Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[mmascari]

Can someone explain why the deaths of people who have been vaccinated are now differentiated as dying WITH COVID and dying OF COVID yet for a year deaths were not differentiated between the two types? Had there been a consistent differentiation would the number of 'COVID' deaths be a lot less?

Where have you seen that distinction?

 

[GoofGoof]

Where have you seen that distinction?

From this guy?

 

[sullyinMT]

Can someone explain why the deaths of people who have been vaccinated are now differentiated as dying WITH COVID and dying OF COVID yet for a year deaths were not differentiated between the two types? Had there been a consistent differentiation would the number of 'COVID' deaths be a lot less?

Does it matter? We have consistently been above the threshold for expected deaths since last spring. Nationally, weekly total deaths are FINALLY approaching the upper bound for that figure, meaning we’re FINALLY getting ahold of the situation from a death standpoint.

Whether it’s classified as “with” or “of,” the public health reality is that COVID at a minimum exacerbated preexisting conditions or the aging process or whatever and directly or indirectly caused way more death than we were expecting last year.

 

[DCBaker]

"CVS Health announced on Thursday that it will allow people who get vaccinated at its stores, have gotten vaccinated at its stores or show they to do so to enter a sweepstakes giveaway for a variety of prizes, including a trip to the Super Bowl, $5,000 to fund a family reunion, cruises or cash."

"CVS, which is calling the sweepstakes #OneStepCloser, said everyone 18 and up who gets vaccinated or intends to do so at CVS or through a CVS clinician at a long-term care facility, Return Ready clinic or off-site clinic is eligible.

The sweepstakes begin June 1 and continue until July 10, but people vaccinated before June 1 are also eligible, spokesman Joe Goode said.

The drugstore chain, which has administered more than 17 million vaccines so far, said it is giving away more than a thousand prizes.

They include 125 $500 giveaways, five $5,000 family reunions, 100 seven-day cruises for two on Norwegian Cruise Line, and a VIP trip to Super Bowl LVI in Los Angeles for two people from Procter & Gamble."

CVS to offer sweepstakes for COVID vaccine recipients as freebies become increasingly popular incentive

CVS Health announced on Thursday that it will allow people who get COVID vaccines at its stores to enter a sweepstakes for prizes like cash or trips.

www.usatoday.com

 

[GoofGoof]

Does it matter? We have consistently been above the threshold for expected deaths since last spring. Nationally, weekly total deaths are FINALLY approaching the upper bound for that figure, meaning we’re FINALLY getting ahold of the situation from a death standpoint.

Whether it’s classified as “with” or “of,” the public health reality is that COVID at a minimum exacerbated preexisting conditions or the aging process or whatever and directly or indirectly caused way more death than we were expecting last year.

Agreed. It’s vaccine or bust and the vaccines are winning. We are almost out of this and it’s a great thing.

 

[GoofGoof]

"CVS Health announced on Thursday that it will allow people who get vaccinated at its stores, have gotten vaccinated at its stores or show they to do so to enter a sweepstakes giveaway for a variety of prizes, including a trip to the Super Bowl, $5,000 to fund a family reunion, cruises or cash."

"CVS, which is calling the sweepstakes #OneStepCloser, said everyone 18 and up who gets vaccinated or intends to do so at CVS or through a CVS clinician at a long-term care facility, Return Ready clinic or off-site clinic is eligible.

The sweepstakes begin June 1 and continue until July 10, but people vaccinated before June 1 are also eligible, spokesman Joe Goode said.

The drugstore chain, which has administered more than 17 million vaccines so far, said it is giving away more than a thousand prizes.

They include 125 $500 giveaways, five $5,000 family reunions, 100 seven-day cruises for two on Norwegian Cruise Line, and a VIP trip to Super Bowl LVI in Los Angeles for two people from Procter & Gamble."

CVS to offer sweepstakes for COVID vaccine recipients as freebies become increasingly popular incentive

CVS Health announced on Thursday that it will allow people who get COVID vaccines at its stores to enter a sweepstakes for prizes like cash or trips.

www.usatoday.com

Hey Rite Aid....I like the Super Bowl too. Step it up fellas

 

[Willmark]

I'm not a hoaxer at all, but I'm also not an alarmist.

There have been plenty of things we should have done better, plenty of things we did right, and plenty of things we did that were ineffective or pointless. I feel we should be able to discuss these like adults.

But I see the U.S. at least, at the point where the system is in a positive reinforcement loop. Opening back up is highly unlikely to disrupt the system again. Since societal risk is likely no longer a factor, it comes down to personal risk assessment now.

This is correct in every particular.

 

[Wendy Pleakley]

Imagine being in a country where hospitals are full, where people are begging for vaccines that haven't arrived yet, and seeing Americans needing to be bribed with lotteries, cruise giveaways, and other prizes in order to get what is readily available in numbers many countries can only dream about.

Yeah, it's a necessary evil to incentivize holdouts, but it's an ugly look.

 

[michmousefan]

Any concern over variants is media driven hogwash. Michigan exploded because they opened back up, not because of variants. Texas opened up last September (not in March) and exploded.

Michigan *did* reopen too fast... particularly restaurants, who were ignoring/downplaying the indoor dining protocols left and right, but *also* because of variants. At one point in March/April we were second only to Florida in the number of *identified* dominant variant (whichever one it was) cases. There were likely many more that were unidentified.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Imagine being in a country where hospitals are full, where people are begging for vaccines that haven't arrived yet, and seeing Americans needing to be bribed with lotteries, cruise giveaways, and other prizes in order to get what is readily available in numbers many countries can only dream about.

