Cost of Disney

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
A little less ridiculous, or not at all ridiculous, would be to put the model at $75,000. If Disney can fill the parks while charging prices commensurate with this income level, why wouldn't they?

I was on the Disney Wonder last week. It was sold completely out, and sold out many many months ago. They do flex price based on demand. That cruise cost a family of 4 $9,200 (40% more than normal price). That was with a near base level cabin, but with lots of cheapish excursions and some drinks. I don't know what most people make, but for this price, you are looking at a family income of $75,000ish to be able to afford it comfortably. ...every other year or three.

Comfortably is a key word. Sure, a fry cook could skrimp for a decade and do it, but that is NOT what vacations are supposed to be.

Cruise line is another can of pandoras worms...

There is no defense of their prices except to attribute it to disney Stockholm syndrome and limited supply...

They have been careful to not get too many ships at this point.

I just got off a RCL...the previous one was on the Dream.

There is simply no comparison of which one was better. Almost laughably so.
 

jloucks

Well-Known Member
Cruise line is another can of pandoras worms...

There is no defense of their prices except to attribute it to disney Stockholm syndrome and limited supply...

They have been careful to not get too many ships at this point.

I just got off a RCL...the previous one was on the Dream.

There is simply no comparison of which one was better. Almost laughably so.
They actually do have a few more in the works. They might be trying to saturate global ports a little better. I think the market will handle 2-4 more without so much as a hiccup.
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
They actually do have a few more in the works. They might be trying to saturate global ports a little better. I think the market will handle 2-4 more without so much as a hiccup.

2 as of now...I think the idea of a 3rd is floated. I can't see them going higher than that If they want to retain retail pricing
 

Ted Daggett

Active Member
Vacations in general are very expensive -- that is why people don't go on them continually...

A one day pass to ski at VAIL in Colorado on Dec 27 is $164 for an adult and $113 for a child (5-12).
VAIL chairlifts are only open 9 am - 3:30 pm.

A one day adult Peak ticket to MK including tax is $132. Park is open from 8 am to 12 am on Dec 27.

MK is much less expensive for a longer experience, and at VAIL you only get one mountain, whereas at MK you get to go on Space Mountain, Splash Mountain and Big Thunder Mountain....
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
Vacations in general are very expensive -- that is why people don't go on them continually...

A one day pass to ski at VAIL in Colorado on Dec 27 is $164 for an adult and $113 for a child (5-12).
VAIL chairlifts are only open 9 am - 3:30 pm.

A one day adult Peak ticket to MK including tax is $132. Park is open from 8 am to 12 am on Dec 27.

MK is much less expensive for a longer experience, and at VAIL you only get one mountain, whereas at MK you get to go on Space Mountain, Splash Mountain and Big Thunder Mountain....

I've seen this comparison for many years and I always like what's used:

Broadway shows...the most expensive sports markets...Hawaii...and upper crust ski resorts...

Now here's the thing: they may charge you $500 a night for the poly and $95 for the Halloween party...but you're being ripped off. We all are.

Simply labeling things "luxury" doesn't make it so. Disney parks are not in the same class as those types of places.

A cut below...for sure. It's not an effective comparison...at least not completely.
 

jloucks

Well-Known Member
I've seen this comparison for many years and I always like what's used:

Broadway shows...the most expensive sports markets...Hawaii...and upper crust ski resorts...

Now here's the thing: they may charge you $500 a night for the poly and $95 for the Halloween party...but you're being ripped off. We all are.

Simply labeling things "luxury" doesn't make it so. Disney parks are not in the same class as those types of places.

A cut below...for sure. It's not an effective comparison...at least not completely.

I think we may be confusing "Luxury" and "Luxury Good or Service". Two different things.

