Consensus E-Tickets At the 4 Major Parks

Chef Mickey

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Remove Hall of Presidents, Small World, Spaceship Earth, American Adventure, Star Tours, and Dinosaur IMO. Add Mine Train.
I literally feel like crying when people say remove Spaceship Earth, AA, and Presidents.

Really, AA is NOT an E-Ticket show? The engineering is incredible.

Mine Train borders, but I found it simply too short. If Mine Train is an E Ticket, Slinky is a C ticket.
 

Chef Mickey

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Small World is absolutely an E Ticket for several reasons: It's original. It's lengthy. It has a unique design aesthetic that is present in every AA, set piece, and prop.

Hall of Presidents has 43, highly-detailed, robot presidents and incredible emotional impact.

Spaceship Earth is a massive trip through time with each scene packed with detail and beautiful staging. It is the definition of E Ticket.

American Adventure is a wonder of engineering and technology.

7DMT is a C Ticket that, for some reason, people love. Still, one incredible show scene does not an E Ticket make.
TOTALLY agree. Do you in agree with my entire list of E-Tickets or is there one you'd take off?

You said it best about HoP...the highly detailed and sheer number of animatronics does it for me, same with AA, and SSE.
 

Goofyernmost

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not at all

Overall love or hate for an attraction has nothing to do with it. Budgets, size, scope of the attraction determine status.

Disney, with an eager Eisner, back in the 90's positioned Alien Encounter as an E but too many guests weren't amused.

Half of mankind looked to queue up to Midway Mania early on(yes, sorry about the small exaggeration) but yet Disney acknowledged the attraction was a D like offering.
It was classed and an E because Eisner and others felt that it was going to be a huge draw. It wasn't, so it quickly lost it's E status. However, even though the imagineers still refer to things as an E ticket, it is just what they consider to be a likely reaction to it, however, they have been wrong about that quite often. They do not publicly state that any ride is currently an E or any other number. Internally they might speculate the opinion that it would be hugely popular, but, other then the limited use of tier breakdown for FP.
 

Chef Mickey

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Spaceship Earth is not an E Ticket. The American Adventure isn't either. I would also consider Toy Story Midway Mania and Seven Dwarfs Mine Train E ticket attractions. It's hard to judge these things because as technology develops, we must update our standards for an E Ticket. It's A Small World, The Haunted Mansion, Pirates of the Caribbean and Hall of Presidents are not E Ticket rides in my book.
With all the detail, lighting, theming, Audio Animatronics, engineering, story, etc...can you explain why you wouldn't consider the AA or SSE E-Tickets? They certainly have more detail than Midway Mania (which is essentially a computer game on screens) and Mine Train, which was clearly a victim of budget cuts.

Have you learned how American Adventure really works? It's absolutely incredible.
 

geekza

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TOTALLY agree. Do you in agree with my entire list of E-Tickets or is there one you'd take off?

You said it best about HoP...the highly detailed and sheer number of animatronics does it for me, same with AA, and SSE.
I agree with all of them with a light disagree on Test Track. I feel like Test Track had the ambition of an E Ticket, but is more of a D+ Ticket in execution. It's not one that I would vehemently argue against, though.
 

Chef Mickey

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That's where we disagree. Technology is only a tool. The overall experience is more important than the tools used to create it.
HM, Pirates, and SSE have almost no tech and are the quintessential E-Tickets I miss at Disney. The story, large scale, lighting, care put into each scene, are just things we don't see anymore. Just look how many props/effects something like HM has in total. It's incredible how much detail there is even after literally riding probably 1,000 times.
 

Damon7777

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Spaceship Earth is not an E Ticket. The American Adventure isn't either. I would also consider Toy Story Midway Mania and Seven Dwarfs Mine Train E ticket attractions. It's hard to judge these things because as technology develops, we must update our standards for an E Ticket. It's A Small World, The Haunted Mansion, Pirates of the Caribbean and Hall of Presidents are not E Ticket rides in my book.


Your entire post borders on crazy talk.
 

geekza

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It was classed and an E because Eisner and others felt that it was going to be a huge draw. It wasn't, so it quickly lost it's E status. However, even though the imagineers still refer to things as an E ticket, it is just what they consider to be a likely reaction to it, however, they have been wrong about that quite often. They do not publicly state that any ride is currently an E or any other number. Internally they might speculate the opinion that it would be hugely popular, but, other then the limited use of tier breakdown for FP.
I think Alien Encounter was absolutely an E Ticket, but it was one that really didn't click for a large percentage of guests. What it did, it did extremely well and there was great attention to detail in its design. I look at it like a Cult Film. For some of us, it was a classic, but it was certainly not for everyone and I totally understand that opinion.
 

justintheharris

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I really disagree with every one of your assessments, respectfully.

