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Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion (Now with optimism!)

DisneyDebRob

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That's putting an awful lot of faith in those mitigation methods.
Personally, if I was at all afraid of covid - I would not go to a place as crowded as WDW gets, simply putting my trust in masks, and distancing.
I respect your opinion but as I said, it’s not all about you and me. Many families feel differently. With the low crowds and masking they may have felt it was ok.
 

Nickp1983

Well-Known Member
Agreed with who? Did you read the post or are you using “hyperbole” because it’s the new catch phrase word going around on some cable news shows.
You only have to take almost every poll taken over the last 2 weeks to see how people feel about loosening mitigation’s to much at once. Now expand that and yes, there are probably thousands in Disney thinking that. Again, I’m not saying it’s not science, I’m strictly speaking on how people feel. Takes time to change people’s habits, minds and alike after a year of this. Because you and many here believe it’s perfectly alright and you have no problems with it, doesn’t mean there that many that think the opposite. Right or wrong.
I think it’s great that we are at this point, my problem was the 12 hr period Disney put it in place. If you read what I typed you would have seen that.
Hyperbole has been around for years. So I apologize if you just learned about it from Rachel Meadows.
If you really think there are thousands of people freaking out about not masking their kids up outside... well. That's fine. I think that's a complete over statement and feel the majority are either fine with it, or thrilled they don't have to taste their sweat outside.
 

drizgirl

Well-Known Member
I'm not in either camp, except I think both Dr. Fauci and the CDC could have more consistent/clear in their messaging all along, including now.

Two weeks ago, the CDC director was on the air talking about the dangers of the new variants, and how we all needed to keep wearing masks. To me, it sounded too much like Chicken Little. The most recent announcement feels inconsistent.

In my view, public messaging needs to be clear, relatively simple, but ALSO- and this is the key part- the public needs to know the objective. Why is the public being asked to do something?

In my view, a better approach would have been to set a clear goal and clear benchmarks, and how close we were getting to those benchmarks. A better message, in my view, would have been two part. this is just a sample of the type of message they could have said, not actual specific numbers:

We will be able to begin relax the mask mandate - be degrees- when we reach two critical benchmarks:
A. 65% of the population is vaccinated (or some other number)
AND
B. We see national case numbers drop below 10 per 100,000 population. (or some other number).

Please do your part to help us get to these benchmarks, because we are in this together. We are all on the same team.

C. It also feels weird to me that this was relaxed less than a week after 12-15 year olds became eligible to be vaccinated. Relaxing the mask mandate sends a message that 12-15 year olds - as people- do not matter. To me, it would have been better to give that age group a minimum of 2 weeks to get shot #1/partial vaccination.

I think the message would have been all around much stronger if the CDC's message had been more inclusive. It was a missed opportunity, because the message could have been done in such a way that it would have encouraged 12-15 year old to be part of the solution! The message could have been something like WHEN we get 50% of teens vaccinated, then we'll reach our goal of having 65% of the population vaccinated. We are SO close! Help us reach our goal!

And just....well..12-15 years olds are VERY effective at persuaders. Every vaccinated teen has the ability to talk their parents into getting vaccinated. Eager to-be-vaccinated year-olds vs. scared-of-a-little-needle adults.

We could have had a positive message out of this as a way to incentivize reluctant adults.
Despite the fact that I'm happy about the change, I agree that it is more terrible and inconsistent messaging from the CDC. It makes no more sense than the Director's doom and gloom did a couple weeks ago. These wild swings do nothing to engender confidence in our decision makers.

I'd like to have even a reasonable theory about what brought this about in such an abrupt way this week.
 

DisneyDebRob

Well-Known Member
Hyperbole has been around for years. So I apologize if you just learned about it from Rachel Meadows.
If you really think there are thousands of people freaking out about not masking their kids up outside... well. That's fine. I think that's a complete over statement and feel the majority are either fine with it, or thrilled they don't have to taste their sweat outside.
I pulled the plug on my cable 4 years ago. Just had to google the Rachael person. Lol Never saw her nor do I get any cable but local networks. Good try though!
Edit-google says it Maddow by the way
 

Chi84

Premium Member
Despite the fact that I'm happy about the change, I agree that it is more terrible and inconsistent messaging from the CDC. It makes no more sense than the Director's doom and gloom did a couple weeks ago. These wild swings do nothing to engender confidence in our decision makers.

I'd like to have even a reasonable theory about what brought this about in such an abrupt way this week.
I think the CDC was properly criticized for moving too slowly in lifting restrictions and decided to do quickly what should have already been done more gradually.
 

Jrb1979

Well-Known Member
Vaccine passports are practical in very limited circumstances. Walmart can’t practically implement a vaccine passport system for all their stores. That’s not practical.
No but Walmart and businesses like them should have kept masks indoors for everyone til whatever vaccination threshold they deem good. I would feel much better if all parks follow what the California parks are doing in requiring proof of vaccination for entry.
 

Incomudro

Well-Known Member
I respect your opinion but as I said, it’s not all about you and me. Many families feel differently. With the low crowds and masking they may have felt it was ok.
I get that, but I also, well... Don't get that.
I just think differently and can't imagine taking my family to WDW if I felt masks and distancing were the only things protecting them.
But, I never really believed very strongly in the effectiveness of those things under many conditions - as you've probably seen from some of my previous posts.
 

Nickp1983

Well-Known Member
I think the CDC was properly criticized for moving too slowly in lifting restrictions and decided to do quickly what should have already been done more gradually.
I think the larger issue is the cdc trying to do things to encourage people to get vaccinated.
Their slow removal of restrictions caused a great deal of people to say "what's the point of getting vaccinated if I have to act like I haven't been?"

I think they are hoping this encourages people to get it done now. I also think they know that many people who won't wear a mask now, haven't been anyways. No store in my area did anything about it if someone wasn't wearing a mask.

I think there's also a bit of "if we get parents freaked out about their kids being around maskless people, maybe they will get them their shots faster"

I also think there's some other thing at work here... but I'll leave my crazy conspiracy theory to myself
 

ImperfectPixie

Well-Known Member
No but Walmart and businesses like them should have kept masks indoors for everyone til whatever vaccination threshold they deem good. I would feel much better if all parks follow what the California parks are doing in requiring proof of vaccination for entry.
What they've basically done is reward the people who haven't been following the rules from the start and punish (by means of stress) those who have been following the rules.
 

DisneyDebRob

Well-Known Member
I get that, but I also, well... Don't get that.
I just think differently and can't imagine taking my family to WDW if I felt masks and distancing were the only things protecting them.
But, I never really believed very strongly in the effectiveness of those things under many conditions - as you've probably seen from some of my previous posts.
I have.🙂
 

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