Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[wdisney9000]

Will you please stop. I said it was a knee jerk reaction.. I also said due process needs to be done. But where’s there smoke there’s usually fire and enough healthcare people, parents and his own words are giving off a lot of smoke. Let it play out as you say, I’m in agreement. I’ll also take a dole whip next visit to Disney from you if and when they get him.
By the way, I’m a small business owner also and require anyone that works for me to be vaccinated, the opposite of you. I don’t believe your anti-vax but I take the opposite approach. For the safety and health of my clients I enforce it.
Different approaches is all

I sincerely appreciate response.. But just to clarify I'm not certain as to what you mean when you tell me to stop? Your original post AKA knee jerk reaction said absolutely nothing about due process. You simply stated that he should be arrested. There was no mention of due process.

I appreciate that you later responded that due process is necessary, but You can't be selective in your memory of how you originally responded.

Is it not also extremely selective to claim that "when there is smoke there is fire" in regards to the chiropractor but you don't apply the same belief towards the CDC or Fauci? There is so much smoke around the CDC, Fauci, WHO, etc that you can't even see them. And again, im not claiming they're right or wrong, im just saying nobody knows the truth.

 

[wdisney9000]

That’s where we started, then our office has had outbreaks affecting whole departments, most of whom were unvaccinated. Beginning this week they’ll now require proof of vaccinations or submitting weekly test results.

All fine and dandy to have people make their own decisions until it impacts the working environment and a lot more than their immediate health.

We haven't had an outbreak. We didn't have an outbreak last year either. Two employees tested positive last year and took time off and now they're fine. No outbreaks.

We haven't required masks either, not last year or now. Shouldn't that have caused a huge problem according to the science? Why hasn't it?

 

[DCBaker]

46,000? Is that a few days of results ?

Yes - Florida dump of data to the CDC. The CDC has not yet updated the tracker (that will happen on Tuesday).

 

[disneygeek90]

We haven't had an outbreak. We didn't have an outbreak last year either. Two employees tested positive last year and took time off and now they're fine. No outbreaks.

We haven't required masks either, not last year or now. Shouldn't that have caused a huge problem according to the science? Why hasn't it?

Delta is different, obviously. We didn’t have outbreaks last year but once school started this year it all took off. We are also an office in Orlando.

 

[Heelz2315]

"Florida on Monday reported 46,105 more COVID-19 cases and 1,064 additional deaths to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, according to Miami Herald calculations of CDC data.

All but 51 of the newly reported deaths, about 95%, occurred after Aug. 9, according to the Herald analysis. About 64% of the newly reported died in the past two weeks, the analysis showed. The majority of deaths happened during Florida’s latest surge in COVID-19 cases, fueled by the delta variant.

In the past seven days, on average, the state has added 346 deaths and 17,570 cases each day, according to Herald calculations of CDC data.

Around the state, 256 hospitals reported 13,773 people hospitalized for COVID-19 in Florida on Sunday, according to data released by the U.S. Department of Health & Human Services. That’s 155 fewer patients than the previous day’s report.

COVID-19 patients took up 23.95% of patient beds available in reporting hospitals.

Of those hospitalized, 3,183 people were in intensive care unit beds, a decrease of 31 from the previous day’s report. That represents 48.51% of the ICU hospital beds in the 256 reporting hospitals."

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/coronavirus/article254037598.html

what was the positivity rate? Anyone know?

 

[MisterPenguin]

As I was emphasizing amid the booster hype train...

