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DisneyDebRob

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Interesting study, still needs peer review. More contagious but not more deadly.
 

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Heppenheimer

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Interesting study, still needs peer review. More contagious but not more deadly.
At least, if the mutation only resulted in a higher density of spike proteins, and not a fundamental change in the structure of the proteins, this shouldn't change the efficacy of the vaccines under study right now. In theory, it could even make them more effective if it gives the antibodies more antigens to target.
 

GimpYancIent

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Interesting study, still needs peer review. More contagious but not more deadly.
Ugh. Since this illness came on scene an army of medical experts has arisen with a broad spectrum of opinions based on an equally broad series of studies, with more either underway or being developed. On top of that there are more so called experts reviewing and debating those opinions. In short A LOT OF WHEEL SPINNING producing a lot of smoke, no forward progress. The mask issue should not be an issue (wearing masks in public makes sense) Duh! because how the disease spreads is no longer news. All the social distancing and sanitation / disinfecting protocols make sense. Vaccines are in the works just not ready for mass distribution and they are not 100% effective. Got it! The stat no one wants to speak of is the most important one that in the neighborhood of 99.6% of the people that contract the illness resolve, get better, recover. Why is that not emphasized instead of the gloom, doom and sadness? No one is denying that some people die from COVID19 that is a hard fact that also applies to a host of other infections that existed prior to COVID, you know what!, those other infections are still with us. I wish people did not die from infections a sad fact that sometimes happens. COVID19 is not an automatic death sentence it is a serious illness that can be dealt with, yes respected, but not feared. WDW has set a high bar to deal with this issue and continue to function with the capability to have more activities.
 

TJ Vazquez

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In the Parks
No
Ugh. Since this illness came on scene an army of medical experts has arisen with a broad spectrum of opinions based on an equally broad series of studies, with more either underway or being developed. On top of that there are more so called experts reviewing and debating those opinions. In short A LOT OF WHEEL SPINNING producing a lot of smoke, no forward progress. The mask issue should not be an issue (wearing masks in public makes sense) Duh! because how the disease spreads is no longer news. All the social distancing and sanitation / disinfecting protocols make sense. Vaccines are in the works just not ready for mass distribution and they are not 100% effective. Got it! The stat no one wants to speak of is the most important one that in the neighborhood of 99.6% of the people that contract the illness resolve, get better, recover. Why is that not emphasized instead of the gloom, doom and sadness? No one is denying that some people die from COVID19 that is a hard fact that also applies to a host of other infections that existed prior to COVID, you know what!, those other infections are still with us. I wish people did not die from infections a sad fact that sometimes happens. COVID19 is not an automatic death sentence it is a serious illness that can be dealt with, yes respected, but not feared. WDW has set a high bar to deal with this issue and continue to function with the capability to have more activities.
I think many times, even in your own very post, what gets lost in all this is that it seems that death is the only barometer of how serious this virus is. 99.6% you say recover, get better or resolve but what percent of that are folks that had the most brutal virus of their lives, whether it be a few days, weeks or in some cases months. This virus is still new, so yes you will always have many medical experts theorizing, and that is ok, that is how you learn more about the virus, even if the theory is wrong and disproven, because you can at least rule out certain theory's.
 

DisneyDebRob

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Ugh. Since this illness came on scene an army of medical experts has arisen with a broad spectrum of opinions based on an equally broad series of studies, with more either underway or being developed. On top of that there are more so called experts reviewing and debating those opinions. In short A LOT OF WHEEL SPINNING producing a lot of smoke, no forward progress. The mask issue should not be an issue (wearing masks in public makes sense) Duh! because how the disease spreads is no longer news. All the social distancing and sanitation / disinfecting protocols make sense. Vaccines are in the works just not ready for mass distribution and they are not 100% effective. Got it! The stat no one wants to speak of is the most important one that in the neighborhood of 99.6% of the people that contract the illness resolve, get better, recover. Why is that not emphasized instead of the gloom, doom and sadness? No one is denying that some people die from COVID19 that is a hard fact that also applies to a host of other infections that existed prior to COVID, you know what!, those other infections are still with us. I wish people did not die from infections a sad fact that sometimes happens. COVID19 is not an automatic death sentence it is a serious illness that can be dealt with, yes respected, but not feared. WDW has set a high bar to deal with this issue and continue to function with the capability to have more activities.
I was just posting a recent finding that needs to be looked at more.

