Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

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seascape

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What kind of a joke did the federal government just make. While I do not know the exact number of students in the public school systems, I do know that saying the federal government will provide 5 millions tests a month to schools has to be a joke. A quick google search reveals NYC alone has over 1 million students and that the federal government estimates their will be 50.7 million students in the Fall.. Some here have said students should be tested 3 times a week. That would mean NYC alone needs 3 million tests a week or 12 million tests every 4 weeks. Even testing every public school student once a week will require approximately 200 million tests a month, not 5 million.
 

JoeCamel

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What kind of a joke did the federal government just make. While I do not know the exact number of students in the public school systems, I do know that saying the federal government will provide 5 millions tests a month to schools has to be a joke. A quick google search reveals NYC alone has over 1 million students and that the federal government estimates their will be 50.7 million students in the Fall. 10 students once a month is proper testing. Some here have said students should be tested 3 times a week. That would mean NYC alone needs 3 million tests a week or 12 million tests every 4 weeks. Even testing every public school student once a week will require approximately 200 million tests a month, not 5 million.
Why do you think the feds are the only source of tests?
 

seascape

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Why do you think the feds are the only source of tests?
The feds are not the only source, Thank God. Lets look at the numbers, using the 3 times a week proposal many have made. With 50 million students that would be 150 tests a week or 600 million every 4 weeks. The wonderful proposal of 5 million a month is less than 1% of the number needed. Do you think the federal government should provide less than 1% of the needed tests? Even if we only tested once a week 5 million tests out of a needed 200 million is only 2.5%. That is a complete joke.

Correction. the proposal is actually 5 million instant tests and an addition 5 million lab conducted PCR test
So it's less than 2% and 5% respectively. still too low but better.
 
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Touchdown

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I was reading about T-cell exhaustion the other day and they’ve been extensively researching it for decades in regards to diseases like HIV, I’m not sure there’s been any research into potential exhaustion caused by vaccines though.

As with a lot of things regarding Covid I think the science is still trying to catch up, how could they possibly know how long antigens will last when they’ve never tested these vaccines and boosters long term? Likewise how could they possibly know if multiple boosters could cause the same type of immune exhaustion they’ve seen with repeated exposure to virus cells without testing the hypothesis? I think this is where politics is too involved, politicians want to look like they’re doing something so they are influencing scientists to make statements on science they haven’t completed yet.

It’s frustrating to get apparently contradictory information but that’s to be expected with evolving science. I don’t think it’s anything to be suspicious of but it is worth keeping up with ever evolving recommendations and also smart to look at how our immune system has reacted to previous viruses.
T cell exhaustion? With HIV it’s (helper) T cell genocide. HIV is a virus that only attacks that cell line, cd4 cell count is a way to measure how many of those cells you have and the severity of your disease is based on how many you have left. What happens in HIV is very different then any other infection.
 

JoeCamel

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The feds are not the only source, Thank God. Lets look at the numbers, using the 3 times a week proposal many have made. With 50 million students that would be 150 tests a week or 600 million every 4 weeks. The wonderful proposal of 5 million a month is less than 1% of the number needed. Do you think the federal government should provide less than 1% of the needed tests? Even if we only tested once a week 5 million tests out of a needed 200 million is only 2.5%. That is a complete joke.
So if the feds suck up all the tests then what will the GP use? There is a production limit. I think the feds should have gone all in with the DPA and had national guard out in force testing/ vaccinating and tracing. The tracing is too big a job up to this point so get the numbers down then it might have a chance.
 
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Patcheslee

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Thank you.

How do you think the citizens of BC would react if something similar came in to play there? My understanding is you have a very high vaccine uptake. Would it be received differently if applied to 18+ vs 12+ vs 5+?

Privately insured here in the US would probably lose their minds (at least the vocal minority). But the majority would grumble and loudly complain if COVID related premiums, copays, and deductibles went up for everyone just to appease the unvaccinated few.
Our employer sponsored premiums doubled. What use to be $28/week family with $6k high deductible went to $52 for same coverage. They cited increased health care needs. Compared to the 75 cent/hour yearly raise, we pretty much didn’t get a raise this year.
So I only have to stay away from "Most" people ;)
I've been training for this my whole life lol
 

DisneyDebRob

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The feds are not the only source, Thank God. . Lets look at the numbers, using the 3 times a week proposal many have made. With 50 million students that would be 150 tests a week or 600 million every 4 weeks. The wonderful proposal of 5 million a month is less than 1% of the number needed. Do you think the federal government should provide less than 1% of the needed tests? Even if we only tested once a week 5 million tests out of a needed 200 million is only 2.5%. That is a complete joke.

