Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[Incomudro]

It's really easy to see all the fear, uncertainty and doubt being bandied about. The media is exacerbating the hypochondriasis experienced by some into a state of fugue. Its a horrible echo chamber effect.

People don't know, attempt to self diagnose themselves, cant pick between cold, allergy, flu or just normal and immediately go for Corona-19 as their malady.

Public psychosis.

People are hoarding water.
We're not going to run out of running water.
It's crazy.

 

[danlb_2000]

I get Springs staying open but why keep the resorts open if the parks are closed? I imagine most everyone that had a trip planned between March 16 through the end of March isn’t going to come down and do a resort only stay.

Guess I could see them trying to entice locals to do a staycation at cheap rates??

People at WDW tend to do longer stays, especially foreign visitors, so they may be doing that to accommodate people who are there now and can't easily leave.

 

[MisterPenguin]

I did in multiple places.

This is the historical weather

February weather - Winter 2025 - Tehran, Iran

February weather for Tehran, Iran: In Tehran, Iran, in February, during 8.5 rainfall days, 28mm (1.1") of precipitation is typically accumulated. As Tehran, Iran, steps into February, the average high-temperature holds at a frosty 7.4°C (45.3°F), hinting at a minor fluctuation from the prior month.

www.weather-atlas.com

And this was the weather this year, February 2020 when it would have been spreading at its peak prior to the current outbreak.

https://www.accuweather.com/en/ir/tehran/210841/february-weather/210841

Both confirm the same thing. Highs 50s and lows 30s. Sometimes lows in the 20s. Where did you get your weather data? Maybe I am looking at the wrong Tehran, but it says Iran.
I completely agree that warm weather is unlikely to stop this but we just don’t know.

Historical averages aren't historical recordings. I checked in on Tehran and weather was in the 50s and 60s this week.

Maybe it's my Northeast bias, but, that's Spring and Fall weather, not 'cold.' Cold to me is snow weather.

But, that's the problem of such statements about "warm weather" or "cold weather" affecting infection rates.

And, yes, we agree that its effect is negligible.

And certainly in the Southern Hemisphere that is just coming out of their Summer and the tropical areas of the globe are getting CV19... and I think we can all agree those are currently warm climes.

 

[NickMaio]

23% of Italy's population is over 65 years old and it's the older and already unhealthy that are at risk. It's apples to oranges to paint with a broad brush. Italy has a much greater chance for dire consequences based on their population. That's why they're doing that. The media is making it out like it's an automatic death sentence to all who get it. It's not. You literally have a 99.5% chance of living. That's hardly something worth the general population getting in a tizzy over. If businesses want to do what they feel is best for them then I have no problem with that but it's the fear mongering coverage of it and the idiots that get their "news" from social media that are making this teeny tiny mole hill into Everest meets McKinley. I'm not a gambler but I would almost bet that not one single person on here knows one single person that has this. I also would bet that most people on here eat unhealthy in general and have zero fear of diabetes even though it kills hundreds of thousands every year. So does heart disease. So do strokes. So does cancer. Yet how many are taking drastic measures to fight against those things that kill WAY more people every year AND day than this thing will ever dream of. I understand people fearing the "unknown" but this thing is so out of proportion it's not even funny. WHY do people need stockpiles of toilet paper for a disease that might make your nose run?! It would be like saying "well my diabetes is taking my eyesight so I guess I better stock up on every book in the library..." People are acting irrationally.

Look at the stats for critical care - - that is , you are in the hospital on a ventilator.........Much higher than 4%
Two weeks in quarantine or self isolation - - - this is not just about dying!

It is about shutting cities down, and pushing your hospitals beyond their limits,
Imagine if 1/4 to 1/2 of your hospital staff acquires the virus - - - they are at home. Not attending to the sick.

Look at the bigger picture here, not just death.
Do your own reading, don't just get your news from fox or CNN........, use google and get information from medical sites.

This is not being blown out of proportion - - - closing public spaces down is the first step......You don't want your communities to get to the other steps!

You should trust people in the medical community - - -they have seen what has been happening first hand.

