Rich Brownn
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The state did not force DL to close. In fact, it, along with hospitals, theaters and public transport were exempted from the order (which is voluntary right now anyways). Disney opted to close it on their own.
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ImperfectPixie
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I think they are, but politics and personal feelings are being allowed to get in the way.
I actually left my last job because after being sick for 4 days, I took my then 15-month old son to the pediatrician on the way to work because his bronchitis wasn't improving and the doctor called 911, put us in an ambulance and sent us to a hospital 30 miles away instead of the one 3 miles away because the further hospital has a pediatric ER. I called my boss from the back of the ambulance to give them an update and was gifted with a manatory 2 week, unpaid vacation at the beginning of a December. Upon my return-to-work date, I sent them a polite e-mail stating that I felt we'd all be better off if I looked for work elsewhere. (Mind you, I'm the kind of employee that WANTS to learn and is willing to stay late, come in early, etc. etc...and I was STILL treated like this.) Bosses like this are far more common than people are willing to admit.
MuteSuperstar
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Way too early to tell if that's a given, unfortunately.
LittleBuford
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This. The measures we’re seeing have less to do with the deadliness of coronavirus itself (thank goodness the large majority of cases are mild) than with preventing a spike in infections that would put an incredibly damaging strain on hospital resources.
Casper Gutman
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Optics, my dear boy, optics.
VaderTron
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For goodness sake...it's not about you or the ones who are OK. It's about the ones who are getting hurt. If someone drives their car into a crowd of people we don't say, "It's fine. The driver is OK and so are 99% of those in the crowd. A few died, but no worries. They would have died at some point anyway." So why would we be OK with allowing potentially sick people to wander through crowds with reckless abandon potentially infecting someone who doesn't have the ability to live through the illness? The optics shouldn't have to be graphic to tell you when something is morally wrong.
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Wild Mister Toad
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Italy has the oldest average population in the world and a cruddy healthcare system
I'm in the same boat as far as the vacation likely being canceled. I expect that, if the parks are actually closed, Disney will extend Annual Passes for some period of time. I suspect the fine print indicates that they don't have to do that, but I think they will anyways. Will it be long enough for you to make a return trip and use the extra time...well, maybe not.Soooo spring break ain't happening. Planned March 25-30, just going ahead and preparing for parks to be closed and us cancelling. Passes expire March 31...wish I could get them to give me 5 more days when this is over with
Dukeblue1227
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I understand it's obviously an incredibly difficult decision because of
You are correct, for about 80% of people who get it, it will not be much more than a mild inconvenience and that's great.
However for about 10% of people it will be severe, needing hospitalization in "normal" circumstances but not being able to get it, and the other 10% will require ICU, of which about 30% of those will die. What we're seeing in Italy right now is their hospitals cannot handle that 10%, and is therefore deciding who lives and who dies. Doctors signed up for a life of trying to help people and cure the sick, they're not soldiers, they're not heads of military, is it really fair for them to be forced to choose who lives and who dies right now? Is that alone not enough to "drive the world mad" that these people were put into this position?
The reason people are seemingly "overreacting" is for the common good of that latter 10% of people. It's really great and wonderful for those people who can comfortably know they'll fall in the 80% and be fine, but for those people who then ignore the reality and severity of this and go on as if nothing is happening, they're the reason this is continuing to spread. The cases in the US are absolutely not 1200, the US is refusing to test people in an effort to keep numbers down and manage the economic impact. The numbers in the US is likely 10, 20, maybe 50 fold what we're hearing. It will only continue to spread as people are not taking it seriously enough.
The efforts companies are taking are to limit the strain on our healthcare system to prevent what is currently happening in Italy, which maybe by the numbers you think is insubstantial, but when you hear first hand accounts is heart wrenching and terrifying. Will this have an economic ripple effect which will be felt for a long time, yes absolutely. However throughout decades the world has dealt with downturns in economic growth and dealt with hard times. The responsible thing to do is put that on hold for the safety and livelihood of people across the globe, or else this will never be contained. A vaccine is at least a year away, by containing it now we can prevent catastrophe. If they were not able to contain it and it reaches infection numbers close to that of H1N1 you could be talking about deaths in the tens of millions.