As for the rest of your post, I think most people know the percentage of people that recover. That doesn’t need to be the headline. Whether it’s 1% or 10% or anything in between that may die from this, the most important thing is finding a cure. That should be the headline daily.
You also left out although the percentage is low of people actually dying, there are thousands left with ailments that will be with them the rest of their lives by most reports. So finding a solution is priority one.
 

danlb_2000

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Ugh. Since this illness came on scene an army of medical experts has arisen with a broad spectrum of opinions based on an equally broad series of studies, with more either underway or being developed. On top of that there are more so called experts reviewing and debating those opinions. In short A LOT OF WHEEL SPINNING producing a lot of smoke, no forward progress. The mask issue should not be an issue (wearing masks in public makes sense) Duh! because how the disease spreads is no longer news. All the social distancing and sanitation / disinfecting protocols make sense. Vaccines are in the works just not ready for mass distribution and they are not 100% effective. Got it! The stat no one wants to speak of is the most important one that in the neighborhood of 99.6% of the people that contract the illness resolve, get better, recover. Why is that not emphasized instead of the gloom, doom and sadness? No one is denying that some people die from COVID19 that is a hard fact that also applies to a host of other infections that existed prior to COVID, you know what!, those other infections are still with us. I wish people did not die from infections a sad fact that sometimes happens. COVID19 is not an automatic death sentence it is a serious illness that can be dealt with, yes respected, but not feared. WDW has set a high bar to deal with this issue and continue to function with the capability to have more activities.

Yes most people recover, but what we don't have good handle on yet is what is the prognosis for the ones that survived. How many have permanent damage? How many years will the virus cut off the life expectancy. Most people who get Chicken Pox recover, but 40 or 50 years later it can come back to bite them. Currently just to many unknowns.
 

dreday3

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I was just posting a recent finding that needs to be looked at more.

As for the rest of your post, I think most people know the percentage of people that recover. That doesn’t need to be the headline. Whether it’s 1% or 10% or anything in between that may die from this, the most important thing is finding a cure. That should be the headline daily.
You also left out although the percentage is low of people actually dying, there are thousands left with ailments that will be with them the rest of their lives by most reports. So finding a solution is priority one.

Yes most people recover, but what we don't have good handle on yet is what is the prognosis for the ones that survived. How many have permanent damage? How many years will the virus cut off the life expectancy. Most people who get Chicken Pox recover, but 40 or 50 years later it can come back to bite them. Currently just to many unknowns.

Where are the reports/studies of the chronic conditions from Covid?

I'm being serious with that question. I've read anecdotal reports on social media sites, seen various headlines on news-sites, but I've not seen an actual study.

I'd like to know the severity and types of the chronic conditions.
 

Heppenheimer

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Don't expect any vaccine to be granted emergency use prior to December, at the absolute earliest:


It doesn't seem that the drug companies are the ones pushing for a faster timeline, so this probably won't affect their plans. Rather, it seems to be a move by the FDA to strengthen itself against political interference.
 

Rosso11

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I don't understand these lists.

Illinois has had a positivity rate of 3.5% for the past week. I think the highest we came in the last couple months was 5.2%

Right but Illinois’s positivity rate is still too high as a percentage of their population. It’s at 14.7 per 100,000 right now. It needs to drop below 10. The state has been above 10 since 7/23 but it is down from its high of 19.2 on 9/5.
 

DisneyDebRob

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Where are the reports/studies of the chronic conditions from Covid?

I'm being serious with that question. I've read anecdotal reports on social media sites, seen various headlines on news-sites, but I've not seen an actual study.

I'd like to know the severity and types of the chronic conditions.
There are hundreds of reports from health institutions on this. Here’s just one from the Mayo Clinic.
 

