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[TROR]

The Great Depression was caused by credit spending in the 1920's. It was made worse when Hoover put tariffs on foreign imports, spreading the Depression to the rest of the world. FDR's solution of adding government jobs to give the people work did nothing but put the United States in extreme debt (government jobs are paid for by taxes but there are no taxes if nobody's working in the first place), arguably prolonging the Great Depression. It was not until WWII did the United States finally escape the Great Depression.

Here's an interesting graph showing the National Debt over the years. You can see just how much it starts to rise in 1932 when FDR was elected.

History lesson over.

 

[21stamps]

The Great Depression was caused by credit spending in the 1920's. It was made worse when Hoover put tariffs on foreign imports, spreading the Depression to the rest of the world. FDR's solution of adding government jobs to give the people work did nothing but put the United States in extreme debt (government jobs are paid for by taxes but there are no taxes if nobody's working in the first place), arguably prolonging the Great Depression. It was not until WWII did the United States finally escape the Great Depression.

Here's an interesting graph showing the National Debt over the years. You can see just how much it starts to rise in 1932 when FDR was elected.

History lesson over.

Thanks for wrecking my day with that “projected” segment.

 

[Driver]

It's hard to ignore guests as you check your twitter feed while processing admission tickets.

If a CM is checking ANY social media or using a cell phone TURN THEM IN! This should not happen and is not acceptable except to call 911!

 

[Disney Analyst]

This is for unionized CM's only yes? How many are union?

 

[dlr74]

A New star wars equivelant expansion every four years or a wage encrease - which would you prefer?

This has gotta be a joke, right? You’d rather have people living on the streets and dying in their cars because they aren’t being paid enough to afford to live in Orange County... but hey, a new Land every few years is worth it, huh? Sickening...

 

[TROR]

This has gotta be a joke, right? You’d rather have people living on the streets and dying in their cars because they aren’t being paid enough to afford to live in Orange County... but hey, a new Land every few years is worth it, huh? Sickening...

yeah

 

[dlr74]

30,000 disneyland resort employees - assume 1/4 are working at any one time - 7,500 workers
increase of $4 an hour from $11 to $15
7,500 * $4 = $30,00 an hour increase to disneyland resort operating cost
To keep Disneyland Resort operating requires workers a 24hrs a day 365 days a year
$30,000 * 24 * 365 = $262,800,000 a year increase in operating cost
That money needs to come from somewhere!

Iger’s bonus will cover it

 

[TP2000]

30,000 disneyland resort employees - assume 1/4 are working at any one time - 7,500 workers
increase of $4 an hour from $11 to $15
7,500 * $4 = $30,00 an hour increase to disneyland resort operating cost
To keep Disneyland Resort operating requires workers a 24hrs a day 365 days a year
$30,000 * 24 * 365 = $262,800,000 a year increase in operating cost
That money needs to come from somewhere!

Great info there! Although that's just using the minimum wage increases to $15 coming to all California business,

I've read the articles in the Times and Register, and this increase is only to about one third of the Anaheim CM's in select unions, about 10,000 CM's. So let's do the math on what this almost-immediate rise to $15 an hour to start means for them specifically (although there were likely a handful of highly tenured CM's in this union who were already at or above $15, so let's just start at $12 to factor that in and just pretend).

If 10,000 CM's get instant raises from $12 to $15, and we assume at least half of them work a shift each day...

5,000 CM's x $3 an hour = $15,000 an hour increase to Disneyland operating cost immediately.

Realizing this is a group of CM's who doesn't work 24 hours per day, and many don't work a full 8 hours each day, we'll assume Disneyland has an average operating day of 14 hours (an hour or two of pre-opening and closing time for a 12 hour shoulder-season operating day).

$15,000 x 14 x 365 = $76 Million a year increase in operating costs

I think that's a very substantial amount of money which doesn't even include the increased tax costs of about 8% in this state that Disney will need to pay for that increase in payroll costs. That's an additional annual tax bill Disneyland pays on those higher wages of (rounded down) $6 Million a year increase in payroll taxes to federal and state government. We didn't even factor in that most CM's will be working more than 20 hours per week a year in 2019 when Star Wars hits, nor did we factor in any overtime pay and taxes, nor did we factor in higher weekly 401K payments Disney is now making to some of these CM's who are smart enough to use the 401K system.

