Darien Lake's rollercoaster accident, can it happen at Disney?

juniorthomas

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Just adding my opinion as a ride operator myself. I work at a UK themepark aimed at 3-12s so granted my experience is a little different.

Firstly, I think the blame lies with both the ops and the man himself. Whilst it is a sad situation, I think it was a totally avoidable accident that could have occured anywhere. Our motto at work is 'if in doubt - check'. This covers us, as a ride op, and somewhat shifts the blame to the management team if something is to go wrong. If we are unsure whether to let someone on (ie most commonly in kids that borderline meet height restrictions), a phone call to a manager takes only a short while. Yes, this may slow down loading and may anger other guests waiting but in cases like this it's far better to be safe than sorry. There have been similar cases at my place of work and there have probably been many accidents that have been avoided because we used a combination of common sense, health and safety restrictions, and management approval. I don't know much about this incident but I would have thought that any doubt in the operator's mind should have been cause to have a manager present.

At my park we ask that all prosthetic limbs are removed as there is a risk to others' safety if they come loose and may hit someone if moving at speed (sounds ridiculous but this is straight from my employee's handbook). However, yes, there are probably times when limbs would go unnoticed eg if wearing trousers and normal footwear. If they have had the limbs for long enough, they may just walk with a slight limp. None of our rides (again, keep in mind this is a small park with two coasters that would be considered 'kiddy coasters' the height requirements are 90cm and 1m respectively if that gives you a better idea of the size of the rides) ask for a certain amount of limbs, however the bigger rides (the coasters, the log flume and rapids, the swinging ship) all ask for lower body control. This is specifically to brace oneself on drops/turns on most of the rides. I can't see how this man would have been able to brace himself against movements of this type, I think I read somewhere he fell during a sharp turn, I haven't seen the ride itself so cannot comment to deeply. In my mind, it is common sense that this would be the case. I also don't think that he would have been tall enough to ride without prosthetics, but that's a whole different story. In this respect the blame definitely lies with the ride team. However hearing that he did not listen/did not seek advice about suitable does leave him somewhat liable, in my opinion.

In short, I think we all agree there's no way the man should have been on this ride. Tragic though it is, I think that it was totally avoidable if the actions of both the park (the ride ops knowing and following procedure/ checking with management/ using common sense) and himself ( seeking advice/ knowing his limits/ common sense) were different.

This type of situation definitely underscores the importance of better safe than sorry. Those people who are grumpy that you're slowing down the ride load time are at least still alive when the ride is over. Better grumpy and alive then the opposite, right?
 

juniorthomas

Well-Known Member
Every ride manufacturer has certain rules as to what conditions required to ride and what conditions are unable to ride. The ride manufacturer and the park meet to create a system where they can help people determine which rides they can and cannot ride. I am not sure what the requirements where for that ride but it sounds like the man should have never been allowed to ride in the first place. I respect that he was a war veteran but that does not matter when it comes to the man's safety when riding rides.

I work at Guest Services at Kings Island in Ohio and part of our job is to help guests with disabilities get special access to rides because they cannot go through the queue and help they determine which rides they are able to ride. This is a very important part of the job because it will help the park to operate safely.
Obviously at Darien Lake they did not follow their normal procedures because they should have some type of system to determine who is allowed to safely ride their ride.

To the original poster, I don't want to sound like a jerk but it doesn't matter if the man served in the military and served our country, safety is safety and he should not have been let on just because he had a sad story. That's not discrimination, its all about the ride manufacturer requirements and how their restraints work to determine if someone is SAFE enough to ride.

Agreed. Remove all the outside factors from what happened. A disabled man got on a ride both he and the ride operators should have known better to get on/let him on. If he was a doctor or an actor, it wouldn't change the sadness of the outcome.
 

quirkle

Well-Known Member
Very true.

Plus, if any of you have been to Darien Lake, The Ride of Steel is THE most popular ride in the park. So the staff was probably trying to load the ride as quickly as possible to get things moving. Not that this is an excuse, but it is probably the reason.

I have never been to Darien Lake but I have been to several other amusement parks (6th flags etc). Most recently I was at 6 Flags NE and the average age of the ride operators was 18 at the most. Not that younger people are not responsible its just that when you are loading and unloading as quickly as possible this gets passed up.

I feel for the ride operator especially if it was a kid - a death is a tragedy no matter what but imagine the guilt that person will live with for a lapse of judgement.

It is tough enough for these kids when a ride is held up then if an adult man who is disabled is told they can't ride and they say they are OK - maybe there was a conversation - we don;t know. Maybe the operator was just overwhelmed and going through the motions. :shrug:
 

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