Pirates and HM are E-Tickets. Theming, detail, queues, pre show in Mansion, re-rideability.

Midway Mania is bordering E-Ticket, but it's essentially a screen ride...not a lot of detail or ambition.

Spaceship Earth is an E-Ticket for the same reason HM is an E-Ticket. The detail, the amount of Animatronics, the story, theme, etc.

The American Adventure is TOTALLY an E-Ticket. The amount of engineering in that show, the music, the story, all the animatronic figures. Just for how it works, it's an E-Ticket. The budget was something like $60M in the 1980s. Same with Presidents.
Alright I'll do some reevaluation:
Haunted Mansion is an E ticket. You're right. It still holds up even with technology that hasn't received much of an update since 1971.

Pirates of the Caribbean.... I feel that political correctness took it's toll and the IP placement also hurts my enjoyment of the ride (if the animatronic isn't Jack Sparrow, IT WONT SHUT UP ABOUT HIM!). And when you compare it to the one in Disneyland, I personally couldn't care about Pirates of the Caribbean. I shouldn't let my personal opinions affect these things but I've really come to think that the Pirates of the Caribbean in WDW could be benefit from a complete scrap and rebuild.

In the case of Toy Story Midway Mania, I think that the new queue and the overall competitive aspect of it makes it an E ticket ride. Since you say it's "bordering E-ticket," I guess we don't have too much disagreement other than I believe it crosses the line into E-ticket territory.

Spaceship Earth I think is dated and isn't as entertaining as Haunted Mansion. It's due to receive an overhaul which I interpret as Disney believing it's dated as well. At a time, I would've considered it an E ticket attraction. In 2018, I would take it out of that category.

I'll admit I haven't see the American Adventure in a little while (maybe a year?) but... maybe it's just me but animatronics don't do much for me. They're cool for sure and help an experience but I just don't see it as immediate grounds for an E ticket attraction.
 

Chef Mickey

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I agree with all of them with a light disagree on Test Track. I feel like Test Track had the ambition of an E Ticket, but is more of a D+ Ticket in execution. It's not one that I would vehemently argue against, though.
Today, I would agree Test Track 2.0 is a D ticket. I was thinking from the original Test Track perspective. I would definitely consider that an E-Ticket, particularly at the time it was built. It was pretty ambitious and actually had a theme that taught you something about testing cars.
 

danyoung56

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HM, Pirates, and SSE have almost no tech...

I'm not sure how you could say that any of these rides "have almost no tech". They all make extensive use of Audio Animatronics, and also have pretty cool methods of transporting people through the attractions. To me that's a lot of tech!
 

geekza

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HM, Pirates, and SSE have almost no tech and are the quintessential E-Tickets I miss at Disney. The story, large scale, lighting, care put into each scene, are just things we don't see anymore. Just look how many props/effects something like HM has in total. It's incredible how much detail there is even after literally riding probably 1,000 times.
When you consider the amount of merchandise created around it since 1969 along with the number of words written about it on a consistent basis since its opening, I'd say it's perhaps the biggest E Ticket of all time.
 

geekza

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I'm not sure how you could say that any of these rides "have almost no tech". They all make extensive use of Audio Animatronics, and also have pretty cool methods of transporting people through the attractions. To me that's a lot of tech!
Especially since some of that tech is over a hundred years old and still has a lot of people having no idea how certain effects are pulled off.

Paint is just a tool, and an ancient one at that. Its value is in how it is used. ;)
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Chef Mickey

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Alright I'll do some reevaluation:
Haunted Mansion is an E ticket. You're right. It still holds up even with technology that hasn't received much of an update since 1971.

Pirates of the Caribbean.... I feel that political correctness took it's toll and the IP placement also hurts my enjoyment of the ride (if the animatronic isn't Jack Sparrow, IT WONT SHUT UP ABOUT HIM!). And when you compare it to the one in Disneyland, I personally couldn't care about Pirates of the Caribbean. I shouldn't let my personal opinions affect these things but I've really come to think that the Pirates of the Caribbean in WDW could be benefit from a complete scrap and rebuild.

In the case of Toy Story Midway Mania, I think that the new queue and the overall competitive aspect of it makes it an E ticket ride. Since you say it's "bordering E-ticket," I guess we don't have too much disagreement other than I believe it crosses the line into E-ticket territory.

Spaceship Earth I think is dated and isn't as entertaining as Haunted Mansion. It's due to receive an overhaul which I interpret as Disney believing it's dated as well. At a time, I would've considered it an E ticket attraction. In 2018, I would take it out of that category.