Correction. the proposal is actually 5 million instant tests and an addition 5 million lab conducted PCR test
So it's less than 2% and 5% respectively. still too low but better.
The problem is.. people will complain about anything, no matter who is in office. If they said we are sending out 1 test to every school, you would hear the uproar of one test? What’s wrong with these people? That will do nothing! Send out 5 million to people then you would hear that’s not nearly close to enough! Send out a billion then the.. who’s paying for this? Do we really need to do this?
It’s a no win situation for whoever is in office deciding these things. Some argue they shouldn’t be sending out any tests.. others say every person should have 5 per month. What’s the answer? Depends on where you sit with the whole COVID situation mostly I think. People that are for “ let it rip” I’ve found don’t want to spend the money for sending people tests. The other side where they are masking everywhere thinks it’s a good idea.
 
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Nubs70

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What kind of a joke did the federal government just make. While I do not know the exact number of students in the public school systems, I do know that saying the federal government will provide 5 millions tests a month to schools has to be a joke. A quick google search reveals NYC alone has over 1 million students and that the federal government estimates their will be 50.7 million sutudents in the Fall. I guess that means Biden believes testing 1 out of every 10 students once a month is proper testing. Now, I know this sounds political but this is not. I would say the same against any leader that made such a stupid plan. Some here have said students should be tested 3 times a week. That would mean NYC alone needs 3 million tests a week or 12 million tests every 4 weeks. Even testing every public school student once a week will require approximately 200 million tests a month, not 5 million.
Just like the 500 million test kits promised weeks ago. Just by arithmetic, one can see the government is beyond their abilities.
 

drizgirl

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I’m defining vaccine promotion as passports to access non essential activity.

It’s the only thing thus far that is clearly evidenced based to significantly increase vaccine rates without actual mandation.

We’ve tried many other lesser measures like incentives (cash) and those do not move the meter sufficiently in the willing, but apathetic group.
Vaccine promotion and passport support are two entirely separate things. I’m sure you know you can be for one and not the other.
 

tpoly88

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I’m not for mandates but you should use your common sense on this. I think everyone on both sides of the aisle are getting hyped up with the news coverage of what channel they watch. My wife and I got the JNJ shot last spring , we both had side effects from it for a couple of months, we got covid in July , took the no no of ivermectin and antibiotics. We were done with it in 72 hrs as a result of the medication and having the shot. We did not get the booster As my dr told me to wait and my antibodies were high. Went to Disney on NYD had fun and my wife and I had omicron a couple days later. Didn’t even know we had it and got tested as we were going to a friend whose daughter was about to have a baby. We are both negative now. I’m going by what works and not what all the idiots on the tv are saying. I know 50 people that had covid in the last 2 weeks and none of them had any symptoms to speak of. They were all vaccinated so I have to think it makes the severity much less but you’re going to get it mask or no mask if you’re around people that have it ( it goes in through the eyes too!). I have other facts from my dr friends here but my post is getting too long. Bottom line talk to your dr and do what you think is best for your health condition. The shot will lessen the severity from all that I know and been told but it’s not going to 100% protect
 

Chip Chipperson

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This happened in mid-December, and it was followed by a false declaration on his travel form (his claim that this was the result of an innocent error rings hollow in light of his admission about the interview). Yes, the interview has nothing to do with the tournament, but I don’t think selfish liars who have no qualms about knowingly exposing others to COVID deserve to compete in such events. He had my sympathy for a while there when it seemed the Australian government was moving the goalposts, but he’s lost it all now.

Also, his "apology" was just to put all the blame on his agent for filling out the form incorrectly "accidentally," without acknowledging that he had to sign the form himself so any "mistake" ultimately falls on him. Had he said, "I didn't look over the form closely enough before signing it, so that's my fault," then I might believe him. As it stands now? He seems to be taking the Aaron Rodgers approach of, "I'm the real victim here!"
 

Lilofan

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But it’s not just opposition to mandates we see. Over and over we have people claiming that being unvaccinated isn’t just a choice, but a choice that should be honored and respected.
We should respect the anti vax choice if they don't want the shot. Some including some I know who had succumbed and are struggling to survive ( a few I know ) the virus wish they had not made that choice.
 
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