Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[willtravel]

Where’s the fun in that?

“"While Pfizer and BioNTech believe a third dose of BNT162b2 has the potential to preserve the highest levels of protective efficacy against all currently known variants including Delta, the companies are remaining vigilant and are developing an updated version of the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine that targets the full spike protein of the Delta variant," the company said.”

https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/08/health/pfizer-waning-immunity-bn/index.html

What happens if something develops after the Delta variant and after and after?

 

[danlb_2000]

Where’s the fun in that?

“"While Pfizer and BioNTech believe a third dose of BNT162b2 has the potential to preserve the highest levels of protective efficacy against all currently known variants including Delta, the companies are remaining vigilant and are developing an updated version of the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine that targets the full spike protein of the Delta variant," the company said.”

https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/08/health/pfizer-waning-immunity-bn/index.html

Not sure what to think about this study from Israel, because studies in England and Scotland showed higher protection that what the Israel study showed.

 

[danlb_2000]

It still is.

I can't find any evidence that that is true. The CDC doesn't say it's required.

 

[BuddyThomas]

Who, pray tell? None I’ve seen. Names please.

I’d like the answer to this question as well, but of course we’ll never get it, since the post you responded to was made for the sole purpose of stirring up trouble.

 

[lazyboy97o]

I can't find any evidence that that is true. The CDC doesn't say it's required.

https://www.state.nj.us/health/cd/documents/k12-parents.pdf

School Immunization Requirements | Florida Department of Health

Information regarding Florida's immunization requirements for school-aged children.

www.floridahealth.gov

 

[GoofGoof]

What happens if something develops after the Delta variant and after and after?

This is nothing new. Pfizer developed boosters for the Brazilian and South African variants too that to my knowledge were never used. It’s relatively quick and cheap to develop and should countries decide they want it it’s potentially billions in sales for the companies. Better to have it ready to go just in case.

https://www.vanguardngr.com/2021/01/covid-19-pfizer-develops-booster-shot-against-brazil-south-africa-variants-2/

 

[danlb_2000]

https://www.state.nj.us/health/cd/documents/k12-parents.pdf

School Immunization Requirements | Florida Department of Health

Information regarding Florida's immunization requirements for school-aged children.

www.floridahealth.gov

That's only if you want to go to public school. That's different the requiring every citizen to be vaccinated.

 

[mmascari]

I don’t think anything related to case fluctuations will do it. The only thing I can think of is the emergence of a variant that renders the vaccines useless and ineffective. Remember that Disney didn’t drop mitigations based solely on case numbers, the primary driver was vaccinations. Since you cannot unvaccinate someone the number vaccinated can only go up. A vaccine resistant mutation could result in a reset of vaccination numbers but I don’t know how likely that is to happen. Seems pretty unlikely.

Somewhere right now is a person thinking, hmmm unvaccinate you say.

Somewhere right now is a virus mutating.

If you listen closely, you may hear it: Hold my beer.

 

[GimpYancIent]

That's only if you want to go to public school. That's different the requiring every citizen to be vaccinated.

This is what I gathered from ProCon.org "As of July 18, 2018, all 50 states and DC require vaccinations for diphtheria, tetanus, and pertussis; polio; measles and rubella (49 states and DC also require mumps vaccination); and the varicella (chickenpox) vaccination. 43 states and DC require hepatitis B vaccination (Alabama, Illinois, Maine, Montana, Rhode Island, South Dakota and Texas do not) to enter kindergarten. Some states require Hib, PCV, and Hep A vaccines to enter kindergarten. As of Aug. 19, 2020, Massachusetts is the first and only state to require the flu vaccine. Many states require more vaccines as the children age, for example West Virginia requires the meningitis vaccine at the CDC-recommended age (11-12 years old)." So rather than a CDC / federal requirement its about state requirement's.

I ask, Isn't vaccinating all the children (in the long term) end up vaccinating every citizen?

 

[lazyboy97o]

That's only if you want to go to public school. That's different the requiring every citizen to be vaccinated.

No, it is not. Immunization requirements extend to private day cares and private schools as well. About half of the states even require them for home schooling. Only medical exemptions are universal to all states, with some allowing personal belief exemptions, some allowed religious belief exemptions and some not allowing either. The ability to obtain an exemption also varies and has been tightened in some places in recent years.

 

[ImperfectPixie]

No, it is not. Immunization requirements extend to private day cares and private schools as well. About half of the states even require them for home schooling. Only medical exemptions are universal to all states, with some allowing personal belief exemptions, some allowed religious belief exemptions and some not allowing either. The ability to obtain an exemption also varies and has been tightened in some places in recent years.

I really wish we could ditch the personal and religious belief exemptions. Just because you believe in big foot or that the earth is flat doesn't mean you should be allowed an exemption.

(I'm trying to be nice.)

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

I'll be blunt... a booster will keep people from vaccinating - period. People won't booster either - some were hard enough to get 2 shots in as it is. Downer me says this is a bad idea to promote here in a way.... I feel like we'll never get to good levels if this is required for some.

Agreed. It also opens up the whole “well they said 1 thing and now they are changing it” can of worms.

 

[DisneyFan32]

I don’t think anything related to case fluctuations will do it. The only thing I can think of is the emergence of a variant that renders the vaccines useless and ineffective. Remember that Disney didn’t drop mitigations based solely on case numbers, the primary driver was vaccinations. Since you cannot unvaccinate someone the number vaccinated can only go up. A vaccine resistant mutation could result in a reset of vaccination numbers but I don’t know how likely that is to happen. Seems pretty unlikely.

