Great video I think the tragedy of Hong Kong was that it could and still can be one of the most special Disneyland resorts but mismanagement has continued to get in the way. Its a pity Disney havent bought out hong kong international theme parks and taken full control, finally building the area out into a true resort destination
Actually it has more to do with the 2014 Umbrella Revolution (or Occupy Central protest) , which turned away tons of mainland tourists for HK as a whole.It sucks that right when HKDL started making money, Disney opened their park in Shanghai. This resulted in HKDL losing a majority of their mainland China guests and the park hasn’t made a profit since.
HKDL was increasingly profitable in 2013, 14 and 15. When the Shanghai park opened in 2016, HKDL lost money.Actually it has more to do with the 2014 Umbrella Revolution (or Occupy Central protest) , which turned away tons of mainland tourists for HK as a whole.
Really interesting article, it also mentions that there were planned to be four hotels and a downstyle shopping dining complex at opening I wonder what themes were planned? Was the sleeping beauty castle me tioned the one as builtor the one from Paris? I wonder what the plans were for the north lantau tourist area, so many questions on what might have been!Nice documentary.
I like the What Ifs and Woulda, Couldas of theme parks, so a part of HKDL history that interests me is the 1999 Press Release which described a much more filled-out park than what was built:
HONG KONG / Nov. 2, 1999--In an agreement with the Hong Kong SAR Government, The Walt Disney Company today unveiled plans for a proposed Hong Kong Disneyland, a 126-hectare theme park development to be built as the anchor of a tourism center on Lantau Island.www.hospitalitynet.org
These pieces of art show the park described above - you can pick out all the elements from Frontierland's rafting ride & Phantom Manor to Toontown to Adventureland's Jungle Dino Coaster & Lion King theater.
- Main Street USA Concept - Main Street USA serves as the dramatic entryway to the park. Here guests will immediately take a step back in time to Main Street USA which will capture the excitement, friendliness and energy of a community gathering place. Designed after an old-fashioned small town, Main Street includes shops and restaurants and serves as the stage for live entertainment and parades as well as special events celebrating the local culture.
- Fantasyland Concept - Fantasyland is the magical home of Disney animated characters and stories. Here guests can fly to Neverland with Peter Pan [the classic ride], take a spin in a teacup, play in the undersea world with the Little Mermaid[the suspended darkride pre-viz'd on youtube], and even climb aboard colorfully decorated horses on an old fashioned carousel.
- Toontown Concept - Toontown is a wacky upside-down world where the beloved Disney characters live and play. Here guests might be transported into a three dimensional cartoon and meet one-on-one with Mickey Mouse. They will stroll through Minnie's house, bounce off the walls at Goofy's house, climb around Donald's boat or zip through the Toontown countryside on a whimsical roller coaster.
- Adventureland Concept - Adventureland is a thrilling journey to exotic regions of exploration, adventure and discovery. Here guests will leave the safe haven of a North African Bazaar and venture into a wild untamed world or take a roller coaster ride through a dark jungle filled with mysterious surprises [dinosaur-themed outdoor coaster]. They can explore an ancient dinosaur archeological site[like AK's dig], voyage to a whole new world aboard a soaring magic carpet[the MK's spinner] or experience a live show featuring the music and characters from Disney classics such as the "The Lion King."[the only Adventureland feature that survived this plan]
- Frontierland Concept - Frontierland is a walk right into the American Old West of the 1880s. Here park guests explore a frontier outpost at Fort Comstock[as in Paris]. They might also take a frightfully funny trip through a haunted mansion[Phantom Manor], shoot the rapids on a river raft ride[rapids ride around Chimney Rock], or experience for themselves just how tough it is to be a bug in a one-of-a-kind show [as in DCA, not a fan of its placement in Frontierland].
- Tomorrowland Concept - Tomorrowland is a world of the future, filled with sci-fi fantasies and soaring space adventures. Here guests will journey to infinity and beyond as they join Buzz Lightyear to save the universe from the evil Emperor Zurg [astroblasters, made it to actual version], or blast off on a high-speed journey into outer space[a space version of RocknRollercoaster], and pilot their own spinning spacecraft[Orbitron]. They might also take a leisurely drive through the landscape of tomorrow [Autopia] and frolic in a futuristic water fountain.
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Now that the budgeteered 2005 HKDL is coming into its own with all its additions & improvements, it's fun to think about which you'd prefer. The 1999 version, with much more to do and signature E-ticket experiences at the outset, surely would have had garnered a lot more attendance & satisfaction in the park's first decade.
