se8472 said:
All I am trying to say is that, once again, the everyday guest don't come to watch these shows. They want big awesome rides and Disney has to compete with that. CoP takes up a lot of space and if you combine that with the space that the T-land stage used to be in, I am thinking e-ride!
E-Ride is a gift shop and meet and greet. Have you not heard the plans around management years ago - the plans that CoP, the skyway, and Galaxy Palace would be converted into a GIFT SHOP with a "small attraction?"
I have no confidence in management. Why? Because they don't CARE about what message a new attraction gives. They don't care about substance. They care about budget, and they care about making cash. That's why Stitch's Great Escape is so poor. Not only does it have
nothing to do with Tomorrowland -- it also talks down to kids, scares them, and is mass marketed with two whole gift shops.
Short term, Disney can benefit from a new coaster with thrill fans (which isn't everyone at the Magic Kingdom, by far). But families who repeat their visits to Disney will eventually get the hint that Disney has lost its magic. Its magic in variety, its magic in message, its magic in nostalgia. Then they'll turn away over the years, seeing the $60 dollar tickets and finding Disney nothing but a 1971 Castle with 2025 marketing taking over the park, living off the past and whole land dedicated to an Emporium or pin store. And Six Flags would be no more magical for them. And the joke would be on Disney.
If CoP OR Timekeeper are shut down, I just don't have the confidence that Disney will replace them with E-ticket attractions that (A) fit in the spirit of Tomorrowland or (B) give the same inspiring message the original attractions in these areas did.
On top of that, CoP is the ONLY attraction Walt told his Imagineers to keep. If it closes in Magic Kingdom, it should at least be brought to Epcot or Disneyland. Although I've never seen the ride that empty (I've only heard and seen great reports on these forums - just like there were so little an hour, other reports say the line at CoP was greater than Space one day), I will agree that average audiences could be better.
That's why, for example, Disney should have advertised (instead of closed) Walt Disney's Carousel of Progress on his 100 Years of Magic. (What's this, make an MGM hat with a gift shop underneath and close the ride he wanted open? Sell a few pins and try to kill his message?) That's why the Tomorrowland Transit Authority should actually DESCRIBE the ride - CoP is the only attraction not described. Plus, a great update in CoP would add great reridability. There is great potential to add the 21st century "wow" factor to Carousel of Progress. Let's see what they do over to Disneyland's Tiki Room.
If Tomorrowland wants to be all coasters and Stitch rides, what would happen? The family would no longer be important. Heck, Carousel of Progress is ABOUT family. And, you know, I am always proud when I ride Space Mountain and directly after visit the Hall of Presidents. It makes me proud that Disney has something for everyone - seniors, kids, enthusiasts, parents - and things everyone can experience together. Next to Buzz Lightyear's SpaceRanger Spin is the Carousel of Progress. How cool is that?!
That being said, should Disney want to close CoP again, I'm sure they will hear more protest than what they heard when they closed it in 2001.
se8472 said:
and also grizz, you know he has spoken nothing but the gospel truth there. Anytime someone opens there mouth about taking down a old ride and putting something new in they get attacked....its just how things work here.
I haven't heard anything mass negative about "Wishes" or "Turtle Talk with Crush." So what if some people don't like certain new rides? Some people don't like the old rides either, as demonstrated by the original poster.