New Zealand eases Covid restrictions outside its largest city.

www.nytimes.com

Biden’s plan for booster shots won’t move ahead until regulators sign off, a top White House official says.​

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The Biden administration will only offer Covid-19 booster shots once federal health regulators offer their support, the White House chief of staff said on Sunday, reiterating a pledge from administration officials.​

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“I want to be absolutely clear,” Ron Klain, the chief of staff, said on CNN’s “State of the Union” news program. “No one’s going to get boosters until the F.D.A. says they’re approved, until the C.D.C. advisory committee makes a recommendation.”​

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The pledge followed a report on Friday by The New York Times that top federal health officials had told the White House to scale back the planned booster campaign, arguing that regulators needed more time to collect and review all the necessary data.​

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In August, the Biden administration announced a plan to start offering boosters the week of Sept. 20 to adults who had received their second shot of the Pfizer-BioNTech or Moderna vaccine at least eight months earlier. In making the announcement, the administration said the plan was contingent on clearance from the Food and Drug Administration and recommendations from a Centers for Disease Control and Prevention advisory committee.​

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Some health experts have argued that before starting a booster program, the administration should push first to reach more unvaccinated Americans who have been stricken hardest by the highly contagious Delta variant in both hospitalizations and deaths.​

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Regulators are just beginning to review critical data that will help them determine how to proceed on the issue of boosters. Pfizer finished its booster application to the F.D.A. less than two weeks ago, and Moderna said on Friday that it had just completed its own.​

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Dr. Anthony S. Fauci, the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, said on the CBS news program “Face the Nation” on Sunday that it was possible that only the Pfizer-BioNTech booster would be approved by Sept. 20. But he said that any delay in clearing the Moderna booster would be only a few weeks at most.​

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The F.D.A. has already authorized a third dose of the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines for people who are immuno-compromised.​

 

[Heppenheimer]

For every parent that goes to this man, who writes out a exemption, then collects visit money, then bills the insurance company for whatever they charge hurts all of us. The more I think about the more I think it is fraud. Wonder what color his new Porsche will be.

I'm pretty sure few insurance plans reimburse for chiropractic visits any more. The profession's history of shady billing practices and false claims of disease treatment kind of killed their insurance golden goose a few decades ago. Something tells me this guy probably operates a cash-only business.

 

[JoeCamel]

I'm pretty sure few insurance plans reimburse for chiropractic visits any more. The profession's history of shady billing practices and false claims of disease treatment kind of killed their insurance golden goose a few decades ago. Something tells me this guy probably operates a cash-only business.

I was surprised to see my bare bones Cigna plan covers some care. Maybe I will see if they really provide lasting relief or just a boomerang of therapy

 

[Heppenheimer]

I was surprised to see my bare bones Cigna plan covers some care. Maybe I will see if they really provide lasting relief or just a boomerang of therapy

The pain relief from chiropractic manipulation generally doesn't last, if it gives the patient at least some temporary relief and keeps them off opiates, that's a good thing in my book.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Plenty of doctors have questioned the CDC and Fauci. Should the CDC and Fauci be prevented from continuing to guide us? There is even clear evidence of their mistakes. They've even admitted to them.

And please understand, im not saying the CDC or Fauci should be silenced, although I personally believe they are tyrants, it doesn't matter. I'm not a judge. Its not my place. Hence I don't aim, "arrest them"! Which was my point to the original post I responded to.

People have the right to feel any way they choose. But when they start deciding to.be judge/jury/executioner, its a problem.

A medical doctor questioning another medical doctors is world’s different than a chiropractor questioning and making diagnoses.

Arrest is also part of due process, only requires probably cause and comes before the trial.

 

[GoofGoof]

46,000? Is that a few days of results ?

I believe it said Friday, Saturday and Sunday so 3 days of data.

 

[GoofGoof]

That’s where we started, then our office has had outbreaks affecting whole departments, most of whom were unvaccinated. Beginning this week they’ll now require proof of vaccinations or submitting weekly test results.

All fine and dandy to have people make their own decisions until it impacts the working environment and a lot more than their immediate health.

This is the realization most companies are coming to. Some will suffer due to the political bias of the people in charge, but ultimately most will adopt this policy. It’s in the best interest of the workers, the company itself and all of society.

 

[GoofGoof]

The best drive is going south to the outer banks driving Route 13. I’ve been doing it for 30 years and I know I’m getting close when I’m driving through Virginia and see a hundred shacks up and down the road with the big wooden signs, shacks falling down and they all sell the same thing. Cigarettes, fireworks, boiled peanuts and ham. They have been there forever and always brings a smile to face. So if you need cigs and ham you know where to go.