Yeah, it's a necessary evil to incentivize holdouts, but it's an ugly look.

yep...we’re definitely “leading from behind” on this one

 

[Lilofan]

That's fine, but has nothing to do with the point I was making about the NY Times and what they would like to report.

Yep, that pesky Watergate and the Pentagon Papers was something they were frowned upon in reporting...

 

[danlb_2000]

Where have you seen that distinction?

That is how the CDC reports it. In the table below it lists 353 deaths of people who were vaccinated but still got infected, but the second note says that 63 of those cases were not related to COVID, meaning that they died with Covid not from it. My guess for why they do this is that the hospitals are a reliable source of breakthrough case data, so they report the breakthrough whether it actually caused the hospitalization/death or not.

 

[danlb_2000]

I'm not saying ignore them. Track them, study them, but make public policy decisions based on confirmed threats, not potential threats. That's me looking at this through a systems engineering window.

The variants can be a threat in two ways, increased transmissibility and resistance to immunity. The first one is already confirmed, we know that certain variants are more transmissible so it's important to be aware of the impact that will have on case rate, and thus what public policy needs to be. As for the second thread, once it's confirmed it will likely be to late.

 

[DisneyCane]

Can someone explain why the deaths of people who have been vaccinated are now differentiated as dying WITH COVID and dying OF COVID yet for a year deaths were not differentiated between the two types? Had there been a consistent differentiation would the number of 'COVID' deaths be a lot less?

Where have you seen that distinction?

From this guy?

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The CDC:
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7021e3.htm

Edit: @danlb_2000 beat me to it.

 

[Parker in NYC]

Imagine being in a country where hospitals are full, where people are begging for vaccines that haven't arrived yet, and seeing Americans needing to be bribed with lotteries, cruise giveaways, and other prizes in order to get what is readily available in numbers many countries can only dream about.

Yeah, it's a necessary evil to incentivize holdouts, but it's an ugly look.

Oh, I’m not surprised by any of it. That was made clear before it started. That’s why I don’t follow the science. I follow the stupidity and shine a bright light on it ASAP.

 

[Texas84]

Texas was hit hard after we opened up in September. Anecdotal for sure, but I know a lot of people who got sick but didn't get tested. Likely a result of Texas culture, don't need to go to the doc unless necessary - "I don't need a test to know I'm sick or have Covid."

The only thing that has really affected Covid is immunity (whether through natural means or vaccination)

Side note: I have both forms of immunity

Nothing to do with opening. The entire US was hit at the same time regardless of lockdown status. Georgia never fully closed and we had the same peaks and valleys as every other state. You could argue that lockdown states were hit harder than the open states.

 

[danlb_2000]

Nothing to do with opening. The entire US was hit at the same time regardless of lockdown status. Georgia never fully closed and we had the same peaks and valleys as every other state. You could argue that lockdown states were hit harder than the open states.

What we don't know is if the peaks would have been even higher without the lockdowns.

 

[GoofGoof]

As of the CDC report today (reflecting vaccinations through yesterday) we are at 49.9% of the total US population with at least 1 shot so today we will officially be able to say that the majority of Americans have at least started the vaccine process

We also hit 62% of adults with 1 shot. Climbing slowly, but still going up.

 

[Tom P.]

As of today, West Virginia has reached 50% of the total population having received at least one dose, with 40.6% being fully vaccinated. For the 12+ category (everyone who is eligible), it is at 57.5% with at least one shot and 46.7% fully vaccinated. And for the 65+ group (highest risk), it is at 83.2% with at least one shot and 73.6% fully vaccinated. Good stuff!

 

[MickeyLuv'r]

"CVS Health announced on Thursday that it will allow people who get vaccinated at its stores, have gotten vaccinated at its stores or show they to do so to enter a sweepstakes giveaway for a variety of prizes, including a trip to the Super Bowl, $5,000 to fund a family reunion, cruises or cash."

"CVS, which is calling the sweepstakes #OneStepCloser, said everyone 18 and up who gets vaccinated or intends to do so at CVS or through a CVS clinician at a long-term care facility, Return Ready clinic or off-site clinic is eligible.

The sweepstakes begin June 1 and continue until July 10, but people vaccinated before June 1 are also eligible, spokesman Joe Goode said.

The drugstore chain, which has administered more than 17 million vaccines so far, said it is giving away more than a thousand prizes.

They include 125 $500 giveaways, five $5,000 family reunions, 100 seven-day cruises for two on Norwegian Cruise Line, and a VIP trip to Super Bowl LVI in Los Angeles for two people from Procter & Gamble."

CVS to offer sweepstakes for COVID vaccine recipients as freebies become increasingly popular incentive

CVS Health announced on Thursday that it will allow people who get COVID vaccines at its stores to enter a sweepstakes for prizes like cash or trips.

www.usatoday.com

So, I have to dare to ask, are we now going to see people getting extra shots, or attempting to get extra vaccine shots, so they can enter one of these contests? I mean, I just came from the FP thread, people supposedly did all kinds of things to get extra FP, and that was just to skip a 20minute wait.

People will do all kinds of crazy things to win prizes.

I predict it is just a matter of time....