Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

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DisneyCane

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My guess is that the ratio of covid-19 cases at that hospital is actually lower.
If that is the case then how can NY screen to get such a high positive test rate? You'd think people requiring hospitalization would pass any testing threshold.

New York either has some other way to confirm cases, they have created significantly better testing pre screening than anywhere else or the confirmed cases are based on statistical sampling. I don't see any other explanation but I'd like to know the answer.
 

George

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I'm sure they have a lot more cases, I'm just curious how they are confirming COVID-19.

What is Ohio's rate? Florida is just over 10%. I know for a fact that the actual positive test rate is low even in suspected cases that are hospitalized. That's why New York doesn't make sense.

Obviously the NYC metro area is a hot spot. I'd just like to know how they are confirming the data.

Well according to their department of public health they're all lab tests. You see the same thing in Florida. Miami-Dade has tested 12,211 people with 2,202 cases (18% positive), Palm Beach 616 positives out of 3,521 tests (17.4%), Broward 1,348 out of 12,170 (11.07%), Duval 239 out of 3,399 (6%), and Hillsborough 362 out of 4,824 (7.5%). Covid-19 prevalence and slight differences in the criteria for who gets tested affects the percentage of positives. I hope that helps or makes sense. There is a reason I'm a researcher and not a teacher like my parental units.
 
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orlandogal22

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I think that poster was more speaking of the way they do it. Everyone goes through so no one feels singled out, you feel more.like your things are being checked rather than you or at least, you do not see your stuff being sifted through. It may be more tansactional at times, but you will never feel randomly selected or like someone is making forced conversation while putting a wooden stick through your personal belongings as others get to just walk on by.

Yes! Thanks!

On multiple occasions at EPCOT, my adult brother (with nothing but his lanyard) set the detector off and you would have thought he was a criminal.

They pulled him aside, scanned him all over w/ the hand scanner - multiple times up and down, asked to see his already-emptied pockets, scanned his shoes, pants, shirt, etc. Hold your arms straight out. The hand scanner kept going off. We were standing there for literally minutes as they continually wanded him up and down asking him questions, if he had things in some unknown pocket, asking what was on his clothes, etc.

Turns out, one time it was a metal ring on his ballcap that set it off. Another time, security surmised it was his small belt buckle. Same scenario with the over-wanding both times.

But, it was unnecessary, over the top, and (mildly!) embarrassing...

Point is - there needs to be a better way for Disney to have people *consistently* go through security processes w/out these things happening, and including a better way for the security to differentiate between a *true* threat and a false one.

I'm 100% for doing whatever it takes to have a secure environment, but I think there are massive holes in Disney's security that, as someone else said, are rather easy to bypass. I often shudder to think of the sitting duck Disney Springs is.
 

DisneyCane

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I saw in an article somewhere that the labs in NY are prioritizing tests

1. People already hospitalized
2. Hospital workers
3. First responders

then everyone else.

I think elsewhere it’s more first come first served. The hospital doctors and nurses are getting much better at diagnosing COVID based on symptoms and x-rays than your average GP recommending a test. So their batting average is simply higher.

However, that still doesn't jibe with direct knowledge I have of one South Florida hospital. They treat suspected cases as if they are positive (for PPE requirements and isolation) until they are confirmed or not by test. These are people sick enough to need to be admitted to the hospital yet the percentage that end up positive for COVID-19 is very low. Far lower than NY's overall positive rate.
 

George

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However, that still doesn't jibe with direct knowledge I have of one South Florida hospital. They treat suspected cases as if they are positive (for PPE requirements and isolation) until they are confirmed or not by test. These are people sick enough to need to be admitted to the hospital yet the percentage that end up positive for COVID-19 is very low. Far lower than NY's overall positive rate.
Because Covid-19 isn't as prevalent at the South Florida hospital. Hopefully, it won't be as big a problem there.
 

hopemax

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If that is the case then how can NY screen to get such a high positive test rate? You'd think people requiring hospitalization would pass any testing threshold.

New York either has some other way to confirm cases, they have created significantly better testing pre screening than anywhere else or the confirmed cases are based on statistical sampling. I don't see any other explanation but I'd like to know the answer.

