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Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion
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Sirwalterraleigh
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I thought I saw where Costco was limiting to 50 people at a time?
You’d need SWAT to enforce that one
flynnibus
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PG County don't care...
danlb_2000
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For my local supermarket, you have to wait in line to get on thier web site, no joke...
flynnibus
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The area is basically a waterfront dining/shopping district. It's not a vacation destination.
People are hanging out there because they don't want to be at home... if you lived in a crappy DC or PG County apartment you'd want to be outside too.
This is what happens when you shutdown some areas... but not others.. the people that refuse to stay at home simply move to another area that isn't fully locked down.
The national mall is right around the corner from this place... all shutdown. This place simply is nearby and a big open area for people to go out and kill time and socialize.
Animaniac93-98
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Absolutely not.
Now, it *may* being flattening, but you can *absolutely not* say it is with just one day's total being less than the previous.
Just look at the chart, there were other days in which the number went down. Imagine if you proclaimed on that day, "The curve is flattening!!" You'd be absolutely wrong.
You can hope this is a sign of a flattening... but it is most likely not. The latest IHME projection still has Florida short over 800 ICU beds when it crests at the beginning of May.
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A very small extent. The word "trickle" gives that away.
Suppose WDW Parks President, Good-guy Josh, gets a $50M bonus. Now, how much of that money is going to 'trickle down' if he dines at V&A's every night. Sure, some, but just a trickle of that $50M.
Now, what if WDW spread that $50M amongst it's lowest-paying hourly employees? How much of that is going to 'trickle out' into the surrounding economy? Well, basically, almost all of it. Low income people don't squirrel* away the majority of their income and only let out a small trickle. They tend to spend it immediately in the local economy. Then all those merchants and service providers are getting an influx of that $50M. Then they use that extra income to give their employees raises or hire more people.
I'm not against letting entrepreneurs "create jobs," but if they use their money to buy a yacht, that's not a lot of jobs created. Fiscal policy for people with a lot of capital should reward investment in actual businesses and not reward luxury spending -- or be blind to what they're doing with that capital and hope they do the right thing and just hope for a trickle down. And if we need to goose the economy, then giving direct payments to lower economic classes (like the extra $600 in unemployment that the furloughed WDW employees are getting) is a better goose.
Indeed. The USD is today's gold standard. And it has power because of the world's faith in it, namely, it will continue to have worth. That's the nature of money. It's just paper or a number in an account. Worthless on its own without the context of what it means. And that context is the power of the U.S. economic engine (and military might to enforce that engine).
If the U.S. has to shut down that engine for two quarters and borrow against future quarters, it will do so. Who's going to stop accepting USD? Especially given the promise that this is just to get past the CV peak and the engine will be reignited when the time comes. Mostly everyone knows that's what you do when you lose your job... you borrow until you can get back to work. Then you pay it off.
Remember the good ol' days when we were about to hit the $1T mark in debt and the dire warning it would destroy the economy?
The debt is just an extension of the USD. Yeah, you don't want to go too crazy and create real hyperinflation. During good times, we should be working to strengthen the dollar by reducing debt. But in crises, you don't worry about that. The U.S. can do what smaller economies can't do: Make more money and be considered good for it. Currency is based on that faith.
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GoofGoof
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I pretty much gave up on online grocery orders. Even if you get a pickup time for a few weeks out (they stopped all delivery near me) literally half the order is missing. They have gone to “no substitutions” too so if you pick a specific brand of 1% milk they won’t replace it with whatever brand they happen to have. 2 times in a row the order was missing all meats, milk and a bunch of other stuff. All of it was available going into the store. I’m sure it’s overwhelming to work there during these times, but they really should just shut down online orders if it doesn’t work.
O, wow. Now I'm finally beginning to see how problematic it would be to take my boat out on water! My natural right to boating pales in comparison to how I might get COVID-19 or spread it to others! I'll gladly forego my right to boating!!
And now the talk is about the "Digital Dollar". That's going to work out well. We've completely moved past the gold standard. Not that it had even a remote shot of coming back. We'll be melting coins and clipping them soon. All roads lead.......and all that.