The reason you'll be able to return to this thread in six months feeling high and mighty is because of the actions being taken now. They are a necessary step to trying to contain this.
You are correct, for about 80% of people who get it, it will not be much more than a mild inconvenience and that's great.
However for about 10% of people it will be severe, needing hospitalization in "normal" circumstances but not being able to get it, and the other 10% will require ICU, of which about 30% of those will die. What we're seeing in Italy right now is their hospitals cannot handle that 10%, and is therefore deciding who lives and who dies. Doctors signed up for a life of trying to help people and cure the sick, they're not soldiers, they're not heads of military, is it really fair for them to be forced to choose who lives and who dies right now? Is that alone not enough to "drive the world mad" that these people were put into this position?
The reason people are seemingly "overreacting" is for the common good of that latter 10% of people. It's really great and wonderful for those people who can comfortably know they'll fall in the 80% and be fine, but for those people who then ignore the reality and severity of this and go on as if nothing is happening, they're the reason this is continuing to spread. The cases in the US are absolutely not 1200, the US is refusing to test people in an effort to keep numbers down and manage the economic impact. The numbers in the US is likely 10, 20, maybe 50 fold what we're hearing. It will only continue to spread as people are not taking it seriously enough.
The efforts companies are taking are to limit the strain on our healthcare system to prevent what is currently happening in Italy, which maybe by the numbers you think is insubstantial, but when you hear first hand accounts is heart wrenching and terrifying. Will this have an economic ripple effect which will be felt for a long time, yes absolutely. However throughout decades the world has dealt with downturns in economic growth and dealt with hard times. The responsible thing to do is put that on hold for the safety and livelihood of people across the globe, or else this will never be contained. A vaccine is at least a year away, by containing it now we can prevent catastrophe. If they were not able to contain it and it reaches infection numbers close to that of H1N1 you could be talking about deaths in the tens of millions.
The reason you'll be able to return to this thread in six months feeling high and mighty is because of the actions being taken now. They are a necessary step to trying to contain this.
MuteSuperstar
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That's simply untrue.
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Ontario schools to shut down for two weeks after March Break to fight the spread of COVID-19
Unprecedented move taken amid growing concerns about spread of COVID-19.
European hospitals don't necessarily have a larger capacity for infectious disease. They have a higher number of beds per person (a lot of this is because it is more rare to find 1 patient rooms in many countries.) I'm not sure if I've read anywhere how many isolation or negative-pressure rooms US hospitals have vs Europe, and that would be the real comparison to make. These rooms are more expensive, and it wouldn't surprise me if US hospitals had more of them (we tend to spend more on hospitals, tech, equipment.)
WEDway Inc & Company LLC
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Sounds familiar. Especially the second half.
Wild Mister Toad
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Most experts see a nail for their hammer and generally don’t know much...especially if they are a politician or bureaucrat
rnese
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This thread is a microcosm of the world we live in today. So, I either think the world must come to a screeching stop, or we should just ignore everything. Whichever isn't going to get me mocked or called names.
Seriously. It's NOT the end of the world. And, it's NOT something worth criticizing those who are working day and night to come up with solutions. The truth lies somewhere in between. What ever happens, whatever decision are made by WDW, government...whomever. Do YOUR job. Play YOUR role.
Seriously. It's NOT the end of the world. And, it's NOT something worth criticizing those who are working day and night to come up with solutions. The truth lies somewhere in between. What ever happens, whatever decision are made by WDW, government...whomever. Do YOUR job. Play YOUR role.
Wild Mister Toad
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I’d put our healthcare system (especially for emergency care) against any in the world.
Wild Mister Toad
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The panic in this thread is palpable
Well a lot of them are full time unionized so...
VaderTron
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Well now...they didn't MAKE you refuse the insurance. You knew the risks and decided to play the game. Let's leave the blame where it belongs. Though I would still say there is a good chance they will provide a refund as long as Disney is willing to refund them the DVC points.
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