The hospital doctors and nurses in NY are saying the more patients they see the better their diagnosis are. They are starting to intuitively be able to tell based on what they see and hear. Nowhere else does anyone have that much experience.
 

DisneyCane

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Yes! Thanks!

On multiple occasions at EPCOT, my adult brother (with nothing but his lanyard on in the no bags line) set the detector off and you would have thought he was a criminal.

They pulled him aside, scanned him all over w/ the hand scanner - multiple times up and down, asked to see his already-emptied pockets, scanned his shoes, pants, shirt, etc. Hold your arms straight out. The hand scanner kept going off. We were standing there for literally minutes as they continually wanded him up and down asking him questions, if he had things in some unknown pocket, asking what was on his clothes, etc.

Turns out, one time it was a metal ring on his ballcap that set it off. Another time, security surmised it was his small belt buckle. Same scenario with the over-wanding both times.

But, it was unnecessary, over the top, and (mildly!) embarrassing...

Point is - there needs to be a better way for Disney to have people *consistently* go through security processes w/out these things happening, and including a better way for the security to differentiate between a *true* threat and a false one.

I'm 100% for doing whatever it takes to have a secure environment, but I think there are massive holes in Disney's security that, as someone else said, are rather easy to bypass. I often shudder to think of the sitting duck Disney Springs is.
The criminal-like treatment really p**sed my wife off one time a few months ago. First she was going to put her cell phone in the tray. They told her to keep it in her pocket. Of course, it set off the alarm (as she had nothing else metal on her). With their "high security tone" they instructed her where to stand and did the full wanding procedure and then blamed her for the cell phone setting it off. She is normally nice to people but answered in full on "b" mode. I'm surprised she controlled herself enough that she didn't end up in a serious argument with them.

They should apologize for the inconvenience of their stupid instructions.
 

Lilofan

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New York is a virus hot spot. They’ve been slammed hard.
Lots of eyes and attention is New York. By next week, it looks like Louisiana and huge crowds the last week of Feb in LA during Mardi Gras where the millions enjoyed themselves in their drunken and altered state of mind in the streets day and night didn't help.
 

Lilofan

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The criminal-like treatment really ****ed my wife off one time a few months ago. First she was going to put her cell phone in the tray. They told her to keep it in her pocket. Of course, it set off the alarm (as she had nothing else metal on her). With their "high security time" they instructed her where to stand and did the full wanding procedure and then blamed her for the cell phone setting it off. She is normally nice to people but answered in full on "b" mode. I'm surprised she controlled herself enough that she didn't end up in a serious argument with them.

They should apologize for the inconvenience of their stupid instructions.
You should have requested to speak with a security manager right then and there. One would have met with you if you requested. Immediate guest feedback is a good thing.
 

Lilofan

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Corona related, a record 6.6 million Americans applied for unemployment last week in addition to the 3.3 million Americans that applied 2 weeks ago. It's going to be a long hot summer. This is an economic cathastrophe. When the Disney executives were told they were all getting pay cuts, that's just the beginning for a business like Disney that is struggling and will continue to do so moving forward. Difficult decisions on how to operate the parks and resorts and how many cast actually needed to operate them lie ahead. I also can't see ESPN, Disney Cruise Line and ABC for all cast to survive this.
 
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orlandogal22

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The criminal-like treatment really p**sed my wife off one time a few months ago. First she was going to put her cell phone in the tray. They told her to keep it in her pocket. Of course, it set off the alarm (as she had nothing else metal on her). With their "high security tone" they instructed her where to stand and did the full wanding procedure and then blamed her for the cell phone setting it off. She is normally nice to people but answered in full on "b" mode. I'm surprised she controlled herself enough that she didn't end up in a serious argument with them.

They should apologize for the inconvenience of their stupid instructions.

Yep.

I just remembered also that - yet again at EPCOT - my LANYARD actually set it off around Christmastime. The metal on it.

I was wearing my EPCOT t-shirt, shorts w/ no pockets, and fliplops...and the lanyard. I was taken aside, wanded up and down repeatedly, and showed them my shorts didn't have pockets... I literally had NOTHING else on me. And was met with a rather snotty tone as well (as with my brother's situation) until they determined it must have been the lanyard - that I wear every.single.time without issue!