GoofGoof
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In no way did I suggest goosing the economy by giving money to higher earners. The context of the discussion was that Disney VPs making $200K+ a year should not complain about having their pay cut because they should have money set aside. I was just pointing out that if all of those people saved a lot more of their money that would have a negative impact on the economy in good times let alone in times like this. I’m not saying they should get anything from the government, but they do have a reason to gripe.
it’s also not about a single person who gets a $50M bonus. Lower level VPs making $200K aren‘t getting that. In your V&A example if All high earners chose to skip eating there then the waiters, bartenders, kitchen staff and everyone else associated with the place would be out of work. There’s a trickle down effect which is felt more at high end businesses.
Josh Hendy
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Flattening? Maybe not.
Something theme parks need to consider is social distancing baby strollers. These are germs and viruses waiting to happen..
MagicRat
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The problem may not be you, the problem is the few bad apple saying. From the picture in your twitter quote it shows the people packed up on the shore. That’s why it’s shut down because idiots can’t help themselves.
I have the same thing where I live. I live in Missouri wine country where there are numerous biking paths and nature walks. Even though the county and the State has shut down the parks people are flocking to them and to the allowable takeout restaurants right now. Where are they eating the takeout food? In the parking lot right next to car parked by them who is also eating in said spot. So these fools are aiding in prolonging the virus.
I apologize people are inconvenienced right now, but stay the .... at home. Listen to Sam Jackson.
Polynesia
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Interesting they mentioned earlier this year. That is very possible that many died of pneumonia and it was calculated in the seasonal flu. I have maintained that this virus has been here months before we started counting it.
Lots of positive info out there today!
NY new hospitalizations vs discharges peaked on April 1 and has been decreasing for 4 straight days now.
Many other hotspot areas today have seen decreased numbers (Chicago had fewer cases and deaths today vs yesterday even with increased testing.)
Deaths continue to increase nationwide - but that is a lagging number (these people were likely infected 18-21 days ago before lockdowns.)
I predict our resource needs (beds/ventilators) will start to decrease after this week. The question is what do we do next?! How do we re-open safely? No country has figured this out yet (even the asian countries have seen some increases over the past week.)
NY new hospitalizations vs discharges peaked on April 1 and has been decreasing for 4 straight days now.
Many other hotspot areas today have seen decreased numbers (Chicago had fewer cases and deaths today vs yesterday even with increased testing.)
Deaths continue to increase nationwide - but that is a lagging number (these people were likely infected 18-21 days ago before lockdowns.)
I predict our resource needs (beds/ventilators) will start to decrease after this week. The question is what do we do next?! How do we re-open safely? No country has figured this out yet (even the asian countries have seen some increases over the past week.)
The NYTimes is the harbinger of fear during this crisis. If I only read their reporting I'd think it was a zombie apocalypse and half the country was dead. Sensationalist articles.
Other research shows that we have been OVER reporting certain deaths (pneumonia etc.) No one really knows for sure - but the best way to look at it is examining weekly overall deaths by CDC and then breaking it down by flu/pneumonia/covid. Mixed results right now, should know more in a week.
It's pretty obvious that China's true death total was in the tens of thousands, and Italy is similar. Italy hasn't even been reporting the majority of their nursing home deaths as covid-19. Not enough resources.
Regardless, it will be fascinating to look at the overall deaths in each country vs normal times. You'll have less traumatic deaths, murders, traffic accidents, and flu. But higher pneumonia and covid-19.
MagicRat
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I apologize I misread your thought, after seeing the takeout place and the winery packed this weekend because my County is allowing takeouts, I sped read through your thoughts.
I live where homes are separated by 5 acres and seeing the amount of people going up my street right now to the nature bike trail is staggering.
I believe in exercise and drinking wine but run up your steps or jog in place for a month or so. You can bar hop between rooms if you need to feel like your going out. I have even seen families dress in formal attire for dinner to change things up.
Stay home!
flynnibus
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Ok, but don't sensationalize this. The story equates to "In the early phases of the outbreak, due to lack of testing, not all deaths may have been fully accounted for as covid-19". This highlights an inaccuracy in count -- not things like "attempts to obscure", or "this goes all the way back til...", or that this is a growing or ongoing problem now, or anything necessarily nefarious.
It's pointing out that with lack of testing, death numbers can also be inaccurate due to variations in procedures across the country. And note, it's not calling out that these inaccuracies are even statistically relevant... just points out that precision takes time, and that many are even trying to backtrack and tighten up their data.
Don't sensationalize what is effectively saying "early data may have been under reported due to variations in methods"
And it's completely ingenious to use this article when discussing the rate NOW.
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