I'll admit I haven't see the American Adventure in a little while (maybe a year?) but... maybe it's just me but animatronics don't do much for me. They're cool for sure and help an experience but I just don't see it as immediate grounds for an E ticket attraction.
Glad you agree on HM now...it's my favorite ride anyway. :D Even with my bias, it's definitely an E-Ticket.

Pre Jack Sparrow Pirates was Definitely better than the new one, but I don't think it removes it from E-Ticket status, particularly since we agree on HM. It's very similar in its detail and storytelling ability. Scene after scene of detail, music, audio, script, etc.

If you ever get a chance, watch the documentary on how the American Adventure was built. The way the characters come in and out of each scene, silently, is truly an engineering masterpiece. It's a heartfelt story of American history from beginning to end, is in a beautiful theater, and has a wonderful script. Starting from nothing, just think how much time and effort went into making that a physical reality.

SSE is similar to Haunted Mansion for me. Since it's so detail with physical scenes, painstaking effort went into each scene of the ride, script, etc. I agree it does need some TLC to the later scenes, but its message is still relevant and powerful.

TSMM is definitely the best in TSL, but the fact it was basically done on a computer makes it fall short of the other E-Tickets (for me). I can see why people would like it, but it relies too much on technology for me. I really enjoy it, it's a lot of fun, but just doesn't have the scale and grand feel of E-Tickets I know from Disney.
 

Chef Mickey

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I'm not sure how you could say that any of these rides "have almost no tech". They all make extensive use of Audio Animatronics, and also have pretty cool methods of transporting people through the attractions. To me that's a lot of tech!
Tech is there, of course, but it's old tech which is what I mean by "almost no tech." New tech would be FOP or TSMM that uses projectors and gimmicks to avoid building physical worlds and practical effects. Star Wars used Tech, but they used a lot of real models, costumes, etc to make it seem more real.

Each scene is SSE had to be physically designed, written for, wardrobe, lighting, characters, details, etc.
 

justintheharris

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Glad you agree on HM now...it's my favorite ride anyway. :D Even with my bias, it's definitely an E-Ticket.

Pre Jack Sparrow Pirates was Definitely better than the new one, but I don't think it removes it from E-Ticket status, particularly since we agree on HM. It's very similar in its detail and storytelling ability. Scene after scene of detail, music, audio, script, etc.

If you ever get a chance, watch the documentary on how the American Adventure was built. The way the characters come in and out of each scene, silently, is truly an engineering masterpiece. It's a heartfelt story of American history from beginning to end, is in a beautiful theater, and has a wonderful script. Starting from nothing, just think how much time and effort went into making that a physical reality.

SSE is similar to Haunted Mansion for me. Since it's so detail with physical scenes, painstaking effort went into each scene of the ride, script, etc. I agree it does need some TLC to the later scenes, but its message is still relevant and powerful.

TSMM is definitely the best in TSL, but the fact it was basically done on a computer makes it fall short of the other E-Tickets (for me). I can see why people would like it, but it relies too much on technology for me. I really enjoy it, it's a lot of fun, but just doesn't have the scale and grand feel of E-Tickets I know from Disney.

I think the change in the auction scene is also incredibly distracting though for Pirates of the Caribbean. Maybe when Spaceship Earth receives its next update, I'll reevaulate it. It's still a little too 80s ish for me.
Ah! Since you mentioned it, I'll bring up an interesting point of view I hold that many people disagree with me on. "relies too much on technology" is what I would say about Flight of Passage. Right now it's probably the greatest ride on Disney property. But in 20 years, when technology has eclipsed the technology used in FOP, will it still be an E ticket ride? There isn't too much of a story there nor any particular characters to connect with. What will keep FOP relevant at Disney when its technology fails to do so? Is the sheer beauty of the exterior of the ride enough?
 

geekza

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Forgive me, never been to WDW before, what Etickets are you talking about?
Until the opening of EPCOT Center in 1982, both Disneyland and WDW used tickets for rides. In addition to your admission, which was much lower, in order to ride most things you had to buy a ticket book. Attractions were ranked from A-E, with E being the top-tier, can't miss attraction. You got more A tickets in a ticket book than E tickets, so you used your E tickets sparingly because you knew you'd need to buy more ticket books if you wanted to ride one of those attractions multiple times. Although the tickets are long gone, the designation is still used by Disney fans to rank attractions.
 

Myturn2golf

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Thanks for the explanation. I think it's terrible that you have to spend so much time planning which rides to reserve first in your FastPass+. Then when you go and try to reserve some they're no longer available. Very annoying!! Seems like Universal has a better system from what I've read.
 

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