Pies too. All kinds of pies.

 

[Polkadotdress]

A complaint was filed and the legal process will commence. This is how it should work. Not people calling for a person to immediately be jailed because they don't like it.

Other professionals have questioned his actions, so I think it goes beyond slanted journalism. I agree that this is one for the courts to decide, but I don't think he should be allowed to continue issuing exemptions while the issue is being investigated.

What he's doing *should* be considered illegal, as he's treating patients, some of whom have never even been seen by him, for an ailment that is not part of the chiropratic world.

From the 2nd article that was posted:

"The school district has since amended it’s exemption form, to clarify only medical doctors, osteopathic physicians and advanced nurse practitioners can sign them."

"Busch has not produced chiropractic records “showing diagnosis and the need for exemption or even for a chiropractic need. "Busch’s actions need to be investigated. “He’s not directly treating these conditions and he should have referred them back to a specialist that are treating those individuals for those conditions,” she said."

 

[GoofGoof]

A medical doctor questioning another medical doctors is world’s different than a chiropractor questioning and making diagnoses.

Arrest is also part of due process, only requires probably cause and comes before the trial.

I did not want to get into the middle of that semantics argument, but I’m not sure how arresting someone is outside of due process. You can be arrested (as long as there is probable cause) and ultimately not get charged for any number of reasons, arrested and charged but found not guilty at trial or arrested, charged and found guilty. It’s all part of the legal due process. If there is no probable cause that a crime was committed then there’s no arrest.

 

[LittleBuford]

Pies too. All kinds of pies.

This reminds me an episode of The Simpsons I recently watched. It's the one where they move to the country and Homer creates tomacco. In a couple of scenes, Marge (in her new country persona) tries to sell mincemeat pies by the side of the road. I was very surprised to learn that there is an American equivalent of what we in the UK call mince pies (though ours are usually small and almost exclusively associated with Christmas).

 

[Patcheslee]

American Airlines will no longer allow unvaccinated employees to apply for pandemic leave.

American Airlines ends coronavirus pandemic leave for unvaccinated employees

The Texas-based carrier informed employees of the new policy after the U.S. Food and Drug Administration gave full approval to Pfizer’s COVID-19 vaccine.

www.foxbusiness.com

 

[GoofGoof]

American Airlines will no longer allow unvaccinated employees to apply for pandemic leave.

American Airlines ends coronavirus pandemic leave for unvaccinated employees

The Texas-based carrier informed employees of the new policy after the U.S. Food and Drug Administration gave full approval to Pfizer’s COVID-19 vaccine.

www.foxbusiness.com

Do we know if they are requiring periodic testing for employees? If they are being tested regularly by the employer than this is OK, if not it’s a bad idea. Unvaccinated people who test positive privately will be more likely not to report it to their employer and return to work before the proper quarantine period if they don’t get paid for time off. If they are tested by the employer they can’t hide the positive test results. IMHO don’t go half way, just mandate the vaccine for all workers and offer pandemic leave for anyone with a breakthrough infection. Much easier.

 

[disneygeek90]

American Airlines will no longer allow unvaccinated employees to apply for pandemic leave.

American Airlines ends coronavirus pandemic leave for unvaccinated employees

The Texas-based carrier informed employees of the new policy after the U.S. Food and Drug Administration gave full approval to Pfizer’s COVID-19 vaccine.

www.foxbusiness.com

This is what all companies should be doing that could really start driving numbers. Vaccinated and get covid? Take the recovery and time off you need. Unvaccinated and get covid? Better have some vacation saved up.

It’s also incredibly unfair for vaccinated healthy workers needing to pick up the slack while their unvaccinated covid coworkers are out on sick leave.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

Just got back from a quick three-night getaway and I have to say I desperately hope that Disney isn't planning on leaving the plexiglass dividers in the switchback queues up permanently. They look absolutely horrible. Bad show, and they're so inconsistent with them that I wonder what the point is.