So the grand total, using lowball figures that benefit Disneyland instead of the CM's, is $82 Million per year increase in operating costs to give a third of the CM's an immediate $3 an hour raise.

That is not an unsubstantial amount of labor costs, and it will very likely need to have a cause-and-effect response by the business now paying that increased operating costs to try and lower overall operating costs.

 

[Suspirian]

Another way to look at it - if my math estimate is close to being correct - $262,800,000 a year increase in operating cost

In 4 years time this wage increase will cost the company more than a billion dollars which is the estimated cost of star wars land.

A New star wars equivelant expansion every four years or a wage encrease - which would you prefer?

Wage increase.

 

[GeoffR]

I've read a few of the articles regarding this. Like some comments before, I think these articles use the term 'Living Wage' a little too liberally, and it acts more of a buzz-word than a literal meaning; what's a living wage for you might not be for someone else, you know? At $15/hr, for a 40-hour work week (again if you're full-time) only transfers to just under $29k a year before taxes. I live in Massachusetts, which is very expensive in its own right, but it is nothing compared to the tax rates and overall cost of living in CA; and if you want to throw in student loan debt if applicable, car payments, gas etc. I can't speak on the specifics of each job's salary, but that amount of money will not go a long way to support an individual, let alone a family.
On top of that, the WDC can raise the salaries but cut the hours. This happened in Seattle when they raised the salaries to $13, they just cut back hours for the jobs, so people were essentially making the same. Now, if you're part-time, or live at home, or something like that, the pay increase will absolutely help. But, as far as full-time employment at that price, it's mathematically not a livable salary in CA.

 

[TROR]

This wouldn't even be an issue if college wasn't a total scam

 

[GeoffR]

No, but it is hard to pay rent and buy food and gas PLUS enjoy your job when you’re paid less than a living wage and all around being treated not so great by your employer.

$15/hr isn't going to help all that much, especially if you're living wage goes towards a family, and not just yourself. A living wage is based on the individual's circumstances. A college kid's living wage is different than a mother's, you know?

 

[EricsBiscuit]

I very well can and I very well will. Not only is there a minimal amount of good accomplished by the man, to say I can't ignore whatever good he did despite placing Americans in prison camps based on their race is as ridiculous as saying I can't ignore the good Hitler did despite murdering human beings for their race, sexual orientation, or disabilities. Now, I understand ending lives and ruining lives are not the same thing, but FDR is definitely the worst president in American history and I find it embarrassing that people complain about Trump or Obama or Bush as if they're anywhere close to the evil that FDR was.

It's between him, Wilson, and Buchanan.

The point is you are factually wrong. You blamed FDR for the Great Depression that started years before he took office.

FDR put the Great in Great Depression. I didn't say he caused it I said he made it worse.

 

[TP2000]

Might as well put this here... a new Sheraton in LA has grown their robot ranks substantially beyond just the robot that delivers food and small items to rooms. They now have multiple units of three types of robots working at the same time; a large room service robot that can deliver entire meals for six, a robot concierge that can physically lead you to restaurants and hotel amenities, and a robot bellman that can deliver luggage to/from your room.

There is a manager reciting the obligatory corporate talking point that "This doesn't take away jobs, it enhances the guest experience". As if Sheraton will now hire bellhops to just chat with you instead of cart your luggage around. That's a crock and we all know it, but they have to pretend for some stupid reason. These robots replace humans in entry-level unskilled jobs, that's a fact.



These things still seem slow and clunky, but it's amazing how fast this industry is changing. Five years from now these things will be smarter, faster and better. And even cheaper for hotels to own and operate. Buh-bye to human bellhops, room service staff, and concierge staff!

 

[GeoffR]

Might as well put this here... a new Sheraton in LA has grown their robot ranks substantially beyond just the robot that delivers food and small items to rooms. They now have multiple units of three types of robots working at the same time; a large room service robot that can deliver entire meals for six, a robot concierge that can physically lead you to restaurants and hotel amenities, and a robot bellman that can deliver luggage to/from your room.