The one in the art above looks like Anaheim's, but they conceptualized numerous variations for HK, such as:Really interesting article, it also mentions that there were planned to be four hotels and a downstyle shopping dining complex at opening I wonder what themes were planned? Was the sleeping beauty castle me tioned the one as builtor the one from Paris? I wonder what the plans were for the north lantau tourist area, so many questions on what might have been!
Agreed. Hong Kong’s attraction lineup, layout, and overall feel is better than Shanghai’s. Sure, there’s no Pirates, but they’ve got Mystic Manor, and Big Grizzly seems to be a stronger attraction than TRON if we’re doing one to one comparisons.Based on what I've seen, HKDL more than holds up well in comparisons to SHDL... even with the existing castle.
SDL also has Soarin', an updated Peter Pan's Flight and Seven Dwarfs Mine Train. While not as appealing for international guests as WDW has these rides as well (and DL has 2/3) these are major ride differentiators for the Chinese audience.HKDL is definitely a better park than SDL. I did both parks back to back last year expecting to be blown away by Shanghai and underwhelmed by Hong Kong. It was the other way around. After Pirates & Tron, there isn't much to do at SDL.
Didn’t Hong Kong perform better last year?This is just curiosity, but what would happen if the HKDL expansion doesn't work out? Would Disney close/sell the park or just leave it alone for many years without any more expansions? I truly want the park to do well so I hope people show up once the work is complete.
I thought the second gate budget was completely shelved in favor of adding to HKDL with a DCA 2.0 style makeover. See the problem is that there isn’t enough to do there. It’s a beautiful place but you can blow through all the attractions by 1pm. What keeps you busy the rest of the day? None of the attractions hardly have waits!Revenue is up but the park is still posting a loss:
HONG KONG--Hong Kong's Disney theme park on Tuesday posted a net loss of 345 million Hong Kong dollars (US$44.1 million) for the last fiscal year, more than...www.marketwatch.com
I think even the gloomiest forecasts show that HKDL will see an increase in attendance and revenue with all its expansions. The question is will it generate enough profit and tourism for HDKL and the HK government (who owns 53% of the park) to make them believe it was worth it all in the end.
The video mentions that they expected 10 million visitors per year to HKDL after its initial expansions, a number they were still millions short of even at the best of times in the pre-SHDL era.
If reality is the darkest timeline and the park continues to operate at a loss we can potentially see budget cuts to the park in terms of staffing and maintenance in the best case scenario. In a not-as-gloomy negative outlook that the park is just breaking even or generating only a slight profit then perhaps we won't see a big investment to expand the park in a long time (and say goodbye to the potential of a 2nd gate). The ideal is if HKDL starts pulling in profits and 10+ million visitors annually and then the discussion of the 2nd gate gets on the table.
As far as I know money for a second gate was not shelved in favor of adding to HKDL. I think the additions came on its own as a necessity. Land for a second gate has always sat around, but HKDL is prioritizing adding on to its current crop of offerings (with Grizzly Gulch, Mystic Point and Toy Story lands being major additions prior to the Marvel, Castle, Frozen additions). Plus they still had that expansion pad where the Frozen land is going. I figured that would be filled out prior to the second gate opening up.I thought the second gate budget was completely shelved in favor of adding to HKDL with a DCA 2.0 style makeover. See the problem is that there isn’t enough to do there. It’s a beautiful place but you can blow through all the attractions by 1pm. What keeps you busy the rest of the day? None of the attractions hardly have waits!
There is no blanket exclusivity. It is on a per project basis and it is surprising that Toy Story Land has not further eroded Disney’s standing with the Government.Does anyone know the details of this non-compete clause between HKDL and SDL? How long of an exclusivity does one park get over another for an attraction (ie: how long will SDL have to wait before getting its own Arendelle attractions) or is it actually exclusive indefinitely?
The partial ownership deals in China (and formerly Paris) ensure that Disney makes money through licensing and operating fees. Hongkong International Theme Parks making money is a bigger concern for the Government and more gravy for Disney (not to suggest that Disney doesn’t love gravy). Euro Disney SCA was a financial mess for years and Disney held out.This is just curiosity, but what would happen if the HKDL expansion doesn't work out? Would Disney close/sell the park or just leave it alone for many years without any more expansions? I truly want the park to do well so I hope people show up once the work is complete.