That's what I mean about consistency and being able to differentiate between true and false threat. How did the lanyard - that I've had for years and have gone in w/out issue all other times - suddenly set it off...

Was her situation at EPCOT too?

I think - all too often - we're met with either Mr. / Ms. "Official" Disney Security with unnecessary over-the-top attitude OR the way-too-chatty putting-on-a-show comedian security CM who is barely looking at anything.

Unfortunately, I seem to rarely encounter a security CM who is business-like, friendly, but thorough! And I welcome those.
 

mdcpr

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If that is the case then how can NY screen to get such a high positive test rate? You'd think people requiring hospitalization would pass any testing threshold.

New York either has some other way to confirm cases, they have created significantly better testing pre screening than anywhere else or the confirmed cases are based on statistical sampling. I don't see any other explanation but I'd like to know the answer.
Pre-screening in NY has been really good. I know a few cases that were not tested and the people just did a tele-health check and waited out at home until they got better.
 

DisneyCane

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Yep.

I just remembered also that - yet again at EPCOT - my LANYARD actually set it off around Christmastime. The metal on it.

I was wearing my EPCOT t-shirt, shorts w/ no pockets, and fliplops...and the lanyard. I was taken aside, wanded up and down repeatedly, and showed them my shorts didn't have pockets... I literally had NOTHING else on me. And was met with a rather snotty tone as well (as with my brother's situation) until they determined it must have been the lanyard - that I wear every.single.time without issue!

That's what I mean about consistency and being able to differentiate between true and false threat. How did the lanyard - that I've had for years and have gone in w/out issue all other times - suddenly set it off...

Was her situation at EPCOT too?

I think - all too often - we're met with either Mr. / Ms. "Official" Disney Security with unnecessary over-the-top attitude OR the way-too-chatty putting-on-a-show comedian security CM who is barely looking at anything.

Unfortunately, I seem to rarely encounter a security CM who is business-like, friendly, but thorough! And I welcome those.

Yes, my wife's situation was at Epcot as well. Maybe it's an issue there with some "bad apples." I've never had an issue at another park. MK has been smooth. I don't think we've ever had to go through the metal detector at AK (good luck?) and it's been a while since we've been to the studios.
 

orlandogal22

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Yes, my wife's situation was at Epcot as well. Maybe it's an issue there with some "bad apples." I've never had an issue at another park. MK has been smooth. I don't think we've ever had to go through the metal detector at AK (good luck?) and it's been a while since we've been to the studios.

Interesting.

Yes, no one in my immediate family has ever had the issue at MK, AK, or HS either.
 

George

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The criminal-like treatment really p**sed my wife off one time a few months ago. First she was going to put her cell phone in the tray. They told her to keep it in her pocket. Of course, it set off the alarm (as she had nothing else metal on her). With their "high security tone" they instructed her where to stand and did the full wanding procedure and then blamed her for the cell phone setting it off. She is normally nice to people but answered in full on "b" mode. I'm surprised she controlled herself enough that she didn't end up in a serious argument with them.

