning that what he said was being discussed was being discussed. I believe this person because of some of the things he has posted about in the past. For one, he posted details about the Destination Disney program long before Jim Hill "broke" the story.
Yes, much of what Another Voice posts, as well as Jim Hill, is speculation. No doubt about that. The question is, is their speculation based on information most of the rest of us don't have, or are they merely reading tabloids and quarterly earnings releases.
Again, your choice.
I do want to clarify one point...
I agree, a critical approach dictates you do not believe everything you read. Really, it dictates you do not believe ANYTHING you read, unless you have a reason to believe it. And even then, you only assign probabilities that its true.
However, it also dictates you do not discount ANYTHING you read until you have a reason. That does not mean you BELIEVE it, only that you keep an open mind and consider it. Based only on the original post, there are some legitimate reasons to doubt that the speculation will come true, but there isn't anything that should convince one that its simply not possible.
Now, based on your previous readings, you had already decided this poster had no credibility, which certainly is a good reason. I disagree with your conclusion, but that's another matter. Its just that your original reasons for discounting the post were flawed, and, IF Lee is correct, they've led you to possibly prematurely discount some of Jim Hill's specultion.
Look, pan, you obviously have read at least some of the poster's other stuff in the past, and its based on that which you've formed your opinion. That's fine.
I can tell you that another poster who is more "pro-Disney", has confirmed some of what Another Voice has said in the past. Meaning that what he said was being discussed was being discussed. I believe this person because of some of the things he has posted about in the past. For one, he posted details about the Destination Disney program long before Jim Hill "broke" the story.
Yes, much of what Another Voice posts, as well as Jim Hill, is speculation. No doubt about that. The question is, is their speculation based on information most of the rest of us don't have, or are they merely reading tabloids and quarterly earnings releases.
Again, your choice.
I do want to clarify one point...
I obviously didn't do a good job of making my point on this, so I'll try again.
I agree, a critical approach dictates you do not believe everything you read. Really, it dictates you do not believe ANYTHING you read, unless you have a reason to believe it. And even then, you only assign probabilities that its true.
However, it also dictates you do not discount ANYTHING you read until you have a reason. That does not mean you BELIEVE it, only that you keep an open mind and consider it. Based only on the original post, there are some legitimate reasons to doubt that the speculation will come true, but there isn't anything that should convince one that its simply not possible.
Now, based on your previous readings, you had already decided this poster had no credibility, which certainly is a good reason. I disagree with your conclusion, but that's another matter. Its just that your original reasons for discounting the post were flawed, and, IF Lee is correct, they've led you to possibly prematurely discount some of Jim Hill's specultion.
HennieBogan1966
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So let me see if I've got this right:
(for example
The executive staff at Enron was guilty before proven innocent.
but Mr. Eisner would NEVER do anything to make himself a rich man.??
Come on people, let's get into reality. How much was his salary over the last, say, 10 years? How many bonuses did he receive in those same 10 years, and how much were they? And who's ideas were these for some of these "international" Disney Theme Parks, all of which have failed miserably by any comparison to the parks in the U.S.
No, I'd say there's a lot of truth to what's being said about Mr. Eisner. If there's no truth to any of it, where are the FACTS proving all of the good he's done for the company. Numbers don't lie.
And I'd say that his having loyal "buddies" on the board doesn't hurt him at all either. Again, as I've said on number other threads, I'm sure he's done some good over the years. But let's face it, it's time for him to go. And for all the threads I've read, I have yet to read one post that has stated any good reasons that he should STAY.
(for example
The executive staff at Enron was guilty before proven innocent.
but Mr. Eisner would NEVER do anything to make himself a rich man.??
Come on people, let's get into reality. How much was his salary over the last, say, 10 years? How many bonuses did he receive in those same 10 years, and how much were they? And who's ideas were these for some of these "international" Disney Theme Parks, all of which have failed miserably by any comparison to the parks in the U.S.
No, I'd say there's a lot of truth to what's being said about Mr. Eisner. If there's no truth to any of it, where are the FACTS proving all of the good he's done for the company. Numbers don't lie.
And I'd say that his having loyal "buddies" on the board doesn't hurt him at all either. Again, as I've said on number other threads, I'm sure he's done some good over the years. But let's face it, it's time for him to go. And for all the threads I've read, I have yet to read one post that has stated any good reasons that he should STAY.