Disney is definitely a luxury good or service but not really a luxury or luxurious.
 

winstongator

Well-Known Member
Oddly enough I'm on both sides of this fence. I see what it cost for an average family to visit and think "that's pricey" But I also know and understand what it takes to support such an operation. What I mean is, all the behind the scenes cost that people don't see and/or don't think about. WDW world is a 24/7 operation. When the parks are " not open" (overnight) there is still an army of people in there prepping for another day among other things. And there is new construction cost etc. etc. The proverbial meter is always running and the bills have to get paid. Are they making a lot of money? Of course, their in business to make money. And as mentioned they will price to what the market will bear.
If you look through the annual reports, you can see the profit margins for Parks & Resorts is not that high. To the point that even if they lowered prices to their break-even point, many people would still consider it overpriced.
 

21stamps

Well-Known Member
I've seen this comparison for many years and I always like what's used:

Broadway shows...the most expensive sports markets...Hawaii...and upper crust ski resorts...

Now here's the thing: they may charge you $500 a night for the poly and $95 for the Halloween party...but you're being ripped off. We all are.

Simply labeling things "luxury" doesn't make it so. Disney parks are not in the same class as those types of places.

A cut below...for sure. It's not an effective comparison...at least not completely.

More often than not, Disney is much less expenive than any of those things.
Entertainment is expensive.
Choose which expenses are “worth it” to you.
 

winstongator

Well-Known Member
Hi All,

I’m very interested in hearing what everyone thinks of today’s prices at Walt Disney World. Do you think they are reasonable? Are they to high? Would you go no matter how high the cost gets?
Thanks,
Kathy
When I was a kid (80's) and my parents paid for Disney the impression I got was that it was incredibly expensive. I'm older, have my kids, and pay for the trips myself, it seems reasonable compared to the cost of other things (sporting events/movies). We have annual passes and have gone enough so the pass-price per day at the park is not bad. However, the WDW hotels are expensive. The deluxe are not really luxury. We stayed at the Four Seasons nearby for a conference my wife was presenting at, and that qualifies as a real luxury hotel - my wife loves it. However, you can't walk or monorail, and its buses make the WDW resort buses look fast. Location is to a large degree what you're paying for with the deluxe hotels.
 

winstongator

Well-Known Member
My point is that the cost of a Disney vacation is going up at a rate that far exceeds the decline in purchasing power of a dollar and that is not simply an issue of anecdotal evidence.

In other words; WDW is about three times more expensive in real terms today than it was in 1983.

Beyond that I have no idea what Walt wanted and it is up to you and everyone else to decide if it is "worth it" . But it is empirically more expensive even when accounting for the purchasing power of a dollar (how much stuff you can get per dollar). I am returning this summer so I must think it is worth it and from your post it is clear that you also still think it is worth it too:)

just for fun in case anyone is interested the bureau of labor statistics has a very user friendly calculator to compare costs through time here :
https://www.bls.gov/data/inflation_calculator.htm
Inflation includes things that have gone down in price - what would you pay for a 20MB hard drive today vs. what my dad paid in 1982. Other things have gone up - gasoline for one. The other big increase is labor costs. Revenue for the parks & resort segment was $17B for fy2016. Operating income was $3.3B. Their margin was roughly 20%. So they reduce prices 20%, they break even. Even at that reduction prices are still 2.4x inflation adjusted costs. They're charging what they can, but also what they need to.

https://ditm-twdc-us.storage.googleapis.com/2016-Annual-Report.pdf
 

Ted Daggett

Active Member
I've seen this comparison for many years and I always like what's used:

Broadway shows...the most expensive sports markets...Hawaii...and upper crust ski resorts...

Now here's the thing: they may charge you $500 a night for the poly and $95 for the Halloween party...but you're being ripped off. We all are.

Simply labeling things "luxury" doesn't make it so. Disney parks are not in the same class as those types of places.

A cut below...for sure. It's not an effective comparison...at least not completely.

I agree that WDW isn't a Luxury resort, but you aren't paying for luxury... We go during non-peak times, rent DVC points and buy multi day tickets to give Disney as little of our money as possible. We haven't been going to WDW as much since we realized that it is cheaper for our family to go to Atlantis in the Bahamas, which is far more luxurious.
 