 

[ABQ]

Half Life Alyx (a VR game) comes out on the 23rd!

I own no VR equipment, but anything HL is probably work going for. Also, Black Mesa finally came out with version 1.0 on Steam.

 

[ImperfectPixie]

And that is why I no longer get on Facebook. Forums can get pretty heated at times and there is pretty rampant misinformation but Facebook is truly the worst for misinformation. I found that on Facebook you can get ganged up on pretty quickly if you have an unpopular opinion by someone’s friends unlike forums where it is a much larger spread of people and most aren’t friends rather than everyone having a concentrated opinion by virtue of being “friends” on Facebook.

Facebook is awful about misinformation and their anti-bullying policy is garbage. There are groups made with the specific intent of targeting individuals and harassing them (in real life and online - affecting their jobs), and Facebook does NOTHING to stop them. Their reporting system is also often broken.

 

[MisterPenguin]

People are hoarding water.
We're not going to run out of running water.
It's crazy.

Crazy is the people who only drink bottled water thinking its safer than tap*, and that's why they're hoarding it.


*Yes, there are municipalities with bad city water or their wells have gone bad. They're a small minority and they know who they are.

 

[Nubs70]

I work exclusively in an ICU taking care of critically ill patients. There are days when I am out of vents (ventilators) and CPAPs and High flow nasal canulas and forcing people who may have benefited from another day of higher level therapy, but have had to bump them off a little early and push them because I needed that vent. There are only so many vents in a hospital. And hospitals can already run out of them BEFORE the corona virus. There are only so many ECMO circuits in a given area. (ECMO is total cardio respiratory support). Most hospitals have 0 as they are only in the highest level care centers such as an academic center. If this strikes in a rural area.... this would be a complete disaster of epic proportions as rural communities have extremely limited resources. (I practice in a rural community) Even then, top hospitals may have between just 2-4 of these ECMO circuits and one of those is reserved for backup in the event of circuit failure. (I am sure if corona hit we would eliminate the requirement to have a backup). Point is the death rate in Wuhan was so high because they were just out of life saving equipment. The death rate when this disease is slowed is much improved around 0.7 percent. But if you look at the overwhelmed health systems like Italy and China this becomes a disaster because there just isn’t enough equipment to go around. It is imperative we slow this disease to give the hospitals the ability to cope otherwise many deaths that would otherwise be avoidable WILL occur.

My wife is an RN at a very large hospital with many smaller "feeder" hospitals in the outlying communities in a 90 mile radius. The current plan is to house COVID patients at the outlying hospitals. She voiced the exact concerns you have stated above.

 

[Incomudro]

Crazy is the people who only drink bottled water thinking its safer than tap*, and that's why they're hoarding it.


*Yes, there are municipalities with bad city water or their wells have gone bad. They're a small minority and they know who they are.

I do filter my water with a ZeroWater filter pitcher.
It turns my New Jersey water into Fiji water.

 

[NickMaio]

23% of Italy's population is over 65 years old and it's the older and already unhealthy that are at risk. It's apples to oranges to paint with a broad brush. Italy has a much greater chance for dire consequences based on their population. That's why they're doing that. The media is making it out like it's an automatic death sentence to all who get it. It's not. You literally have a 99.5% chance of living. That's hardly something worth the general population getting in a tizzy over. If businesses want to do what they feel is best for them then I have no problem with that but it's the fear mongering coverage of it and the idiots that get their "news" from social media that are making this teeny tiny mole hill into Everest meets McKinley. I'm not a gambler but I would almost bet that not one single person on here knows one single person that has this. I also would bet that most people on here eat unhealthy in general and have zero fear of diabetes even though it kills hundreds of thousands every year. So does heart disease. So do strokes. So does cancer. Yet how many are taking drastic measures to fight against those things that kill WAY more people every year AND day than this thing will ever dream of. I understand people fearing the "unknown" but this thing is so out of proportion it's not even funny. WHY do people need stockpiles of toilet paper for a disease that might make your nose run?! It would be like saying "well my diabetes is taking my eyesight so I guess I better stock up on every book in the library..." People are acting irrationally.