GimpYancIent

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Yes most people recover, but what we don't have good handle on yet is what is the prognosis for the ones that survived. How many have permanent damage? How many years will the virus cut off the life expectancy. Most people who get Chicken Pox recover, but 40 or 50 years later it can come back to bite them. Currently just to many unknowns.
Correct! Since these lingering questions will realistically be with us for years and solutions are continuously being worked the general populous can (observing proper, prudent protocols) get back to living and not just existing. Nothing wrong with going to MK and enjoying a Dole Whip while watching little ones marvel at the castle or a glimpse of Mickey. Sometimes little feel good things can have great therapeutic value.
 

LukeS7

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Ugh. Since this illness came on scene an army of medical experts has arisen with a broad spectrum of opinions based on an equally broad series of studies, with more either underway or being developed. On top of that there are more so called experts reviewing and debating those opinions. In short A LOT OF WHEEL SPINNING producing a lot of smoke, no forward progress. The mask issue should not be an issue (wearing masks in public makes sense) Duh! because how the disease spreads is no longer news. All the social distancing and sanitation / disinfecting protocols make sense. Vaccines are in the works just not ready for mass distribution and they are not 100% effective. Got it! The stat no one wants to speak of is the most important one that in the neighborhood of 99.6% of the people that contract the illness resolve, get better, recover. Why is that not emphasized instead of the gloom, doom and sadness? No one is denying that some people die from COVID19 that is a hard fact that also applies to a host of other infections that existed prior to COVID, you know what!, those other infections are still with us. I wish people did not die from infections a sad fact that sometimes happens. COVID19 is not an automatic death sentence it is a serious illness that can be dealt with, yes respected, but not feared. WDW has set a high bar to deal with this issue and continue to function with the capability to have more activities.
Out of reported cases, globally, ~3% of people who have contracted it have died. In the US, that number is 2.91% (or approximately 7 times the number that you're claiming). That's without factoring in those who don't die but suffer longer-lasting effects from the virus.

Source: https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6
 

TJ Vazquez

Well-Known Member
In the Parks
No
Where are the reports/studies of the chronic conditions from Covid?

I'm being serious with that question. I've read anecdotal reports on social media sites, seen various headlines on news-sites, but I've not seen an actual study.

I'd like to know the severity and types of the chronic conditions.
No offense, but a simple google search will provide all studies about the potential long term effects.
 

dreday3

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There are hundreds of reports from health institutions on this. Here’s just one from the Mayo Clinic.

Thanks but I'm looking for statistics/percentages.

It's not I don't believe it happens, I just want to know overall, the big pictures, how many is it happening to.
 

dreday3

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No offense, but a simple google search will provide all studies about the potential long term effects.

I've been.

I think I'm looking for something different than what you guys are talking about. Or at least there isn't enough data out there yet to give me the answers I am seeking.
 
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dreday3

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Right but Illinois’s positivity rate is still too high as a percentage of their population. It’s at 14.7 per 100,000 right now. It needs to drop below 10. The state has been above 10 since 7/23 but it is down from its high of 19.2 on 9/5.

Thanks for explanation.
 

Heppenheimer

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I've been.

I think I'm looking for something different than what you guys are talking about.
I don't think anyone has written one summary article yet, since the numbers are continually being defined and updated, and a lot of this depends on exactly which clinical question is being aksed.

Not every one of these articles are on-point for exactly what you are asking for, but here's search list I came up with:

 

LukeS7

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I've been.

I think I'm looking for something different than what you guys are talking about.
Some percentages listed in this article, but the data is limited at the moment: https://www.advisory.com/daily-briefing/2020/06/02/covid-health-effects
Tl;dr: One study found cardiovascular damage in 12% of patients, another of 415 cases found 19% had it. Another study found 77% of patients had lung scarring, ground glass-esque patches in their lungs that don't always heal.
 

GimpYancIent

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Out of reported cases, globally, ~3% of people who have contracted it have died. In the US, that number is 2.91% (or approximately 7 times the number that you're claiming). That's without factoring in those who don't die but suffer longer-lasting effects from the virus.

Source: https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6
Ok. Globally 100% - 3% = 97% resolved / recovered. In the U.S. 100% - 2.91% = 97.09% resolved / recovered. Thank you for reinforcing my point. As for after effects COVID19 holds no exclusive a host of infections leave serious life long issues. In no way shape or form is that dying but issues medical science continuously works on.
 

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