Disney also relied on experts and the CDC for recommendations to some extent so if there is a nationwide, federal push to go back to masking Disney could consider it, but I see the likelihood of that about as high as the vaccine resistant variant happening. Disney will not act on their own to restrict business again. In theory they could bring something like indoor masks back in the Fall but they won’t bring back distancing and capacity limits that severely limit business unless mandated by the government. Right now those types of measures in FL can only be imposed by the Governor at the state level….what do you think the odds are Governor head in the sand is going to implement anything? 10,000+ people a day were getting sick back in Jan and he did nothing.

is NJ and NY will be still okay by fall and winter with no masks and social distancing as the cases will be lower by fall as masks will be gone for public transportation in NJ/NY/PA?

 

[danlb_2000]

This is what I gathered from ProCon.org "As of July 18, 2018, all 50 states and DC require vaccinations for diphtheria, tetanus, and pertussis; polio; measles and rubella (49 states and DC also require mumps vaccination); and the varicella (chickenpox) vaccination. 43 states and DC require hepatitis B vaccination (Alabama, Illinois, Maine, Montana, Rhode Island, South Dakota and Texas do not) to enter kindergarten. Some states require Hib, PCV, and Hep A vaccines to enter kindergarten. As of Aug. 19, 2020, Massachusetts is the first and only state to require the flu vaccine. Many states require more vaccines as the children age, for example West Virginia requires the meningitis vaccine at the CDC-recommended age (11-12 years old)." So rather than a CDC / federal requirement its about state requirement's.

I ask, Isn't vaccinating all the children (in the long term) end up vaccinating every citizen?

No, because you can become a citizen after you are school aged. Also, just doing a little reading on the home school issue, there are only four states that require home school kids to be vaccinated and it sounds like this is rarely enforced.

 

[BuddyThomas]

Agreed. It also opens up the whole “well they said 1 thing and now they are changing it” can of worms.

On the other hand, we’ve been told since the beginning that boosters may be required, so this is not so surprising, especially with all the selfish people who continue to endanger themselves and their fellow citizens by refusing to get vaccinated, thereby creating an environment where new and possibly more deadly variants will form.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

On the other hand, we’ve been told since the beginning that boosters may be required, so this is not so surprising, especially with all the selfish people who continue to endanger themselves and their fellow citizens by refusing to get vaccinated, thereby creating an environment where new and possibly more deadly variants will form.

Eh... I don’t think it’s selfish to be hesitant, especially with so much information and misinformation running around.

 

[CTC]

If the virus count surges over the next few weeks, I expect the CDC to suggest masking indoors for everyone again regardless of vaccination status. Disney Parks would then follow those new guidelines as part of their corporate practice. It makes sense from a health standpoint as well as a PR standpoint. Without cast members at their jobs (and numbers are thin now), how do you operate a massive resort? Thoughts?

 

[lazyboy97o]

I really wish we could ditch the personal and religious belief exemptions. Just because you believe in big foot or that the earth is flat doesn't mean you should be allowed an exemption.

(I'm trying to be nice.)

I like to consider myself a near anarchist. I don’t like the idea of government really doing anything and don’t think they tend to do things well. I even have crazy beliefs like I think we should get rid of the direct election of senators. I am though also a proponent of the classical liberal idea that governments are instituted to protect the rights of the individual and I have found myself challenged by the pandemic because issues of communicable diseases lie at that intersection of life and liberty. I should be able to do whatever I want so long as it doesn’t hurt you.

I also generally don’t like “the ends justify the means.” I keep asking about polio because it is such a clear and extreme example. You’re not going to find many people straight up saying “We would be better off with polio. We would be more free if thousands of kids were paralyzed each year.” I don’t like removing personal choice but how much is actually lost by telling people they can’t decide to get polio or any of the other diseases that are prevented by required vaccines?

 

[Wendy Pleakley]

Boosters would hardly be a shocking or negative development.

These vaccines were expedited for use. Many vaccines have a longer period between shots, there simply wasn't time to test if the second shot would be better at 6 months or 12 months or whatever, the goal was to get people protected as best possible as quickly as possible. The two-week interval is based on this premise, the ideal range may well be different.

And that's not even taking variants into account, which of course would be less of an issue if more people just got vaccinated and contributed to herd immunity.

 

[ImperfectPixie]

I like to consider myself a near anarchist. I don’t like the idea of government really doing anything and don’t think they tend to do things well. I even have crazy beliefs like I think we should get rid of the direct election of senators. I am though also a proponent of the classical liberal idea that governments are instituted to protect the rights of the individual and I have found myself challenged by the pandemic because issues of communicable diseases lie at that intersection of life and liberty. I should be able to do whatever I want so long as it doesn’t hurt you.

I also generally don’t like “the ends justify the means.” I keep asking about polio because it is such a clear and extreme example. You’re not going to find many people straight up saying “We would be better off with polio. We would be more free if thousands of kids were paralyzed each year.” I don’t like removing personal choice but how much is actually lost by telling people they can’t decide to get polio or any of the other diseases that are prevented by required vaccines?

The answer to your question is nothing. Nothing is lost at all.

Part of what gets me in this whole situation is that we've passed SO MANY laws protecting people from themselves...and even allow people to sue and be rewarded for being stupid...

...but we don't have the cajones to tell people "sorry, but religion has zero to do with medicine, this is a required vaccination".