Your point makes ZERO sense - - - - - Those issues you bring up are not CONTAGIOUS - - - at all !!!
This virus is !!!!!!!!!

 

[ImperfectPixie]

Crazy is the people who only drink bottled water thinking its safer than tap*, and that's why they're hoarding it.


*Yes, there are municipalities with bad city water or their wells have gone bad. They're a small minority and they know who they are.

But it comes from a natural spring in the mountains!!!

Seriously...the bottled water thing is insanity and people buying into marketing bull at its finest. When we bought our house and realized we didn't like how the tap water tasted, we put a filter on the faucet. Problem solved.

 

[NickMaio]

My buddy's wife got breast cancer when she was 35 and when she was on chemo they highly recommended that she stay out of large crowds because her immune system was really compromised and it could complicate things. It's the "pre existing conditions" that are getting people with this. I just want to know of a case where a perfectly healthy person got this and was dead in a matter of days. I want to know of all the confirmed cases of all the people from the crowd where Rudy Gober was playing basketball that now have the virus since people are acting like if they get within 100 yards of it they're gonna fall over dead.

The Dr. who founded this virus was young and in good health - - He died a week after contacting it from viral pneumonia.
And many others world wide - - - - The virus has also in some cases, caused organ failure. This is not just an elderly virus.

 

[MisterPenguin]

But it comes from a natural spring in the mountains!!!

Seriously...the bottled water thing is insanity and people buying into marketing bull at its finest. When we bought our house and realized we didn't like how the tap water tasted, we put a filter on the faucet. Problem solved.

I consider people who buy bottled waters for all their water-drinking (and not for convenience when they're away from a tap) or who buy lottery tickets as people who've failed an IQ test.

 

[John park hopper]

Unless you are buying the high priced bottled water from the springs of timbuktu much of it is just filtered tap water

 

[Giss Neric]

People now are hoarding toilet paper that my friend texted me that he had to use the bidet to wash cause toilet papers are running out where he lives. He ended up loving it more than toilet paper.

 

[MisterPenguin]

Unless you are buying the high priced bottled water from the springs of timbuktu much of it is just filtered tap water

Much is just the tap water, already filtered by the local municipality!

 

[ImperfectPixie]

I consider people who buy bottled waters for all their water-drinking (and not for convenience when they're away from a tap) or who buy lottery tickets as people who've failed an IQ test.

We buy *maybe* a case every month-and-a-half for hubby's lunches. He wanted to switch to all bottled because he's gullible as hell (but would never admit that), but this was one of the few instances in which I was able to change his mind.

 

[LAKid53]

I haven't watched a second of news or heard one thing from a politician. And yes, I do keep up with the CDC. The issue is in your bolded. 5.0% admitted to the ICU. The concern is not really the number of deaths directly from the virus (which we do not know yet), it's the overwhelming of the hospitals.

Italy is in real trouble with it:


In Seattle:


Worries from Harvard:


If hospitals are overwhelmed, now you are affecting people well beyond those with COVID-19. That is why you have seen the responses you have seen in other countries. And that is why there is such worry by the experts here.

When doctors are estimating between 75 million and 150 million will be infected, that's staggering. 150 million is nearly half the US population. With a current mortality rate of 2.3% in the US, at the low end, that's 1,762,500 deaths. FAR eclipsing the seasonal flu.

 

[John park hopper]

We buy *maybe* a case every month-and-a-half for hubby's lunches. He wanted to switch to all bottled because he's gullible as hell (but would never admit that), but this was one of the few instances in which I was able to change his mind.

Bet if you refilled one of the water bottles and gave it to him in his lunch he would not know the difference Ha Ha

 

[NickMaio]

Based on what I've seen, we are closing everything because health experts say there is still a chance to contain this outbreak. That is something that is no longer possible with the cold and flu, there is always cold and flu in the world. But the experts think these steps could isolate, contain, eliminate? this particular virus. Whether they are right or wrong about that, and weather these steps will work remains to be seen. But because this is a new virus strain, we are trying to contain it so it doesn't become as common as flu.

This situation is very different because we do not have a vaccine yet - - - like we do with the other influenzas.