21stamps

Well-Known Member
I agree that WDW isn't a Luxury resort, but you aren't paying for luxury... We go during non-peak times, rent DVC points and buy multi day tickets to give Disney as little of our money as possible. We haven't been going to WDW as much since we realized that it is cheaper for our family to go to Atlantis in the Bahamas, which is far more luxurious.

Really?

Atlantis always comes out higher for me. Room price is close, sometimes more..entertainment is more expensive..food is more expensive.
 

Goofyernmost

Well-Known Member
Here's a little food for thought. Just two years ago this month I went to Europe for a month. I left Raleigh on the 19th of Oct and returned on the 16th of November. Two of us traveled by air from Raleigh to Iceland to Paris, for 4 days sightseeing and Disneyland Paris, Flew from Paris to Venice for three days, took a train to Rome, did all the touristy things there for 5 days, Including side trip by train to Pompeii, took another train to the Port of Rome and boarded a Celebrity Trans-Atlantic Relocation Cruise which included six days of stops in the Mediterranean in Italy, Spain, France and The Canary Islands and then across the Atlantic (5 days) to Fort Lauderdale and while waiting for our return flight to Raleigh took an excursion tour of the Florida Everglades. Saw us some big ole Gators. :)

Total cost... transportation, meals, lodging, souvenirs, admissions, and the cruise. $8750.00 paid in full.

Moral of the story... vacations are expensive, but, some are just ridiculous. The only way that Disney can charge the prices that they charge is that they have managed to convince the public that it is worth it. Whether it be convincing them to pay ransom amounts for a lousy room that you are only sleeping in or convincing you that you should take the free (right, hee hee) bus from the airport so that you have to stay in the resort and pay for high priced food. I admire that moxie. Really, I don't know what they pay their PR people but it should be in gold doubloon. They are that good. Many people save for years to go there and they leave happy, just as I have done (on the cheap) for many years. That is what is important. If individuals feel it is worth it.. then it is. It really is that simple. We can spend our lives trying to quantify or justify what Disney charges, but, there is no rule book that says what the limits are. If they can continue to sell tickets, convince people to spend huge amounts of money and have them leave happy, then every business should have that good fortune.
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
They break out consumer products as a stand alone business.

But behind the great oz's curtain...that's where the parks make money. Sometimes 85-90% profit.

That's why the parks "work"...the operational overhead would crush them without the giftshops...and no money would be made for the street.
 

Gringrinngghost

Well-Known Member
Hi All,

I’m very interested in hearing what everyone thinks of today’s prices at Walt Disney World. Do you think they are reasonable? Are they to high? Would you go no matter how high the cost gets?
Thanks,
Kathy

Kathy,

Once working in the parks I can say that the prices aren't reasonable. In 2015 my company prided itself on the fact that a family of four will spend about $800 for ONE DAY. Due to the prices - I rarely go in unless I can get a comp ticket or know that I will go alot to actually warrant an AP. If we look at the cost of Disney in the past 12 years, prices have doubled. In 2005 it was 59.75 for a single day ticket if I we're to buy one for a weekend day. Now that's $124 a 107.53% increase in price in 12 years or about 9% a year. Even if we account for inflation and Disney didn't have any additional price increases other then adjusting for inflation the ticket would be $77.28. To match that to the current pricing while being adjusting for inflation its still an increase of $46.72 or this time 60% increase. A good example of rampant price increases can be shown with the Butter Beer at Universal Orlando. In July of 2010 it was 2.99 (non-frozen) in January of 2017 it was 6.99, a price increase of 133.78% and when accounted for inflation Butter Beer (when adjusted for inflation is 3.40) still has had a price increase of 105.59% So In my opinion, the prices are way to high when even accounted for inflation and the only reason they are is greed.
 

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