There is a manager reciting the obligatory corporate talking point that "This doesn't take away jobs, it enhances the guest experience". As if Sheraton will now hire bellhops to just chat with you instead of cart your luggage around. That's a crock and we all know it, but they have to pretend for some stupid reason. These robots replace humans in entry-level unskilled jobs, that's a fact.



These things still seem slow and clunky, but it's amazing how fast this industry is changing. Five years from now these things will be smarter, faster and better. And even cheaper for hotels to own and operate. Buh-bye to human bellhops, room service staff, and concierge staff!

Wow!! It's like that Twilight Zone episode where robots replace a whole factory! So weird, but you're right, a corporation can put on a good face, but the intentions are to save money in the long run, despite employee layoffs and things of that nature.

 

[Disney Irish]

Might as well put this here... a new Sheraton in LA has grown their robot ranks substantially beyond just the robot that delivers food and small items to rooms. They now have multiple units of three types of robots working at the same time; a large room service robot that can deliver entire meals for six, a robot concierge that can physically lead you to restaurants and hotel amenities, and a robot bellman that can deliver luggage to/from your room.

There is a manager reciting the obligatory corporate talking point that "This doesn't take away jobs, it enhances the guest experience". As if Sheraton will now hire bellhops to just chat with you instead of cart your luggage around. That's a crock and we all know it, but they have to pretend for some stupid reason. These robots replace humans in entry-level unskilled jobs, that's a fact.



These things still seem slow and clunky, but it's amazing how fast this industry is changing. Five years from now these things will be smarter, faster and better. And even cheaper for hotels to own and operate. Buh-bye to human bellhops, room service staff, and concierge staff!

Yep, change is coming. It’s only a matter of time before Disney puts this into effective in a large scale initiative across all of P&R.

 

[Disney Irish]

Wow!! It's like that Twilight Zone episode where robots replace a whole factory! So weird, but you're right, a corporation can put on a good face, but the intentions are to save money in the long run, despite employee layoffs and things of that nature.

You know what’s funny about that TZ episode, Tesla’s factory was almost all robotic. Until recently it relied on a complete autonomous workforce. They changed that because of the recent failures with the Model S, but it shows that sweeping change is coming to many industries.

 

[Practical Pig]

Might as well put this here... a new Sheraton in LA has grown their robot ranks substantially beyond just the robot that delivers food and small items to rooms. They now have multiple units of three types of robots working at the same time; a large room service robot that can deliver entire meals for six, a robot concierge that can physically lead you to restaurants and hotel amenities, and a robot bellman that can deliver luggage to/from your room.

There is a manager reciting the obligatory corporate talking point that "This doesn't take away jobs, it enhances the guest experience". As if Sheraton will now hire bellhops to just chat with you instead of cart your luggage around. That's a crock and we all know it, but they have to pretend for some stupid reason. These robots replace humans in entry-level unskilled jobs, that's a fact.



These things still seem slow and clunky, but it's amazing how fast this industry is changing. Five years from now these things will be smarter, faster and better. And even cheaper for hotels to own and operate. Buh-bye to human bellhops, room service staff, and concierge staff!

I expect Disney to introduce this tech in the Star Wars Hotel coming to the DHS Galaxy's Edge, skinned with SW droid-style and maybe installed with AI chatbots. But unfortunately, I've no doubt Disney will bring this into all their hotels, skinned with pixie dust, as soon as they feel the cost-benefit balance is advantageous.

 

[GiveMeTheMusic]

Another way to look at it - if my math estimate is close to being correct - $262,800,000 a year increase in operating cost

In 4 years time this wage increase will cost the company more than a billion dollars which is the estimated cost of star wars land.

A New star wars equivelant expansion every four years or a wage encrease - which would you prefer?

This may shock and surprise you, but Disney can easily afford both.

 

[drizgirl]

This may shock and surprise you, but Disney can easily afford both.

That assumes of course that they are willing to "make do" with less profits. I have my doubts.