They should apologize for the inconvenience of their stupid instructions.
OK...this is the covid-19 unrelated anecdote I wanted to tell before heading off to work. Well, logging into work. In my line of work, I occasionally have to give presentations (oral or poster). I actually prefer oral (wait that sounds terrible...I prefer giving a talk) to the poster because its less prep work. Anyway, there are two things that need stating here. 1) I was on the Carlos the Jackal list for a while. Don't know why. I wrote a letter to DHS, my name was taken off and they told me that I would never know. This was during the Dubya administration. The story I'm about to relay is one of two events that caused me actually write a letter and do something. The other was that coming home from a trip to WDW, my family was able to do bag check at whatever resort we were at and I had to haul my stuff to the airport and go through super security. 2) This particular conference was in Rome and I was doing both types of presentation. I had my poster made (3-5 feet high, 5-7 feet wide, rolled up in a poster tube...I've been to a couple of conferences where posters are portrait. Terrible idea. Imagine if some text like the conclusions are at your knees or thighs, but I digress), but was unprepared for my talk so I traveled with a laptop (weight = 86 pounds) and a bunch of papers (weight = I should've looked like Schwarzenegger by the time this was over). In essence, I was overpacked. I do get rid of stuff on a pleasure or work trip. For example, maybe I sleep in an old undershirt. I might discard it before coming home. Same for books I finish, etc. I should note, I don't always discard. Somethings are gifts. Like the books. Not the old undershirt. However, on this trip my whitey tighties were new and I couldn't bare to part with them. So, after wearing, I just shoved them in the poster tube for the flight back. The night before the flight back I ate something that made me "tummy rumbly" to use the official medical term. When I got to the airport in Rome I was detained, pulled aside, and questioned by 4 dudes with uzis slung over their shoulders. They were accompanied by 4 doberman pinschers. The whole time they were questioning me I had to go to the bathroom. I mean, really go. The first 3 times I asked, my request was denied. The fourth time, I said, "Please shoot me or let me go to the bathroom." They let me go. Anyway, when I came out, they were holding up my poster tube and the one guy who spoke English well was asking me what this could possibly be for. I told him. He didn't believe me. So, in one of the most surreal moments of my life I watched as he reached into the tube, pulled out each individual pair of underwear, and held them up so the overhead fluorescent light shone through. I don't think in reality it took this long, but it seemed like each pair of underwear was examined for 20 seconds. Finally, they set me free. They seemed sympathetic by the end of the process because I was really sick and mostly harmless.
 

nyrebel3

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Yes, my wife's situation was at Epcot as well. Maybe it's an issue there with some "bad apples." I've never had an issue at another park. MK has been smooth. I don't think we've ever had to go through the metal detector at AK (good luck?) and it's been a while since we've been to the studios.

We were there the week WDW closed. The procedures may have changed since you last visited. Now everyone has to go through the metal detectors. They no longer ask you to pass your cell phone outside the metal detectors in the dish. Instead they ask you to hold your phone over your head as you pass through. The metal detectors have visual alarms in height segments. So if your cell phone above your head sets off the alarm, there are red LED lights that indicate where the metal is. My cell phone case (magnetic) set off the alarm every time and they didn't check me further because there was no alarm around my body. My son's phones were 50%/50% and they were not wanded either.

I wish the bag check theatrics would hurry up. I always get in the line where they check every backpack compartment and then every bag in each compartment. Or I need to scan the line to avoid the guests with the backpacks that would make an Everest climber proud! :)
 

monykalyn

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Universal should use X-Ray machines since its right nearby to Pine(Crime) Hills and can attract the bad element.
Universal does use X-ray machines at Citywalk entrances. And you still have bag check and metal detector to walk through at resort entrances. At some point every guest goes through a metal detector. Not even sunglasses stay on head.
Or, perhaps simply its just that NYC really does have a lot more cases.
With 3? 4? Super busy international airports wouldn’t surprise me if NY was “super seeded”.
symptoms common to covid-19 the percentage that have it vs. something else is low.
Anecdotally- there is still a nasty none-CV19 bug going around. Of roughly 300 LTC residents in my nursing homes I go to I can name 10 right off top of my head that were tested for CV19 and all negative. Same symptoms including leading to pneumonia- but thankfully this pneumonia responding to antibiotics. The nursing homes in my area have had restricted visitor status for around 2 weeks now and somehow still getting this bug.
my LANYARD actually set it off around Christmastime. The metal on it.
My Universal lanyard sets off metal sector to Hulk and RRR every time. I have a couple UOAP buttons on it - they are tiny but it’s enough. I have to hand it to a TM before I walk through. Wonder if your machine was set to super high detect mode?;)

wish I’d thought of the school April fools day prank on my kids:hilarious:
 

Patcheslee

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Plant wide email: First confirmed case at my work today, work area sanitized, close contacts to the person have been notified last day the person had been there was March 30th but had fever and sent home. Now everyone else is just supposed to resume working :confused: .My department has been off all week due to the schedule changes, we go back tomorrow. Have a feeling there will almost be a mutiny when my coworkers find out. (I'm the only one with authorized access to email at home)
 
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